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Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:47 PM
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if he believes that bringing in transfers will ruin it.
If the culture he has built is as wonderful and strong as we say it is, some new faces from the portal won’t be able to tear it apart.
Just my $0.02.
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Oh look, it's JK helping Brad with his jumpshot...
Dec 5, 2022, 8:49 PM
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LOL, I wonder who TD'd this post? Perhaps someone that has
Dec 6, 2022, 9:11 AM
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you on ignore so that they don't have to see your shoddy quality posts?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Dabo built "THE" culture. I will say if he needs advice on bringing in a new team every year through the portal to be mediocre he doesnt have to walk very far.
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That’s great, but that has nothing to do with my post.***
Dec 5, 2022, 9:15 PM
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Cobbox on Brad Brownell: “His only problem is he has to deal
Dec 5, 2022, 9:22 PM
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with turd fans questioning every move he makes.”
DABO WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS.
Brownlee makes a doorknob seem charismatic.
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Re: That’s great, but that has nothing to do with my post.***
Dec 5, 2022, 9:24 PM
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JK has 36 observant people on ignore to avoid scrutiny or challenge, yet still his pulse continues to fall.
Why would a loyal Clemson man receive such intense rebuke?
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Re: That’s great, but that has nothing to do with my post.***
Dec 6, 2022, 12:20 AM
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Your post has nothing to do with basketball, Judge. Stay in your lane. Football built Clemson and Frank Howard, Ford and Dabo built football here.
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I’m a Clemson football fan and posted on the football board.
Dec 6, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Deal with it.
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She is nothing of the sort.
Dec 6, 2022, 9:44 AM
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This one is a bitter biddy who can't stand the joy that Clemson football and its fans have enjoyed over the past decade while Brad and basketball have struggled. She pins the dwindling crowds and fan support for Bradsketball on our football program becoming even more popular over that stretch (not, of course, on Brad's failures to grow the program), and is euphoric when we face adversity there. She seizes on any negative narrative around the football program and expounds on it with OPs and comments such as this, regularly, needling and needling away in the hopes of souring the mood and successes there. Like the classic Russian approach - if you can't rise up to their level, do everything you can to help bring them down to yours.
The worst thing is she may actually be an alum. Misery loves company, though, so yeah, we gotta deal with it.
Go Tigers.
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No wonder the board voted to remove this trollette from the board. The fact that she hasn't makes you wonder if she's not on the payroll.
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Dec 5, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Get back on Brownlee's teet
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You don’t sound very confident in the culture either.***
Dec 5, 2022, 9:15 PM
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Based on what?***
Dec 6, 2022, 8:03 AM
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Based on what appears to be an issue with my post.
Dec 6, 2022, 9:06 AM
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No reasonable Clemson fan should have a problem with what I posted.
If our culture is as strong as we believe it is, we should have confidence that transfers won’t ruin it.
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Re: Based on what appears to be an issue with my post.
Dec 6, 2022, 9:16 AM
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That is only one piece of it. There simply aren’t as many players available in the portal as there are coming out of HS each year. The you have to factor in position needs, if the player wants to come here, and then does he fit the culture. Mack Brown mentioned having to look at transcripts. That is another factor. Does the player have the grades to get in Clemson and stay eligible. We all know how Dabo feels about graduation rates of his players and I support that. All of these things have to be considered and each one of them reduces the pool of guys available from the portal.
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Re: Based on what appears to be an issue with my post.
Dec 6, 2022, 9:23 AM
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I doubt he is concerned about a few new faces tearing apart the culture here. But why would anyone want to bring in even one guy that you think might have a good chance of spending a lot of time in the love shack. Wouldn’t that be an even bigger waste of a scholarship than giving it to a Daniel walk-on?? Bringing in a guy that you expect to have disciplinary issues is poor roster management. Has nothing to do with losing our culture. Big stretch there Scooter.
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Based on his previous comments, Dabo seems to
Dec 6, 2022, 10:31 AM
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be making generalizations about players in the transfer portal.
Assuming that all, or even most, of the players in the portal are quitters, behavior problems, or me-first types is a very dangerous assumption to make.
I don't view our players who have entered the portal as being bad guys. Rather, they are just wanting a better situation for themselves. It's logical to assume that there are plenty of other good guys out there entering the portal from other programs.
I'm not advocating for taking players with bad attitudes. I'm advocating for not making generalizations and assumptions about players in the portal, and instead looking at them with an open mind and a confidence in the great culture Dabo has built.
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Re: Based on his previous comments, Dabo seems to
Dec 6, 2022, 2:07 PM
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And yet you blatantly push the generalization that Dabo isn’t using the portal because he thinks it will spoil our culture. Right.
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Are you arguing that Dabo isn’t concerned about our culture?***
Dec 6, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Fear the Culture!
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Dec 6, 2022, 11:30 AM
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Culture sucks, huh troll?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:50 PM
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True. If vetted, what is the difference between a high school senior and a transfer?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:55 PM
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Bingo
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Dec 5, 2022, 8:50 PM
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Get back on Brownlee's teet
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It’s sad how sensitive you are about Dabo and Clemson football.***
Dec 6, 2022, 9:07 AM
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I'm sensitive to your stupidity***
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:51 PM
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Stick to basketball.
Message was edited by: lthom022®
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:52 PM
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Personally, I think part of it is players cutting the line. Dabo is a loyal guy. If he recruits a kid and the kid buys in and does everything asked of him then someone comes in from the portal and steps in front of him, not good. Dabo wants to have some standards unlike places like UGA where it’s win at all cost.
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I think that’s probably part of it for Dabo.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:19 PM
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I don’t think it’s fair to say that Georgia doesn’t have standards. They would say that their standard is that the best players will play, and that nothing is promised other than a chance to compete.
Dabo says the same thing, but he seems to think that bringing in a transfer is unfair to those players already on the team.
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Re: I think that’s probably part of it for Dabo.
Dec 5, 2022, 10:49 PM
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Probably true but I definitely don’t think the same loyalty is there at UGA. I think that program is ran completely differently.
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I think it's a big deal if he's essentially closed his mind
Dec 6, 2022, 10:34 AM
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to using the transfer portal to add meaningful contributors to our team.
The last two years have shown that we could've used some help.
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Change to .04 ....
Dec 5, 2022, 8:52 PM
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inflation has hit that too
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Ha ha, so true.***
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:52 PM
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I believe what we have is fine and that the portal should just be every blue moon.
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I think it’s fine for now if we are cool winning 10 games
Dec 5, 2022, 9:21 PM
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and being a tier or two behind the elite teams.
Not using the transfer portal to address needs puts us at a disadvantage, and it will put us even farther behind as more players transfer out.
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Re: I think it’s fine for now if we are cool winning 10 games
Dec 5, 2022, 9:44 PM
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Some really good stuff in this post for one that cares about not only football, but also seeing young men succeed in life.
But this OP is simply another blunt instrument for another failed troll.
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Re: I think it’s fine for now if we are cool winning 10 games
Dec 24, 2020, 12:21 PM
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I don't think that the portal will help us even wanting an undefeated season, aside from every blue moon. A piece here and there maybe. Meh. Its overrated. You want to convince someone to believe in the process, yet you put a transfer ahead of him. You blew it. The portal isn't what made Georgia great this year. The portal is way overrated.
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I'm not saying that the portal is a magic fix
Dec 6, 2022, 10:37 AM
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but it is a great way to add experienced talent to a position that maybe has some recruiting misses, developmental failures, or injuries.
The bread and butter should absolutely be getting high school recruits and developing them. We are still getting those recruits, but it seems that we are not developing them as well as we used to. Plus, we are losing players to the portal.
At some point, it becomes a roster management issue. We can only sign so many high school recruits and walk-ons to fill our allotment of scholarships, and those guys aren't typically ready to immediately contribute.
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Re: I think it’s fine for now if we are cool winning 10 games
Dec 5, 2022, 11:09 PM
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How many games has bama won this year using the portal? Or lsu? Or Florida? Or Tennessee?. Or etc, etc? Not as many as Clemson, so far, anyway.
Not saying we could defeat these teams, just saying they haven’t won as many games as Clemson.
What is the ratio of transfers per win, I wonder?
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Transfer players are just part of it.
Dec 6, 2022, 10:41 AM
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I would argue that teams who get transfer players who play meaningful snaps almost certainly increased their win total.
Don't you think a couple of good transfer WRs, a talented player or two in the secondary, and an offensive lineman or two from the portal last year might've helped us win another game? That was the difference between making the playoffs this year and missing the playoffs (again).
It's arrogant to think that the players on our team are automatically better than some of the players in the portal. I get it, the ideal is to recruit high school stars, develop them, and have them stay 3-4 years and be big contributors. Many of those guys don't pan out, for one reason or another. Some of them leave to go elsewhere. Why not be for the portal?!?
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Re: I think it’s fine for now if we are cool winning 10 games
Dec 6, 2022, 12:24 AM
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I would settle on winning 20 games in basketball every year at Clemson and making the tournament and being second tier, Judge. But we have Brownell's culture so I guess that will not happen.
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Bringing up basketball in a football thread
Dec 6, 2022, 10:43 AM
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makes you look weak.
You are showing an inability to discuss football issues because it makes you uncomfortable. Why is that?
If you're taking this personally, you might have an unhealthy relationship with football.
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Re: Bringing up basketball in a football thread
Dec 6, 2022, 3:51 PM
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makes you look weak.
You are showing an inability to discuss football issues because it makes you uncomfortable. Why is that?
If you're taking this personally, you might have an unhealthy relationship with football.
Says the person with the continuous jealousy shots at our football program....
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What do you consider elite?
Dec 6, 2022, 10:44 AM
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Whatever we're ranked?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 8:57 PM
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You just say dumb things to get clicks. There is no other rationale. None.
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What is dumb about what I said?
Dec 5, 2022, 9:23 PM
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Either we have a strong culture or we don’t.
If a few transfers from other places hurt our culture, it wasn’t that great to begin with, was it?
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the troll princess is baaaaack.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:01 PM
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Re: the troll princess is baaaaack.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:07 PM
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Go back to selling dry goods.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 9:06 PM
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So folks understand the process:
-JK sees a post on Clemson culture. -JK strikes up a strawman post himself under false premise calling Clemson culture and Dabo’s confidence in his team into question.
-JK sees a post about a Greyout celebrating the life of Ella Bresee. -JK uses the tragedy to create a strawman post for mocking it and the hypocrisy of Clemson fans for supporting the effort.
-JK sees a post critical of Will Shipley’s intensity. -JK creates a post claiming white supremacist Clemson fans in the stands won’t appreciate criticism of white players.
https://makeameme.org/meme/d63ee53a21
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Poor Judge Keller.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:52 PM
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I'd be happy to offer her a sympathy TU for this one (it's that bad) if her precious didn't have me on ignore, as it won't count.
The relentless Dabo and Clemson football fan trolling is one thing, but the colossally bad takes on almost anything Clemson athletics related is a whole other story.
For her sake I hope we have a really great year in hoops. It must be maddening to be so close to seeing our football program tank as she thought only to have us win yet another ACC championship, go for a 12th win in the Orange Bowl in a few weeks, land another Top 10 recruiting class, look to have a Dude at QB for next season, and, oh yeah, sport the 5th best record in the game in a down year heading into the postseason. At least she'll still have the SCar game to fall back on for the next year if Brad doesn't deliver.
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In most cases, he can get better players out of highschool
Dec 5, 2022, 9:09 PM
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Most transfers are not as good as our starters
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This attitude that we are too talented to benefit from transfer portal players is arrogant.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:27 PM
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It’s also dangerous.
Based on recruiting rankings, we have excellent wide receivers. They didn’t play like it this year or last year though.
Don’t you think a couple of good receivers from the portal could’ve helped? Because I do.
The same could be said for offensive line and secondary.
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Total BS
Dec 5, 2022, 9:35 PM
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Alabama had three starters on this year’s team from ACC schools.
It’s not always about starters. There’s quality depth needed as well. If you can bring in a kid that has already played some meaningful snaps at another top tier program he is well ahead of a high school kid coming in.
Did you see Florida state this year? That’s a team full of transfer players.
Did you see South Carolina this year? A lot of transfer players.
Tennessee? A lot of transfer a players, including they’re amazing quarterback.
Oh yeah, that LSU team that kicked our butt in the national championship game? That team had starters everywhere from the portal! Almost all of them ended up drafted by the NFL.
I think people like you hear people saying this, including Dabo, and think it’s accurate. But it’s not. And it doesn’t take much effort to realize it’s a big fat lie!
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That’s total nonsense.
Dec 6, 2022, 4:33 AM
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Joe Burrow wasn't a transfer?
That team had a bunch of transfer players. That team wasn’t built on recruiting. They came out of nowhere and then collapsed because it wasn’t recruiting and developing players. It was the portal.
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Joe Burrow was a transfer, but that was before the…
Dec 6, 2022, 6:43 AM
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portal. But let’s forget the portal, since there is only one player that meets that criteria (which you established), and look at transfers in general. Here is a list of LSU’s starting lineup for the 2020 NC game, along with the college they started their football careers at out of high school. If they transferred, the year they came to LSU is listed, along with the school they transferred from.
Offense: LT 77 Saahdiq Charles (LSU) LG 73 Adrian Magee (LSU) C 79 Lloyd Cushenberry III (LSU) RG 68 Damien Lewis (Northwest Mississippi 2018) RT 76 Austin Deculus ((LSU) TE 81 Thaddeus Moss (NC State 2017) WR 1 Ja’Marr Chase (LSU) WR 6T Terrace Marshall, Jr. (LSU) WR 2 Justin Jefferson (LSU) QB 9 Joe Burrow (Ohio State 2018) RB 22 Clyde Edwards-Helaire (LSU) Defense: NICK 5 Kary Vincent (LSU) DE 97 Glen Logan (LSU) NT 72 Tyler Shelvin (LSU) DE 90 Rashard Lawrence (LSU) OLB 18 K’Lavon Chaisson (LSU) MLB 8 Patrick Queen (LSU) MLB 6 Jacob Phillips (LSU) CB 1C Kristian Fulton (LSU) S 7 Grant Delpit (LSU) S 3 JaCoby Stevens (LSU) CB 24 Derek Stingley, Jr. (LSU)
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Don't let facts get in the way of a good straw man argument***
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 9:13 PM
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Actually just the opposite. He has a very high confidence in our culture because of our selectivity whether it is portal or HS.
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How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Dec 5, 2022, 9:28 PM
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Not too well if we want to play for national championships.
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Re: How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Dec 5, 2022, 9:45 PM
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So it is national championship or bust?
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Re: How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Dec 5, 2022, 9:59 PM
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Her 'overachieving' boo Brad can't even make it past an ACC quarterfinal game, once, in 12 years, and he is as good as it's gonna get for Clemson basketball by her measure. So no, she does not believe in any way that every season is national championship or bust in football. She just knows that Clemson football fans are frustrated with the near miss this season so she's taking every opportunity to needle while the wound is still fresh.
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Considering our talent level and investment
Dec 6, 2022, 10:55 AM
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in football at Clemson, we should be competing for the national championship.
We haven't been in the playoffs the last two years. That's underachieving based on the advantages we have as a program.
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Re: How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Dec 5, 2022, 10:25 PM
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Our total talent index had us as the 5th best team in the country. We’re currently 7th and likely to finish +/- 1 place of our talent ranking after the bowl game. I’d say he’s doing just fine.
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Re: How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Dec 6, 2022, 7:49 AM
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Dabo has been in 6 CFPs, Judge. How many NCAA tournament appearances has Brownell been in in 13 years.
She won't answer.....
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No one is discounting Dabo's outstanding accomplishments.
Dec 6, 2022, 10:56 AM
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But at some point, you have to acknowledge that those accomplishments are in the past, and look at the current situation.
The current situation is that we have missed the playoffs two years in a row. Are you okay with that, simply because we won the national championship several years ago?
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Insulting those with special needs? Really?***
Dec 6, 2022, 10:57 AM
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Excellent response, tfl85. Not what JK was looking for,
Dec 6, 2022, 11:42 AM
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though, and her response to you here illustrates perfectly the troll and disingenuous nature of her posting.
You clearly, succinctly, and civilly rebutted her OP premise of Dabo being insecure about the culture he's built here being negatively affected by utilizing the portal, due to his adherence to 'best is the standard' when it comes to the character and intestinal fortitude of who he brings in, regardless of the route. Instead of countering on the 'insecure' point, which is the topic and take she introduced with the OP, she opts to pivot to a negative take on an unrelated issue with her response. And why would that be? Because she's not interested in the slightest of whether what she opened with is accurate or not, and cares not to engage in a meaningful dialog on it. It was simply a way to needle the program and its fans, and a set-up to ferret out opportunities for further needling throughout.
Go Tigers.
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Serious question.
Dec 5, 2022, 9:14 PM
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I see a pickle in a jar. Will it crawl out?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 9:26 PM
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I tend to agree. As long as they want to come here and are good fits, I don't see why Dabo shouldn't bring in 3-4 guys who can help us.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 9:29 PM
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Lecturing Dabo on how to create a Dabo culture. You've outdone yourself.
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Relax, no one is lecturing Dabo.
Dec 6, 2022, 10:59 AM
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No one is telling him how to create a culture. He's done a great job of that.
But I believe that he's lacking confidence in that culture if he believes that transfer players are bad apples who will ruin it.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 9:34 PM
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Or instead of the false narratives and realities you like to craft, how about we review Dabo’s more recent comments on the matter.
Doesn’t sound like he’s concerned about culture. It sounds like he cares about the lives of young men.
"It's crazy, it's really sad to be honest with you. There's right around 2,000 kids in the portal and most of them don't have anywhere to go. There's so much tampering going on and so many adults manipulating young people. It's sad, but you know, it it what it is from that standpoint. You've got a lot of young people that ... there's a time and a place, but most of the kids are in there when they shouldn't be in there. "Some are and some shouldn't. Some of the lessons we're teaching young people I don't think is going to benefit them well as they move through their life. It is something everybody has to manage and deal with. There's no consequences. There's no rules. I'm all for transferring. I personally think we should let them go whenever they want. I just think they should sit a year and then you get that year back upon graduation. What we've done is decentivize and devalue education and I think that's the wrong approach."
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Rationalizations and justifications
Dec 6, 2022, 4:38 AM
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Dabo is talking out of his ###
This program has dropped off over the last three years and everyone can see it except brainwashed people on Tigernet.
All the programs we are competing with are using the portal. And all of the elite programs ahead of us are out recruiting us as well.
Not one person on this forum has advocated for Dabo getting dozens of players, like other programs, out of the portal each year. But a handful can come in and make huge contributions. And if you think a handful of players from the portal is going to ruin our culture then I’m sorry that culture is worthless.
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Re: Rationalizations and justifications
Dec 6, 2022, 9:36 AM
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A few won’t ruin the culture. The premise of the OP is false.
I think it more likely that you think Dabo is full of crap is because you can’t believe that other human beings think this way as it’s completely foreign to you. You think he’s full of crap because he couldn’t possibly be thinking of others instead of winning football games because that’s not what you think he should be doing.
I’m wondering if the REAL problem you and people like JK have with Dabo is that if his way works, your cold and cynical mental models of how the world SHOULD work are shattered.
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Re: Rationalizations and justifications
Dec 6, 2022, 9:59 AM
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Likewise, not one person on this forum has advocated for Dabo to not use the portal at all. JK is the only one I have seen that has said Dabo thinks a handful of players could ruin our culture because that extreme view furthers his narrative. Dabo has said he will use it for the right player or players and the right situation. I believe this will be the year it happens.
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A little yeast spoils the batch
Dec 5, 2022, 9:58 PM
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It's no indictment to say a coach is being choosy with who gets to parachute in via the portal.
That being said, I think quite a bit of shine has worn off the apple over this DJ thing, that the culture may need a bit of a reset.
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Dabo should be choosy about anyone he brings onto the team.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:06 AM
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I'm not advocating for Dabo to bring in attitude problems.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 10:19 PM
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You’re absolutely 100% right. In fact, bringing in a guy who might have some “troubles” to a culture as strong as Clemson’s is likely only to benefit him.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 10:20 PM
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Is there a Trash of the day post we can start awarding? What a dumb statement. I mean truly idiotic and out of touch
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 10:31 PM
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When i was in a dorm at CU in 1967 we had a weekly meeting on the hall to vote for the Hall S**t of the week. JK would have won it most weeks.
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I do get your point but I also think it would be hard, like
Dec 5, 2022, 10:29 PM
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Adopting a child that’s the same age or older than your children. I think the hard part would be people in the system for a few years and you start them over someone. That being said I think it has to happen and I agree that he can do it in a way that he gets people he wants. Maybe it helps if he recruited them previously. Although we know that everyone who chooses another school is not a Clemson man. Another hard part is the fact that the good ones seem to get picked up so quickly that it sure smells like tampering or you have to be on it. Not sure you have a ton of time to vet someone
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Think this post is premature
Dec 5, 2022, 10:37 PM
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Per David Hood podcast, incoming Clemson portal activity is in work and should be anticipated ... cautiously optimistic ...
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Hopefully Dabo is truly open to using the portal
Dec 6, 2022, 11:09 AM
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to address team needs and bring in players who have a chance to make significant contributions.
So far, he hasn't been.
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What are those needs and who are the players you believe
Dec 6, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Dabo should/should've gone after and didn't? I'd like to see a breakdown from you for 2022 and 2023. TIA
Also, I'll ask again...link to where Dabo has said anything remotely related to a belief that bringing in transfers will ruin our culture? If you cannot provide this then the entire premise of your thread is null and void.
Judge Keller® since you have me on ignore for calling you out and proving you wrong.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 5, 2022, 11:54 PM
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Dabo only offers guys that pay their way to come to Clemson. He has changed in the fact he now allows official visits during the seasson when he only used to have them during the summer.
I do not seeing him bringing in someone who they didn't offer when the possible portal guy was a high school recruit.
He may have to change, but as I see it, his reluctance to take portal players will go against the culture he has built with guys that want to come in and start without going through the pains of earning it. Paw Journey would be part of that.
I have a feeling he will have to change to stay competitive, but I also think Clemson goes after a very specific type of player.... stong Christian family background. And that goes for his coaches and support staff too.
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Another Jealousy Jab by JK
Dec 6, 2022, 6:50 AM
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So so predictable. Sad really.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 7:26 AM
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Are you familiar with the phrase: one bad apple spoils the whole bunch?
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Yes, and I believe that the risk of getting a bad apple
Dec 6, 2022, 11:13 AM
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from the transfer portal is essentially the same as getting one from high school.
There is always a risk involved, but we can still do our due diligence with portal players and vet them.
I'm not advocating for us getting any bad apples, but I do think it's okay to take some guys who have been through some stuff and just need a better environment and a second chance.
I worry about our coaching staff's view of the portal. Did you see the tweet Nick Eason sent earlier this year about the portal, which was since deleted?
"My definition of the transfer portal: If you don’t want to compete, RUN!"
It was accompanied by a gif of Forrest Gump running.
I hope others on the staff don't share that opinion.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 8:21 AM
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I did not agree with Dabo’s handling of the QB situation. However, that ship has sailed and I have moved on.
As far as culture, Dabo is more loyal to his players than they are to him. Dabo is not a win at all cost kind of guy. There is a certain character of player that he targets. That is why he gives out fewer offers than Kirby, Saban, and Day. Dabo tried to bring in an offensive lineman last year that he felt was a fit. He will do the same this year if he finds the correct players.
He is not going to cheat and break NCAA rules to get a player here. So we will see other school quickly get players out of the portal. I am beginning to understand the need for the Daniel High School project players. I believe Dabo feels they will stick with him when he needs a warm body to play in the post season.
I knew he had done a great job last year when he did not any opt outs for the bowl game. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to see that Dabo’s players act different than most.
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The culture Dabo has built is great.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:16 AM
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We should all be proud of it, and seek to maintain it.
No one wants us to take players who don't share those values.
But the notion that using the portal means one has to cheat or do anything else to compromise the team's values is unfair. We recruit good players out of high school without cheating, so why should using the portal require cheating?
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It's not about the culture...
Dec 6, 2022, 8:29 AM
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it's about the the relationships and the commitment he makes to his players.
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This makes no sense to me.
Dec 6, 2022, 11:20 AM
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How is bringing in transfers affecting his relationship with his players or his commitment to them?!?
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 8:41 AM
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Dabo has said he will use the portal when it makes sense. The other thing to consider with the portal and our culture is that Dabo is very selective when choosing HS recruits from all over the country to make sure they are a good fit. I don’t know the numbers but I’m sure the pool of HS seniors each year that is available for consideration by Clemson is much larger than the pool in the transfer portal. Subtract the number of guys in the transfer portal that don’t want to come to a school like Clemson because their reason for being in the portal is to go somewhere where they will almost certainly get more playing time immediately and the number available to Clemson goes down further. Then you have a much smaller number of players in the portal to choose from. The sole issue with the portal isn’t Dabo being worried about ruining the culture. It is just one factor. The true issue is that it becomes a numbers game and Dabo is choosing from a much smaller number of guys that fit our needs and want to come here.
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He also said that the best players will play
Dec 6, 2022, 11:31 AM
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and that doesn't seem to have been the case with our QBs this year.
The problem with Dabo's statement about using the transfer portal "when it makes sense" is that he doesn't seem to think it ever makes sense - at least not yet, despite evidence that it could've helped our team. He's gone out of his way to criticize the portal and how it is anathema to what he feels our program stands for. Earlier this year, he said the following:
"My transfer portal is right there in that locker room, because if I'm constantly going out every year and adding guys from the transfer portal, I'm telling all those guys in that locker room that I don't believe in them, that I don't think they can play. We're also not doing our job as coaches and recruiters if we're bringing in a bunch of transfers. We're not going to build our roster on transfers."
He went on to say:
"Again, if we're having to use it to help build our roster, that means we've missed on kids and we're no longer signing the best of the best out there. I don't see that coming. We'll have to use it, but only to fill a gap. There's nobody on the planet that won't have to use it."
It sounds like he feels forced to use it, but doesn't really want to, and will only use it to "fill a gap." What does that mean to Dabo? I'm guessing that it means adding a guy like Hunter Johnson to be third string QB or a backup lineman for depth, and not someone who can play a lot and help us as a starter or play meaningful snaps.
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Re: He also said that the best players will play
Dec 6, 2022, 6:06 PM
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So which is it? He doesn’t think it ever makes sense or he will use it to fill a gap? You’re arguing with yourself now.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 8:59 AM
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You would think it was the felon portal.
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I, too am puzzled by the fact that Dabo seems to think that
Dec 6, 2022, 9:10 AM
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he can only instill his culture in high schoolers, not ex-high schoolers. These are not imprintable four year olds, these are young men who should be, at least in most cases, mature enough to see the merits of one form of team "culture" versus another. And yet, Dabo must think that one or two outside voices coming in could undo everything that he has done with the other 83 or 84 players. He doesn't seem to have a lot of faith that his culture can stand against outside forces, if that is the case.
Given how loyal Dabo is, and how he has repeatedly given "second chances" to players ON his teams, this attitude of shunning players from the portal is even more baffling. He seems to think anyone in the portal is just permanently tainted fruit, and undeserving of that same second chance elsewhere. And, that juxtaposition opens him up to at least somewhat justified criticism.
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Dabos only problem is he has to deal with turd fans
Dec 6, 2022, 9:10 AM
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(like you) questioning every move he makes.
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Your post yet again reiterates my belief that you've never
Dec 6, 2022, 9:16 AM
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had to lead a team or organization...
Also, you do realize how Cancer starts, right? And how rapidly it can spread/grow?
Dabo won't and shouldn't accept/pursue anyone that doesn't fit our culture. Makes ZERO sense.
Also, link to where he's ever so much as insinuated that bringing in transfers hurts the culture/Clemson family? Me believes your just making up crap to bad mouth Dabo/Football Program yet again.
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CLEARLY JK has never been at the very top of a VERY
Dec 6, 2022, 9:58 AM
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successful organization.
All of us that have been, CLEARLY see that he has the worker mentality & NOT the Owner's mentality.
OR . . .
He is a click generating bot or stoolie being paid very well by TigerNet. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
Dabo is CLEARLY at the VERY top of a VERY successful organization.
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Re: CLEARLY JK has never been at the very top of a VERY
Dec 6, 2022, 10:22 AM
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He trolls a lot and has a lot of tells that come thru in what he says that supports what you’re saying.
Altogether a person who should never be in charge of anything.
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And never has been.***
Dec 6, 2022, 11:07 AM
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 9:21 AM
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I doubt he is concerned about a few new faces tearing apart the culture here. But why would anyone want to bring in even one guy that you think might have a good chance of spending a lot of time in the love shack. Wouldn’t that be an even bigger waste of a scholarship than giving it to a Daniel walk-on?? Bringing in a guy that you expect to have disciplinary issues is poor roster management.
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Again, I don't think anyone is suggesting we bring in
Dec 6, 2022, 11:34 AM
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players with attitude problems.
We're talking about bringing in a guy who is a good guy who is a good player who needs a second chance.
Do you think our Clemson players who are entering the portal are bad guys with attitude problems?
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Oh, really? Then why did you ding an earlier poster
Dec 6, 2022, 12:40 PM
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touting Dabo's selectivity of character whether HS recruit or portal with your snide comment stating just the opposite?
Your response to tigerforlife86...
How’s that working out for us the last two years?
Not too well if we want to play for national championships."
Is it because you're a disingenuous Tater hating troll that has no issue talking out both sides of your ### if it serves your trolling aims?
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Re: Again, I don't think anyone is suggesting we bring in
Dec 6, 2022, 6:17 PM
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Who is the guy you are talking about in your second paragraph? Maybe if you can’t identify that guy Dabo hasn’t found him yet either.
Some, but not all, of the Clemson guys probably do have attitude issues. Lyn J comes to mind.
And my point all day has been that SOME of the guys in the portal probably have attitude problems and that reduces the number of guys that fit for us. But that is only one factor. Just like there are some positions we are in good shape and those guys in the portal that play that position don’t count as candidates either. Or guys that can’t make the grades. The pool is just smaller.
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So yesterday you criticized my post for and I quote
Dec 6, 2022, 9:44 AM
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"Ahh yes, the old reliable logical fallacy of appealing to authority". Which by the way is not a logical fallacy, it is respect for my friends who know I frequently post on TNet that I can never name them as a source. Now your logical fallacy is that you have zero proof, except in your own mind for tour statement. Have you had a conversation with Dabo? Have you had a conversation with anyone to back up your statement?
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Re: So yesterday you criticized my post for and I quote
Dec 6, 2022, 9:53 AM
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But if the original poster didn’t contrive false premises he wouldn't have material with which to troll.
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And yet you make arguments with no supporting evidence,
Dec 6, 2022, 11:55 AM
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other than your "expert" opinion. What is the difference?
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Exactly, JK has yet to provide any kind of evidence that
Dec 6, 2022, 12:12 PM
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Dabo feels this way. He's just trying to manufacture an issue with Dabo, per the usual.
I'm also sure you'll be added to his "ignored" list before wrong. He doesn't like people that question him and/or prove him wrong.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 9:57 AM
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You are not very intelligent. I think you may be some kind of legend on here, but all I see are idiotic posts and stupid opinions.
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So you insult my intelligence and offer nothing of substance
Dec 6, 2022, 11:38 AM
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in response to my original post.
Brilliant.
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That ignores the fact that it only takes a couple of...
Dec 6, 2022, 10:14 AM
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guys with poor work ethics to contaminate a team. One or two bad attitudes can be contagious. We know Dabo looks at many facets of the lives of prospects. He interviews their families as much as just paying them visits. Somebody on his staff is going to verify the background of every player we sign.
Ask yourself 'Why does this kid want to transfer? Their coach isn't going to tell you and the media doesn't know. Imo, the risk of getting a problem rather than the solution you seek is high. We've seen LSU smoke the world with a bunch of transfers. Their coach lasted what, one year past that?
There's another consideration. How does this guy fit into our scheme, how will our underclassmen receive a guy who didn't fight through two years of practice and classwork demands with them? Will we lose potential starters because we screwed those kids we promised they'd get their turn if they did all they were capable of doing?
Imo, the portal has more potential to damage a team in the long run that the short run returns it offers. I resent that people think that it is the best way to win. It's not; the best way to win is to recruit and mold players to do things right, to capitalize on their talent by refining their skills.
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Re: That ignores the fact that it only takes a couple of...
Dec 6, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Probably hundreds of portal guys are bad apples. But hundreds are college graduates. Some are graduates of elite schools. Why do you think they would be lacking in work ethic? You already get a crop of low effort guys every year. They watch for 4 years. Do they really poison the team?
So Burrows was a bad guy to play football instead of warming a bench?
Guys shouldn't seek football scholarships to pay for their MBA?
A blanket anti portal stance is just sheer stupidity.
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No one is suggesting that we take players with bad attitudes
Dec 6, 2022, 11:43 AM
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from the portal.
Don't you think that out of the thousands of players in the portal, there are many who are good guys who just want a better situation for themselves?
We aren't talking about abandoning our focus on recruiting high school players. That's obviously the ideal. But what about our high school recruits who don't pan out? What if they don't develop like we thought? What if they are injured and can't play? Or what if their attitude stinks? All of those things can and have happened on our team. They happen every year.
What also happens every year is that we lose players to the transfer portal. We are headed for double digits again this year. Counting on backup scholarship players, walk-ons, and true freshmen to fill voids and make meaningful contributions in their place, on a consistent basis, is a lot to ask. In my opinion, it's a recipe for disaster.
Taking transfers isn't failing to keep our promise to the players on our team. Our promise is that we will give them good coaching, healthcare, and a good education, in exchange for their hard work, and that they will have an opportunity to play. It isn't a guarantee that they will play (at least it better not be!).
If our current players are as good as we think they are and expect them to be, why would a player from the portal be able to easily take their spot on the depth chart?
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eh.. i think its more he doesn't want to waste their time
Dec 6, 2022, 10:19 AM
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i would assume there are alot of prerequisites and groundwork laid by Dabo himself to an early entrant and freshman that those new young men can't be required to accomplish because of timing. Then at that point its all about football and that is the antithesis of what Dabo's mission statement is all about. He's had guys transfer in but I don't that any of them have been successful.
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If a new player needs years to be a functioning and
Dec 6, 2022, 11:45 AM
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meaningful member of our program, then perhaps we are requiring too much of them.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 10:20 AM
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It's fun watching your pulse drop because of your own idiocy
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Stop bumping this troll nonsense.***
Dec 6, 2022, 10:42 AM
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 10:58 AM
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Why dont you just shut up
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Freakin troll. We went after a couple transfers last year
Dec 6, 2022, 11:11 AM
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and Dabo has said REPEATEDLY we'll go after transfers when need.
You're so full of ####. Your BS troll job holds no credence whatsoever. You literally sit around trying to come up with ways to troll the most successful, BY FAR, athletic program in Clemson history.
Anytime you mention the word "Dabo" or "football", your post should be automatically deleted. Freakin troll.
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Re: Rather than insult you and Brownlee, I would simply
Dec 6, 2022, 11:17 AM
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state this: To the contrary: The culture Dabo has created is ALL about commitment---thus the mantra "All In". By definition, a portal player has rescinded his commitment to his program.
It's as simple as that. I don't understand your need to pee in the punch bowl and troll everyone.
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Commitment is great, but if the definition of commitment
Dec 6, 2022, 12:53 PM
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being used is a rigid one which precludes us from considering transfers, then it's not going to allow us to have the kind of success we want to have.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 11:39 AM
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If Judge Keller is the troll that y'all claim, he sure owns 120 of y'all rising to the bait - right on cue.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 12:52 PM
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Dabo brings in roughly 20 Freshmen every year and the culture hasn't changed so I don't think bringing in a couple of transfers each year would worry Dabo at all. What we have seen is that kids who don't wind up adapting to the culture wind up in the Love Shack and now many of those head for the portal.
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you are not what we think you are.
Dec 6, 2022, 5:18 PM
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you are much different...
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This is the worst post in the history of Tnet and that’s saying a lot
Dec 6, 2022, 6:27 PM
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Congrats! You win! Unlike our BBall team.
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Re: Dabo lacks confidence in our team culture and the “Clemson family”
Dec 6, 2022, 7:58 PM
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You are full of it!
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Are you lonely?***
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