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Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 30, 2019, 7:07 PM
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Why do ardent supporters of capitalism support a socialist approach to football?
People are paid equally, not by skill, capability, or opportunity. That's socialism.
Let capitalism work. Pay market value. Will defensive ends and left tackles get more? QBs? Sure, look at the NFL.
Or instead, if it's an issue for a player to drive a Ferrari because he's good at sports, go true socialism where no student can drive a Ferrari because others can't.
Now, do you have mechanisms to try to get parity? Not sure how. Will certain teams be like Manchester United or the Yankees? Sure, but don't we already have that?
Now, what will Dani do in this new world? That question concerns me a bit. Can his culture work or will he shift somehow?
My 2 cents.
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 30, 2019, 7:11 PM
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I am all about capitalism. Unfortunately, I do not think Clemson can compete in this environment. I don’t think turn IPTAY into IPMAY. I Pay a Million A Year.
Let the recruiting bidding wars commence.
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 30, 2019, 7:30 PM
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In my mind this essentially killed college athletics
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Why don't we wait and see how it plays out
Oct 31, 2019, 11:01 AM
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before we pronounce CFB dead.
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What are some solutions to this NCAA Pandora’s Box?
Oct 30, 2019, 7:12 PM
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One of the obvious big problems is how do you keep Mr. Big Doner Deeppockets from dropping a boatload of bitcoin on a player at his favorite school?
Do you limit payments to a “nominal value?” Put a maximum dollar amount an individual may make and a maximum a player may receive in a year? What about “equality” across a team, conference, entire NCAA? I can see an OG saying “I’m not going to pass block for you Mr. Star QB unless you give me 10% of what you get!” System is going to be fraught with peril.
Or, how about a system where no money goes directly to a player? You could have all “payments” go to a school for distribution to all players. Or to a conference for distribution to all member teams for subsequent distribution to all players.
Better yet, all funds go directly to the NCAA for distribution to all teams equally (Div I, II, and III) for dole out to each player.
Just my thoughts.
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Re: What are some solutions to this NCAA Pandora’s Box?
Oct 30, 2019, 11:40 PM
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Yeah, I think that’s the NCAA’s angle. All $$$ goes through them. Cha-ching! They’ve never been about athletes, always about $$$.
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Well players are already being paid in creative ways now
Oct 31, 2019, 11:04 AM
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I've heard stories about casino chips, cryptos, rigged online heads up poker matches, and all kinds of other creative solutions to get money from boosters to players/recruits.
Maybe less will change than people think.
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HaHa. Dabo, not Dani....autocorrect***
Oct 30, 2019, 7:19 PM
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It is a funny juxtaposition
Oct 30, 2019, 7:23 PM
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As we put in salary caps in America.
Yet in Europe where they have more “socialist” governments, it’s the opposite in their sports. They have no salary cap whatsoever in soccer and clubs like Real Madrid, Manchester United and Barcelona crush the little guy year after year.
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Re: It is a funny juxtaposition
Oct 30, 2019, 7:41 PM
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It’s a contractual agreement the student athletes enter in to, freely. There is an exchange of value. Nobody is forced to sign, they have freedom of choice.
Baseball is downsizing their minor leagues. Not a good time to try to start nba and nfl “minor leagues” which would pay peanuts and fold trying to compare to what a college like Clemson can facilitate.
Should we open up free market capitalism for HS sports? Middle school? Rec leagues? Why stop at college(which will eventually kill college athletics all together)?
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If they want to pursue football as a potential career do
Oct 31, 2019, 11:13 AM
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they really have a choice? Seeing as there is no viable alternative, i think the answer to that question is no.
And that exchange of value is currently very one-sided. The school gets a vehicle to make millions of dollars and the athlete gets an education that's value varies tremendously by school and from person to person. A Stanford education is worth a lot more than an Alabama education. A degree is also worth a lot more to a career reserve who's probably never going to sniff the pros than to a sure-fire high draft pick that's practically guaranteed to at least make millions of dollars on a rookie contract.
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go play semi pro football or xfl
Oct 30, 2019, 7:32 PM
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If you want to get paid. Who fills the stadium? Without the school attached to the program what would the attendance be?
Without the school there is no money to get paid. all these pro football start ups, fail with better talent. It is the school that makes these program viable. Without the school and the fan base all these programs fail.
South Carolina gets 75,000 in the stands with a historic 6-5 record. The school fills the stands not the players
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Nothing prevents a player from playing by whatever
Oct 30, 2019, 7:57 PM
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rules exist to play in the NFL, from playing in the NFL. They can sign a contract with a manager and nike and wait till they are 21 to play. It's their choice, they are not required to play college football.
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I agree with you, with one caveat.
Oct 30, 2019, 8:28 PM
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Do away with the NCAA. Do away with tying scholarships and colleges with the football programs. Let the NFL and the NBA set up their own minor leagues and pay the players, just like baseball. If a kid wants to turn pro after leaving high school, then he should not be required to go through the sham of having to attend college as well as playing a pro sport.
Create another league (XFL, NFL Europe, whatever) and let kids sign endorsement deals with anybody they want to and will pay them.)
Just don't call it "college athletics."
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Easy capitalism answer here. Minor League.
Oct 30, 2019, 11:34 PM
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No program is forced to be an NCAA member. It's a collective agreement. Aspiring football players matriculating out of high school (already a pro forum for that level in the IMG's of the world) aren't forced to go on to enroll and play college ball. The status today is a factor of the free market at play. Sure - the options aren't great, but maybe little known high school kids that no one recognizes outside their community and the recruiting nuts aren't that big of a draw on their own.
As for NIL compensation, I'd like to see something based on varsity lettering that's divvied up across the board. Bring back Madden. Shoot - all the proceeds from that could go to a players fund if that's what it takes. Other methods should be regulated and pooled among the Power 5 programs, G5's, and so on. Make it easier for these kids to enjoy the college experience with some extra funds, relish in the exposure, without jeopardizing that other socialism bugaboo - team.
I hope the NCAA takes a conservative approach, and similarly hope that the NFL will pony up for a minor league set-up that can offer an alternative for those seeking that path.
Go Tigers.
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 30, 2019, 11:40 PM
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If I remember correctly, years ago it was communist countries that paid amateur athletes. How do you have socialist or capitalist football with amateur athletics?
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 31, 2019, 12:07 AM
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There's nothing socialist about preferring amateurism, or at least the pretense of it. Now if you want to go socialist we should allow the players to make as much as possible individually and then force them to collectivize all earnings to be distributed equally among all players in any collegiate sport. The person actually earning the money shouldn't get to keep any more of it than the person who actually earned none. Can't imagine why nobody thinks that would be a great idea since its so appealing and motivating.
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 31, 2019, 12:07 AM
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There's nothing socialist about preferring amateurism, or at least the pretense of it. Now if you want to go socialist we should allow the players to make as much as possible individually and then force them to collectivize all earnings to be distributed equally among all players in any collegiate sport. The person actually earning the money shouldn't get to keep any more of it than the person who actually earned none. Can't imagine why nobody thinks that would be a great idea since its so appealing and motivating.
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Re: Socialist football in capitalist country
Oct 31, 2019, 12:23 AM
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Congratulations.
You just agreed with the Communist Bloc about the competition in the Olympic Games. Who wants to let amateur athletes represent their country when you can scheme a way to get professionals to do it and therefore gain a secret edge?
Why didn't Sweet Pea Whitaker ever fight Mike Tyson?
Why doesn't Clemson schedule the Miami Dolphins next year to beef up our schedule?
OTOH, why are we limited to only one FCS game per year in football but not basketball?
The answers are all the same: the agencies that govern the various sports are all trying to maintain a competitive balance. Everybody is looking for an edge to give their team before the game that will carry over into the competition itself. Well, money is the ultimate edge. It makes Ostarine obsolete.
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"let capitalism work"
Oct 31, 2019, 7:30 AM
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Said man from rich nation who doesn't understand socialism.
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"Let's try socialism."
Oct 31, 2019, 10:41 AM
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Said man from rich country who doesn't understand economics or human nature.
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