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TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 1:49 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball***
Apr 15, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball***
Apr 15, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 2:38 PM
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The only tangible thing I’m reading is the “nutritional facilities” which begs the follow-up: why the flip has this not already been done! The cost is a drop in the bucket to feed the basketball team/staff. What’re we talking about - 30 people for players and staff? There are food prep facilities already on site. Caters could already be doing this. If this is what we’ve been missing everyone with any previous oversight of basketball should be dismissed. The more they talk about the basketball program the more depressing it becomes.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 6:51 PM
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The only tangible thing I’m reading is the “nutritional facilities” which begs the follow-up: why the flip has this not already been done! The cost is a drop in the bucket to feed the basketball team/staff. What’re we talking about - 30 people for players and staff? There are food prep facilities already on site. Caters could already be doing this. If this is what we’ve been missing everyone with any previous oversight of basketball should be dismissed. The more they talk about the basketball program the more depressing it becomes.
For those who have a 3rd grade or higher level of comprehension this list is not new as it’s been posted multiple times on this site
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 10:18 PM
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It's not a list. It's a single thing. And I have not once, ever, no matter how many times I've solicited it had any of the Brad Brownell Bros (yourself included) mention that our basketball team has been denied "nutritional facilities" or a proper training table. And rather than thinking this is some kind of flex you should realize how poorly this speaks of the people running the program. This is not expensive and not complicated. It is also an area where actual performance benefits are gained - not just making players happy. It's egregious that this low cost, easily implemented service is the only specific feature that has been named as missing from our program. You can barely follow how a message board thread works and you can't string together coherent thoughts. I'd hold up on insulting levels of education/comprehension. I doubt your Mensa membership is up to date.
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Oh yeah? I’ve never seen it mentioned.
Apr 15, 2022, 11:02 PM
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And I agree with Viz, it’s a simple fix. Now is that going to amp up the energy level in LJ and put butts in seats with Brownell as the coach? Hail no.
And why do you always “quote original” when you post? It’s incredibly annoying. You know who else does that a lot? Judge Helen Keller and the weirdo who always types in all caps.
I swear you BBBros alternate spend-the-nights in your mommy’s basements and just stalk tigernet for all things clemson basketball. Losers.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Really glad Clemson is investing a lot in basketball. It already shows the last couple of years. The link I posted at the very bottom shows what public schools in all the major and mid conferences spent as late as 20-21 season.
If you go to the link just put in compare with other schools tab toward the bottom right. You would put in total operating expenses for basketball for 20-21. The fact that during a covid year that Clemson is ranked 37 is saying something. Now it less than the 19-20 year but Clemson climbed from ranked 43 to 35. And look at those schools that are considered having more basketball success than Clemson. Memphis, Purdue, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Iowa State, Kansas State, UNLV. These are schools that havae gone to Final Fours and won Nattys.
A lot of schools also dropped more than Clemson for the Covid year. Schools more known for basketball in the ACC, SEC and nationally.
The fact that Clemson didn't drop as much shows it was important to hold firm on spending money even it had to cut some due to Covid.
I expect these figures to even climb even more for Clemson in 21-22. Brad no longer as the excuse and need to start putting up post season success to what the rankings show.
Expenses 2020-21
1 Texas $17,738,598
2 Kentucky $17,180,834
3 Kansas $14,116,246
4 Arizona $13,586,274
5 Louisville $12,449,423
6 Indiana $11,361,335
7 Oklahoma $10,587,027
8 Ole Miss $10,544,475
9 Nebraska $10,395,527
10 Virginia $10,303,798
11 Tennessee $10,248,534
12 Auburn $9,917,358
13 Michigan State $9,606,097
14 Ohio State $9,481,027
15 Texas Tech $9,156,001
16 UCLA $9,072,651
17 Illinois $8,983,664
18 Utah $8,597,512
19 Oregon $8,528,187
20 Florida State $8,459,689
21 Alabama $8,387,815
22 Arkansas $8,201,217
23 North Carolina $8,157,849
24 Rutgers $8,014,944
25 Houston $7,963,934
26 Maryland $7,727,539
27 Connecticut $7,578,043
28 LSU $7,577,482
29 West Virginia $7,533,734
30 NC State $7,438,306
31 Missouri $7,321,237
32 Penn State $7,194,442
33 Michigan $7,178,783
34 Iowa $7,174,148
35 Florida $7,063,816
36 Arizona State $6,993,562
37 Clemson $6,794,521
38 Virginia Tech $6,706,124
39 Memphis $6,630,867
40 South Carolina $6,612,640
41 Purdue $6,605,656
42 Wisconsin $6,574,235
43 Minnesota $6,296,158
44 Mississippi State $6,260,208
45 Iowa State $6,160,639
46 Kansas State $6,098,564
47 California $5,912,460
48 Washington State $5,803,658
49 Georgia Tech $5,774,159
50 Colorado $5,156,520
51 Oklahoma State $5,097,903
52 Oregon State $5,010,897
53 UNLV $4,822,800
54 Cincinnati. $4,700,000
differences from 19-20 to 20-21
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School Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2019-20 Men's Basketball Total Operating Expenses 2020-21 Difference
Texas $10,721,208 $17,738,598 $7,017,390
Kansas $10,968,620 $14,116,246 $3,147,626
Arizona $10,795,208 $13,586,274 $2,791,066
Oklahoma $9,669,952 $10,587,027 $917,075
Houston $7,726,256 $7,963,934 $237,678
South Alabama $1,858,093 $2,027,042 $168,949
Texas State $1,805,819 $1,857,656 $51,837
Southern Mississippi $1,885,873 $1,805,475 $-80,398
Georgia Southern $1,622,981 $1,541,356 $-81,625
Central Michigan $2,166,040 $2,063,905 $-102,135
Georgia State $2,628,398 $2,484,584 $-143,814
Penn State $7,368,414 $7,194,442 $-173,972
FIU $2,043,735 $1,866,166 $-177,569
Louisiana, Lafayette $2,561,076 $2,330,652 $-230,424
North Texas $3,029,266 $2,786,595 $-242,671
Western Kentucky $3,185,861 $2,939,169 $-246,692
UTSA $2,398,191 $2,150,124 $-248,067
San Jose State $2,598,369 $2,349,869 $-248,500
FAU $2,049,793 $1,794,893 $-254,900
Michigan $7,469,435 $7,178,783 $-290,652
Utah State $4,783,241 $4,474,902 $-308,339
New Mexico State $3,351,796 $3,040,489 $-311,307
Louisiana, Monroe $1,626,464 $1,298,504 $-327,960
Utah $8,926,637 $8,597,512 $-329,125
Toledo $2,465,023 $2,134,330 $-330,693
App State $1,978,719 $1,644,277 $-334,442
Rutgers $8,350,138 $8,014,944 $-335,194
Ball State $1,940,843 $1,566,324 $-374,519
UTEP $3,803,326 $3,411,469 $-391,857
Northern Illinois $1,668,100 $1,255,013 $-413,087
Middle Tennessee $3,151,735 $2,714,365 $-437,370
Buffalo $3,019,576 $2,569,833 $-449,743
Eastern Michigan $2,048,250 $1,478,566 $-569,684
Wyoming $3,596,687 $3,002,972 $-593,715
Virginia $10,914,228 $10,303,798 $-610,430
Boise State $3,531,302 $2,913,410 $-617,892
Colorado State $4,328,160 $3,685,315 $-642,845
Nevada $3,897,936 $3,229,484 $-668,452
Miami (Ohio) $2,322,697 $1,634,566 $-688,131
Marshall $3,001,880 $2,292,463 $-709,417
Nebraska $11,142,604 $10,395,527 $-747,077
Fresno State $3,221,377 $2,424,425 $-796,952
Bowling Green $2,622,558 $1,822,773 $-799,785
Charlotte $3,685,899 $2,886,076 $-799,823
UNLV $5,630,536 $4,822,800 $-807,736
Old Dominion $3,520,745 $2,710,776 $-809,969
New Mexico $4,143,361 $3,322,943 $-820,418
Maryland $8,563,323 $7,727,539 $-835,784
Kentucky $18,047,858 $17,180,834 $-867,024
Akron $3,087,252 $2,169,057 $-918,195
Washington State $6,778,055 $5,803,658 $-974,397
Western Michigan $2,204,126 $1,210,588 $-993,538
North Carolina $9,162,989 $8,157,849 $-1,005,140
Alabama $9,429,629 $8,387,815 $-1,041,814
East Carolina $4,065,679 $3,006,942 $-1,058,737
Mississippi State $7,373,585 $6,260,208 $-1,113,377
Clemson $7,955,154 $6,794,521 $-1,160,633
UCF $5,554,279 $4,316,642 $-1,237,637
California $7,177,831 $5,912,460 $-1,265,371
San Diego State $5,560,084 $4,256,832 $-1,303,252
Kent State $2,022,791 $697,527 $-1,325,264
South Florida $4,982,170 $3,639,124 $-1,343,046
Oregon State $6,401,055 $5,010,897 $-1,390,158
Colorado $6,568,546 $5,156,520 $-1,412,026
Iowa State $7,584,087 $6,160,639 $-1,423,448
Massachusetts $4,302,473 $2,815,093 $-1,487,380
Cincinnati $6,216,027 $4,687,781 $-1,528,246
Georgia Tech $7,318,594 $5,774,159 $-1,544,435
South Carolina $8,230,498 $6,612,640 $-1,617,858
Indiana $13,002,715 $11,361,335 $-1,641,380
Kansas State $7,741,685 $6,098,564 $-1,643,121
LSU $9,257,739 $7,577,482 $-1,680,257
Purdue $8,286,755 $6,605,656 $-1,681,099
Arkansas $9,883,017 $8,201,217 $-1,681,800
Iowa $8,857,034 $7,174,148 $-1,682,886
Oregon $10,232,395 $8,528,187 $-1,704,208
Arizona State $8,733,671 $6,993,562 $-1,740,109
Missouri $9,118,566 $7,321,237 $-1,797,329
Auburn $11,775,810 $9,917,358 $-1,858,452
Ole Miss $12,419,645 $10,544,475 $-1,875,170
Oklahoma State $7,050,752 $5,097,903 $-1,952,849
Coastal Carolina $4,079,050 $2,123,196 $-1,955,854
Wisconsin $8,607,522 $6,574,235 $-2,033,287
Florida State $10,502,885 $8,459,689 $-2,043,196
Minnesota $8,435,194 $6,296,158 $-2,139,036
Florida $9,443,199 $7,063,816 $-2,379,383
NC State $9,822,561 $7,438,306 $-2,384,255
UCLA $11,510,394 $9,072,651 $-2,437,743
Ohio State $11,979,259 $9,481,027 $-2,498,232
Illinois $11,607,632 $8,983,664 $-2,623,968
Texas Tech $11,848,111 $9,156,001 $-2,692,110
West Virginia $10,355,095 $7,533,734 $-2,821,361
Tennessee $13,114,955 $10,248,534 $-2,866,421
Virginia Tech $9,593,737 $6,706,124 $-2,887,613
Connecticut $11,240,790 $7,578,043 $-3,662,747
Memphis $11,932,659 $6,630,867 $-5,301,792
Michigan State $15,400,339 $9,606,097 $-5,794,242
Louisville $19,847,347 $12,449,423 $-7,397,924
Total $661,493,004 $556,572,660 $-104,920,344
Average $6,749,928 $5,679,312 $-1,070,616
https://www.sportico.com/business/commerce/2021/college-sports-finances-database-intercollegiate-1234646029/
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 8:02 PM
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Interestingly, Duke is not on the list. Perhaps money isn't as important as a quality coaching staff.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 8:38 PM
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Private school...
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Eagerly awaiting the answer to my question
Apr 15, 2022, 3:43 PM
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About whether he has fired anyone.
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I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 3:59 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job.
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 4:19 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job.
look at my post above. Clemson didn't drop near as much during a Covid year than a lot of bigger schools known for more basketball success. from what Neff says Clemson is going to climb somewhere in the top 25-30 ranked teams in spending in for this next year. Brad needs to show much more success from what those return numbers are going to indicate...
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Well, we're ahead of Coots in spending..
Apr 15, 2022, 6:47 PM
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by a slim feather!
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 7:07 PM
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He’s going to fire someone if he feels that it needs to be done. It’s part of the job. look at my post above. Clemson didn't drop near as much during a Covid year than a lot of bigger schools known for more basketball success. from what Neff says Clemson is going to climb somewhere in the top 25-30 ranked teams in spending in for this next year. Brad needs to show much more success from what those return numbers are going to indicate...
How does a guy who has never set foot on campus know what Brad needs to do?
You probably don’t understand building a team through investments. Clemson has been at the bottom of the ACC for basically ever. Throwing money at the program and expecting an giant leap is silly. Yes there there needs to be improvement but it will happen over time. Building a program is also not a straight line endeavor . There will be ups and downs although the overall slope needs to remain positive
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Re: I don’t understand why that is relevant.
Apr 15, 2022, 10:21 PM
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Derp, I know this is hard for someone with a 3rd grade level of reading comprehension, derp, but the ACC of 2022 has no resemblance to the one that Clemson was at the bottom of for, derp, basically ever. So learn what a false equivalency is and stop using them, derp.
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I thought there was language in Coach Swinney's contract
Apr 15, 2022, 8:14 PM
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that would automatically bump his pay up to maintain him in the top ?? of all college football coaches? I could have imagined it, at my age, brain cells are kicking ye olde bucket at an ever increasing rate.
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Re: I thought there was language in Coach Swinney's contract
Apr 16, 2022, 10:16 AM
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That's definitely in Saban's contract, which happened around the same time as Dabo's, and they were talked about a lot side-by-side, so you might be thinking of that.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 15, 2022, 11:28 PM
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There is no one who values Coach Swinney more than I do, but let's not portray him as money hungry. Remember, it was not so very long ago that Coach Swinney agreed to a salary that made him the lowest paid head coach in the ACC. By all means, Clemson needs to do what is necessary to keep Dabo at Clemson, and that includes keeping him among the best compensated coaches in America, but he is not Jimbo Fisher. He is not going to jump because someone waves a bit more money in his face.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 10:03 AM
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I think we should immediately start a "GoFundMe" campaign to help Dabo out.
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 6:31 PM
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Neff , how about baseball , and Coach Lee , for me i think u need to look for a new coach , Coach Lee is a small conference coach , NOT a power five coach , go get a power five coach , NOT no small college coach .
Clemson under Coach Lee won 30 games this year , unless they play more Small teams ,
Thank you sir , and we appreciate Mr Neff ,
David Taylor ,
I have been a Clemson fan for 66 years , never went to Clemson but 100% All In ,
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 16, 2022, 10:52 PM
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So . .he doesn't know we made it to the final 8 before in Basketball? But I'm supposed to think he has control of all this? pishaw
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I’m 100% for Clemson Basketball since I was 4 years old
Apr 17, 2022, 8:10 AM
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Neff said a lot to say nothing..???? I like the guy but he’s a not rocking the boat or paddling harder to get there type of guy.
After watching Brads interview the other day, let me be honest, it turns my stomach. If it was my business and I was given a budget to work within I can’t see keeping him if it was my desire to improve on winning.
He makes every excuse in the book from yesterday to tomorrow instead of laying out a vision of how he will succeed.
I could write a page but it’s decided for now. I’m not going to complain about him or or program because he’s our coach and Clemson is my team. I will be 100% all-in but my Opinion is different than Neff’s.
That’s all, let’s go win a National Championship and a final four this next season Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Neff addresses Swinney's contract in today's market, Clemson commitment to basketball
Apr 17, 2022, 4:59 PM
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Clemson's only commitment to basketball is not to pay what the Administration considers to be excessive money to a former coach. Wins and losses are irrelevant.
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