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CU Guru [1722]
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Where is the outrage?????
Jun 17, 2020, 10:00 AM
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Police shooting !!!!!
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All-In [48078]
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Re: Where is the outrage?????
Jun 17, 2020, 10:03 AM
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Supposedly black people have been treated worse through the years by the police than white women. They have had it. That's just speculation on my part.
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CU Medallion [73569]
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not saying thats not true, BUT
Jun 17, 2020, 10:16 AM
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about 30-40% more white people have been killed by cops. Yes, blacks are lower in population but much higher in crime.
We could go round and round on those numbers but it boils down to whites get killed more by cops.
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Re: not saying thats not true, BUT
Jun 17, 2020, 1:46 PM
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Re: not saying thats not true, BUT
Jun 17, 2020, 3:09 PM
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Paraphrasing Andrew Lang
People use statistics as they would use a lamp-post. For support rather than illumination.
So you are right about the round and round.
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Re: Where is the outrage?????
Jun 17, 2020, 10:22 AM
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But. But. According to the Washington Post, more whites are shot by law enforcement than blacks each year. Just saying.
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Re: Where is the outrage?????
Jun 17, 2020, 1:48 PM
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Yeah...I am with you man. Black people and white ladies have had the same life over the last 100's of years. They are totally the same. You and I are so smart.
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Starts with you, if you feel strongly about it.***
Jun 17, 2020, 10:17 AM
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CU Medallion [73569]
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actually no, its starts with what MSM deems outrage
Jun 17, 2020, 10:18 AM
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worthy. Until they cover it over and over, it goes no where
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All-In [26968]
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They will cover what their viewers want to see.
Jun 17, 2020, 10:19 AM
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That's how they make money.
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Re: They will cover what their viewers want to see.
Jun 17, 2020, 10:27 AM
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^^underrated poast
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CU Medallion [73569]
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bullshiit. They hide what is damaging to libs until
Jun 17, 2020, 11:25 AM
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they can't hide it anymore. Kind of like the Biden sex assualt thing. They tried their best to not talk about it. When they couldn't hide it anymore then they talked about it as she's not trustworthy. Not as Believe All Women.
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CU Guru [1722]
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No...there is a ton of spin. I'm saying that
Jun 17, 2020, 11:36 AM
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the viewers crave the spin. Desperately. That's why they do it.
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so ...this is a different case, but I remember this one
Jun 17, 2020, 10:37 AM
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because it was in Seneca. A young white man was shot and killed by police and what I remember is that a Black activist was involved in staging a march for this young man.
this particular article gives an possible reason for why there isn't more 'outrage' ... https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2015/08/30/435277397/a-white-teen-was-killed-by-a-cop-and-no-one-took-to-the-streets-is-that-a-proble
We were surprised. Where was everyone? A conservative blogger from North Carolina seemed to speak for many in Seneca, which is largely white, with a blog post he wrote about the case and its aftermath 12 days after the shooting.
"The evidence remains very murky on both sides," he wrote, "so those of us with patience and common-sense have refrained from expressing outrage. We prefer that the natural process of justice be allowed to occur without any inference."
basically, the justice system has worked for White people, they have more trust in it, so most sit back and wait for the process to play out. Where as with Black people, we've seen the police or others (I see you George Zimmerman) get away with committing crimes against Black people and not be punished.
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Rock Defender [54]
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The legal system works
Jun 17, 2020, 12:05 PM
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Re: The legal system works
Jun 17, 2020, 12:13 PM
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^^^^^^^^. This time 100
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Rock Defender [54]
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The victim blaming of Trayvon Martin is pretty disgusting.
Jun 17, 2020, 12:13 PM
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Dude got away with literal murder.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Prove what I said wrong
Jun 17, 2020, 12:18 PM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Why the he’ll do you want someone to?
Jun 17, 2020, 12:31 PM
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The only version of the story we have to go on is from this literal piece of ####.
Martin was a child.
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Re: Why the he’ll do you want someone to?
Jun 17, 2020, 12:35 PM
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not true, but i wont call you a liar
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Once again the criminal justice system fails the blackman.***
Jun 17, 2020, 2:53 PM
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It doesn't always...
Jun 17, 2020, 12:15 PM
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and that is where we have to get to a place of understanding. Most of the time justice is for those that have money. That affects all races. But to continually say that there is not inequity in justice applied is why we are where we are.
One side is overkill with every police action is racism and brutality and the other side says the legal system is perfect. We will get nowhere with those two extremes.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Never said it was perfect
Jun 17, 2020, 12:21 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I know you don't feel that way...
Jun 17, 2020, 12:29 PM
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your post however sounds that way.
And yes, when I said "all races" I included white people too.
What I am trying to get people to understand is the "but white people" response comes off sounding racist. You aren't racist, but that response shuts down the conversation.
I am not talking about surrendering your position, but stepping back and acknowledging where injustice exists without the "but white people."
That is all the majority of black people (not the fringe) are looking for. Not patronizing, but saying I hear you. I acknowledge your experience.
That is step one, in my opinion.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Agree to disagree then
Jun 17, 2020, 12:42 PM
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You're missing a huge part of the point...
Jun 17, 2020, 12:46 PM
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black people have a different experience with the police than you do. Rich black people have a different experience with the police than you do. That is a fact. There was a study linked not long ago here that found that the disparity in frequency of traffic stops between blacks and white is significantly less at night, when the police can't see the race of the driver.
This different experience is what makes "But white people" so maddening to any black person trying to have a sensible discussion about race and the police.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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this is exactly correct...
Jun 17, 2020, 12:50 PM
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I have heard too many affluent black people who have the same belief system I do tell me about this.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Well if Tim Scott said so...
Jun 17, 2020, 2:03 PM
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Re: Well if Tim Scott said so...
Jun 17, 2020, 2:18 PM
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You just made everyone's point with that quote.
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Rock Defender [54]
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No I didn’t
Jun 17, 2020, 2:37 PM
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Nobody is jumping to conclusions
Jun 17, 2020, 3:41 PM
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this is the reality for black people. Tim Scott said he was speeding "Sometimes" but the "vast majority" of the time it was for nothing. That is life for every black person I have ever met, affluent or not. Refusing to see it is your way of burying your head in the sand.
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Re: Nobody is jumping to conclusions
Jun 17, 2020, 3:45 PM
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Nobody is championing him dude
Jun 17, 2020, 3:50 PM
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We're just trying to convince you that covering your ears and going, "nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah" when someone points out that black people are treated differently is not a good look.
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Dude, there is a substation just outside my neighborhood...
Jun 17, 2020, 3:38 PM
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lots of black folks live in my neighborhood. Average home value is probably 500-600K. All of the black neighbors that I have spoken to have been pulled over by the cops, usually to ask some ######## questions about where they are going or if that is their car. This is reality for black people and you refusing to acknowledge it means you aren't interested in anything the doesn't fit your narrative.
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Re: Dude, there is a substation just outside my neighborhood...
Jun 17, 2020, 3:51 PM
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Nope, I live in a suburb...
Jun 17, 2020, 3:52 PM
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And the bad neighborhoods are far away. The police patrol the crap out of my neighborhood, which I guess is why we have a zero crime rate.
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Re: Nope, I live in a suburb...
Jun 17, 2020, 3:58 PM
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someone posted an article recently
Jun 17, 2020, 1:47 PM
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of a family that adopted a black kid and then they saw the problem, maybe it was you
you don't even need to read an article, just talk to a black person on what they have encountered during their lives to realize stats don't mean ####
I have talked to my black BIL in length about all of the #### he has seen, he is 85 now so he has seen a lot of it, I would listen intently and believe him but I think I had a hard time putting myself in his shoes, I think finally I am turning the corner and want to be part of the solution somehow instead of saying that if it doesn't affect me that I am not going to worry about it, it took me awhile
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I think there is a somewhere in between
Jun 17, 2020, 1:55 PM
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I have a white friend...
Jun 17, 2020, 2:26 PM
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who has an adopted black son.
Two nights ago his white nephew (covered in tattoos and piercings) and his black son were sitting in a parking lot across the street from the police station for the nephew to meet his baby mama to pay child support.
Before you know it, 6 cops are on the scene.
So the question for everybody is "what would you do?"
Were the cops wrong to even investigate? What would you think if you saw the pair I described above sitting in a parked car?
---- The actually outcome was fine. The first cop on the scene was a jerk. The rest of the cops were cool and apologized and explained that emotions are high in the current climtae.
But, while offended, the nephew was cooperative. How would it been if he had decided to be a jerk?
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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lol you having a white friend***
Jun 17, 2020, 3:35 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'm sorry you feel that I am compromising...
Jun 17, 2020, 12:48 PM
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and playing semantics. I think the evidence is also there that people of color are often approached differently by law enforcement than whites (unless said whites are covered with tattoos and piercings).
I am going to swallow my pride and biases and try to be part of the solution.
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Re: I'm sorry you feel that I am compromising...
Jun 17, 2020, 1:02 PM
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It may be true blacks are approached differently and THE REASON IS THEY COMMIT MURDER/ROBBERY AT MORE THAN 4.5X WHITES, per capita.
That is, you are four or five times more likely, when engaging a random person, to be dealing with some type of criminal when the person is black vs. white. It's stats, not racism.
I agree we all wish it were not that way, but right now it is. And, it's not "fair" when a child is born into poverty as a black vs. the white kid born in the suburbs...The probability of equal outcomes is very unlikely. It needs to be fixed, but that is a problem that will take generations to fix.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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I'm against that too...
Jun 17, 2020, 1:44 PM
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I'm not going to be forced to say something I don't believe and I'm not going to be forced to parse my words to conform to a prescribed formula.
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No, it doesn't always, and depending on race and
Jun 17, 2020, 12:28 PM
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economics, it works even less. The race of the victim makes a huge difference.
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All-In [28802]
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Not only that, but imagine generalizations others could make
Jun 17, 2020, 2:15 PM
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What kinds of generalizations could you make if you knew that black men commit far more interracial crimes than anybody else? Or that black men are more likely to kill police than they are to be unarmed and killed by police? What about the fact that white people committing violent crimes are more likely to be shot by police than black people committing violent crimes?
All of those generalizations that could be made would be wrong. But so is making the generalization that every black person killed by police or by a white person was unfairly victimized, and didn't get justice if their killer isn't charged with murder. I can understand why some black people might not feel that they get fair treatment, but with the crime statistics being what they are, I don't think we want people making generalizations based on feelings.
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It appears BLM only cares about BLs
Jun 17, 2020, 1:54 PM
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Of course, they do have a bunch of other beliefs you can easily find online in their "About Us" page. So, in addition to black lives, they also care about things like "cisgender privilege," being "queer affirming," and "disrupting the nuclear family." They also used to call Israel an "apartheid state."
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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which is why I will never post...
Jun 17, 2020, 2:18 PM
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"black lives matter," white lives matter," or "all lives matter" anywhere.
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That, and you might get fired for 2/3***
Jun 17, 2020, 2:32 PM
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