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Don't forget your boosters, kids.
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Re: Don't forget your boosters, kids.
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Nov 1, 2023, 9:48 AM
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It just killed the dude from Friends and thousands in Gaza. It must be stopped.
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I would like for you to explain to me what this vague bar graph
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Nov 1, 2023, 9:50 AM
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Deaths of recipients
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Nov 1, 2023, 9:53 AM
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by time in 28 day intervals from 2nd or more vaccine dose.
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No wonder the workforce participation rate is so low
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Nov 1, 2023, 9:54 AM
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Everyone is dying out
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The 2,000,000,000 illegals now makes sense***
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Read much?***
Nov 1, 2023, 9:55 AM
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I'm trying. Once again where does it say that?
Nov 1, 2023, 10:01 AM
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Looks to me like somebody has a basic idea of how excel works. Where's the peer reviewed data this chart is based off of? I can make any graph I want in excel to say anything I want it to.
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In the thread of the post. Like it says.***
Nov 1, 2023, 10:03 AM
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I don't have twitter so that might be why I can't see it.
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:04 AM
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Do you have a link to the peer reviewed article that has this data?
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Its on twitter. Why would you need that?
Nov 1, 2023, 10:07 AM
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Elon fixed twitter, remember?
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I dont think you understand what "peer reviewed" means***
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I do.
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Steve Kirsch is rich and has offered millions to people who can prove his data or their conclusions wrong. One 'peer reviewed' problems include that data (like the ones used in the graph) are often suppressed and often only accessed by foias and litigation.
Also, data have been corrupted by things like gubmint attributing deaths to COVID which obviously were not, etc.
Anyway, Kirsch gives his contact info for people who want to disprove his assertions etc.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/how-to-contact-me
Peer review also has serious issues, as has been well documented.
https://www.biospace.com/article/the-mess-that-is-peer-review-and-what-should-be-done-about-it-/
Luckily, we can trust gubmint to be honest and above board always.
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I guess when everything is a lie anything can be the truth
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:32 AM
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But yes, that's how this works. Some rando on the twitter spews insane bull #### then says "prove me wrong"
That's now how any of this works. If he wants to be actually serious he should submit his data to be peer reviewed. There are ways for him to appeal if they deem his numbers not credible.
But he won't
He will put it on twitter and random blogs/podcasts because it's not about being right, it's about being loud.
People like him and by secondary efforts you are why so many people in this country died.
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How does one peer review the results from a form posted to
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Nov 1, 2023, 11:17 AM
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a substack with nothing but anti-vaccine information? I mean how does Gallup peer review a One America poll on Biden, or a Rushlimbaugh.com poll on Hillary CLinton? Or an MSNBC poll on Donald Trump? Or a Children's Defense Fund website poll on the effectiveness of childhood vaccines?......You don't because only idiots place credibility in EITHER.
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Obviously that's pure, unadulterated, unbiased data he collects from
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Nov 1, 2023, 11:24 AM
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the intelligent and reasonable, well rounded people of all persuasions who visit his substack from his Twitter links to fill out his form asking about how many people died after taking vaccines.
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Re: Obviously that's pure, unadulterated, unbiased data he collects from
Nov 1, 2023, 9:58 PM
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‘Peer reviewed’ credibility was exposed as of compromised trustworthiness since the AIDS epidemic hit back in the early/mis 1980’s.
Endemic corruption in the university system via grants from both private sector entities (I.e., those that stood to benefit financially from favorable ‘studies’ for AZT) and public entities such as NIH and NIAID who perceived an increase in the power of their agencies because the politics of AIDS was most favorable if the message that ‘AZT is safe & effective’ was supported.
(*). It is not new news that university researchers seek grant money from both public and private entities. These researches recognize that future grants are more likely if the researcher is known to publish results that support the objective(s) of the entities that provide grant money.
(*). Also, the researchers whose grant-influenced peer review work disputes the findings of a ‘therapeutic / prophylactic heretic’s’ work also tend to get more grant opportunities than those whose peer review work confirms the findings of the ‘heretic.’
BTW, this widespread corruption of the university scientists remains endemic to this day; it also goes far beyond medicines and medical research.
This is a terrible problem for America; it is bad in Europe and (purportedly) to a lesser extent in Japan. Seek peer review work from overseas before trusting peer review work from USA researchers.
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LOL, own it?
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Nov 1, 2023, 11:26 AM
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In typical Murph fashion, he'll throw in a red herring that derails the conversation in another direction. That's his best move.
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A big L
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Nov 1, 2023, 11:43 AM
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You posted a random partisan hack whose word you think is gold and his "data" that he compiled from self-reporting anti vaxxers. Then you claim it as fact. '
When asked for peer-reviewed scientific studies, which actually go through real fact-finding processes, your best response is, "well, those are political."
You got absolutely destroyed in this thread.
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I never said his word is gold. You made that up.
Nov 1, 2023, 12:41 PM
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He puts his money where his mouth is, tho.
You should take his bet and make some easy money.
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I should take his bet...
Nov 1, 2023, 12:46 PM
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To prove his biased survey wrong...
And how exactly? Conduct my own biased survey?
Hey man, I'll give you a thousand dollars if you can prove Bigfoot doesn't exist.
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Re: I do.
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Which do you think is more likely to be compromised by bias
A) a person who runs an antivaccine blog posting the results of a poll of 500 of his antivaccine blog readership
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B) decades of literature conducted by PhDs and MDs at universities, labs, and agencies across the world, compiled and analyzed by buildings upon buildings full of people whose job it is to review, analyze, critique, and conduct research
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Definantly B when all of those people work for the deep state***
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Re: Definantly B when all of those people work for the deep state***
Nov 1, 2023, 10:37 AM
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This is essentially what antivax and COVID conspiracy people are saying. People have allowed this anti-establishment populist bullcrap has pickled people’s brains beyond repair.
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I prefer to look across the pond for covid info and studies
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Nov 1, 2023, 1:51 PM
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Israel, Singapore, India, Japan, Hong Kong, China, Brazil, etc.
There has been a palpable suppression of information in the US, which has caused blowback. CDC lies. Fauci lies. On this I agree with the nutjobs. It's the motivations and reasons for the lies I disagree with the nuts about. Since day one I'd see a study in some foreign country. It explains a lot. I then see it contradicts the CDC/Fauci/whatever message. Then it becomes obvious the study was correct. Then one day, months later, the CDC does some study, then admits they were wrong, and act shocked or surprised.
This is the canned covid response by public health in the US:
There is no evidence of (whatever is scary). That's it.
Now, if you seek no evidence, you're guaranteed to find no evidence. THEN, you can say there is no evidence. Then dolts take that to mean whatever it is, isn't so, when in fact it is. And then when they can no longer say "there is no evidence" in the face of GLARING evidence, they do some study, and do a 180 on their prior statements, and act shocked and surprised. Rinse and repeat. Over and over and over.
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Re: I prefer to look across the pond for covid info and studies
Nov 1, 2023, 9:59 PM
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Ooops.
I didn’t read far enough down when responding to one of your previous posts.
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Please post a link to the data like I'm an idiot. Thanks.
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Nov 1, 2023, 11:10 AM
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Wait, I found the source of the data. Nevermind. I'll quote the source, with a link of course, just in case you missed it.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/we-have-won-the-covid-vaccine-killed
We have been vindicated. The COVID vaccine killed hundreds of thousands of Americans and now we can prove it to anyone who will listen
Thank you to the 547 readers who filled out my survey. The results prove they lied to us about the COVID vaccine. It is a disaster. We now have an objective way to prove they lied to us.
I sweater goodness he posted a form on his substack, funneled in all the antivax nuts (who are the only people who waste time reading his drivel) to fill out the form, then used that "data" to "prove" his point. Really, this was an amazing piece of scholarly statistical analysis. I mean I could go to a GOP message board, post a link to a substack with a form asking questions about Biden's performance as President, then use that data to conclusively prove Biden is a horrible President.
Oh, it gets better. If you contact him, he will provide data on the 547 anti-vaccine nuts who filled out the form on his substack, as long as you're a scientist who has published at least 20 papers that have been cited at least 20 times.
JFC
And as a side note, I'll post something that concerns me 1,000 times more than your source.
From the nutjobs at the University of North Carolina School of Medicine.
https://news.unchealthcare.org/2023/10/researchers-show-sars-cov-2-infection-affects-energy-stores-in-the-body-causing-organ-failure
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How many people
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do you think have been killed by the vaccine?
Do you think kids under 12 should be vaccinated?
Do you think males aged 12-18 should be vaccinated?
Why or why not?
I know you believe the risk of COVID is greater than the risk of the jab, but then there's that troubling Cleveland Clinic study.
I never claimed this was authoritative. Just evidence of the troubling drumbeat of vax injury/death claims. And we agree that the US gubmint can't be trusted to tell the truth in all this.
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Re: How many people
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Kirsch, IMO, isn’t a great source as far as data interpretation. He does have value in that he gets the attention of people to be skeptical, and to arouse curiosity among the public.
Harvey Risch, however, is one of the few high level, highly respected ‘COVID vax heretics.’ That Kirsch referenced Risch underscores the real value of Kirsch’s blogs.
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LOL
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That's why the stupid process of hand-washing for doctors before treating patients never caught on.
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Re: I would like for you to explain to me what this vague bar graph
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This is a graph of number of deaths following doses 2 and greater in 28 day buckets. It is supposed to be even height for the first 6 bars. As you can see, the first bar is a huge problem. There is NO QUESTION as to the cause. Risch is one of the world's top epidemiologists
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Re: Don't forget your boosters, kids.
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The source for this chart, made to look like actual data and posted here as some sort of undeniable truth, is from self-reported data from 547 of his antivax blog readers/subscribers. You can see his summary in the link below, with a link inside that explaining his “methodology.”
This is essentially as far from the scientific method as you can possibly get, but people who are scientifically illiterate cannot tell the difference, and it simply feels to them like evidence to back up preconceptions. The author and readers of an antivax blog have created “data” that “proves” their antivax position. Shocking.
My 7 year old has better critical thinking skills.
https://kirschsubstack.com/p/we-have-won-the-covid-vaccine-killed
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Re: Don't forget your boosters, kids.
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Once you have witnessed side effects from the vaccines and attended a funeral you lose interest in any “data” or “studies” from anyone. You just tend to open your eyes and look around you.
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Absolutely right. Once you see one child get gunned down
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you push for every single gun in America to be confiscated.
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Re: Absolutely right. Once you see one child get gunned down
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What a dumb response. Did I say I was pushing to eliminate vaccines? Show me where I said that please. I’m simply saying that I have seen the potential dangers. If you want to take a dang booster every day go for it. As for me and my family we opted out and it had been the right choice for us. Hope that’s fair enough.
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I think he's moreso...
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Poking massive holes in your anecdotal evidence being applied to a bigger discussion.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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I realize my experience is anecdotal. I do not deny that. But it’s my experience. It’s what I have personally witnessed. Therefore, it’s fair that I draw my personal conclusions based on my anecdotal evidence.
My decision to not take the vaccine was before any of my “anecdotal” evidence. It was based simply on my understanding of science and how the body works (natural immunity). My anecdotal evidence of vaccine injury and death only confirmed that my decision to opt out was sound for additional reasons.
As I have always maintained, people who want the shots should take them.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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What are you referring to when you say natural immunity? I assume you mean adaptive immunize response? Can you give everyone a two to three sentence summary of the adaptive immune response, or maybe just some of the cell lines involved and the basic gist? I feel like simply knowing the word “antibodies” doesn’t necessarily translate to an understanding of human pathophysiology.
I read two textbooks on immunology and was tested on them, and I feel like I have an extremely rudimentary understanding of it, with virtually zero knowledge of the nuances or the biochemistry. “Just enough knowledge to be dangerous” as they say. Certainly not enough that I feel comfortable or confident questioning someone who studies viruses or vaccines for a living.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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Let me just give you my basic definition of a vaccine and it should answer the questions. A vaccine is an “artificial attempt to create an immune response to a pathogen similar to the way the body would respond to the pathogen after having been infected”. So natural immunity is the bodies future response based on previous exposure. Your vaccine is attempting to do what my body has done when exposed to the virus post infection. My family and I had Covid in Dec 2020 just before the vaccines were available. We opted out based on this previous exposure. We have had zero reinfections in these past 3 years. Seems natural immunity is working just fine for us. That’s all I have been saying through this whole thing. If someone can’t understand my position or don’t agree then that’s their problem. Nothing wrong with my position.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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So you understand that antigens are used to produce clonal lines of T cells that produce very specifically conformed antibodies unique to that antigen, and that the rapid mutation of things like coronavirus, influenza viruses, rhinoviruses, etc means that you will be presented with unique antigens at each new exposure.
This is the basic explanation for why you can catch colds every year, or why there has never been a vaccine for the common cold.
If you don’t want to take the vaccine boosters, then choose this as your rationale, that it is very likely that the unique strain chosen for the vaccine will be different than what you encounter in the wild. That’s at least what I tell myself and why I don’t really want boosters. But to assume you already have antibodies is likely incorrect, and it’s more likely you’ve just been lucky.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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I do understand what you just posted. I also understand that when a virus mutates it tends to do so in a weaker. So, having been exposed to “big boy” in 2020 I’ll take my chances vs a vaccine with potential side effects. If we are just lucky we must be far more lucky than our fully vaccinated friends who have all had secondary infections. We have been exposed to the virus countless times over the past 3 years so I would say it’s more than luck.
I just don’t understand why anyone would keep jabbing themselves to potentially protect themselves from a weakening virus. It defies logic to me.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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While that might be generally true, it’s certainly not guaranteed that mutations will always lead to a less virulent product. Every now and then something with just the wrong blend of virulence and transmissibility comes along…. Like sars cov 2.
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Wouldn't a vaccine that still allows one to contract the virus increase
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the possibility of that happening, similar to what you see with antibiotic resistance?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Azg816mdbeM
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Re: Wouldn't a vaccine that still allows one to contract the virus increase
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Not necessarily, maybe only indirectly if you consider a new host to facilitate additional opportunities for mutation, but when you consider the ludicrous and logarithmic viral loads and the short replication cycle, it’s basically irrelevant.
Antibiotic resistance is a little different, in that overuse of antibiotics and especially incomplete courses of antibiotics will preferentially select the bacteria who have inherent resistance to that particular antibiotic mechanism of action and selectively force evolution.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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I have a question. Are you in the camp that believes my decision to opt out based on previous infection is endangering other people?
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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I can’t give you a very scientific answer here. If pushed to give an answer I guess I’d say on an individual basis probably no, on a population wide basis maybe yes. Herd immunity and limiting the number of vectors make sense.
But that’s the challenge for people like those at the CDC right? They have to consider populations not individuals, and usually that means looking out for the weakest.
At the doctor’s office you might not wear a mask for yourself, but you wear one because the person next to you might be going through chemo and could die from a cold that you barely notice.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
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Nov 1, 2023, 1:40 PM
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I agree about wearing a mask around vulnerable people. I worked for a lot of years in ER and CCU. My issue with those who have labeled me as “incubator of death” is that my natural immunity is not putting anyone in danger more than the vaccinated group. Every single vaccinated friend we have has had at least 2 infections. Can I assume they were just “unlucky?” No, I assume they are no more protected than me and at least equally able to spread infection.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
Nov 1, 2023, 2:50 PM
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Because of your experience in working in hospitals you may have practices that decrease the chances that you infect yourself with the virus. Also, you may not be exposed to the number of people infected with the virus when compared to who you know.
With something like this, it is tough to compare your situation to others and expect to extrapolate meaningful data/trends
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Re: I think he's moreso...
Nov 1, 2023, 9:22 PM
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I have not worked in health care in 20 years. I’m self employed.
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Re: I think he's moreso...
Nov 1, 2023, 10:32 PM
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That you lack the confidence to be curious about the controversy about the efficacy vs safety with respect to COVID vaccines, despite having put forth the effort to read two textbooks on immunology, drives me crazy.
Of course neither you, nor I, know as much about the factors which relate to an immunological response as those who are professional immunologists.
First, I should have asked: Are you, or had you ever been, either employed as -or- worked closely with person(s) who conducted either university research, agency research, non-government entity research, or non-government product / process development work? This question is not intended to disparage you (or anyone else reading this who might think this question applies to him / her). Rather, the question simply speaks to life experiences that might lend perspective about why & how ‘lesser skilled’ people with science &/or engineering background find grounds to not only dare to question the conclusions drawn by ‘higher skilled’ people … and to sometimes be proven to be correct when disputing the conclusions from those of ‘higher skilled’ people.
(*). My message is that it is not just rare, but rather, common, for a ‘high skilled’ person’s judgements / conclusions on a technical matter to be either proven wrong -or-to be established as not being proven as true by ‘lesser skilled’ person(s).
It’s OK if the ‘lesser skilled’ person(s)’ challenges are proven to not be valid. It’s also OK if the ‘higher skilled’ person(s) original findings are proven to be true after being challenged.
(*). The entire basis for good science (or engineering design endeavors) is for robust challenges. Too much peer review work over the past several decades in the USA is not intended to try to find faults in an original tidy. Rather, peer review has devolved into an exercise in cheer leading for a ‘cause’ that is near and dear to the entities that provide grant funding.
(*). No one should feel intimidated by expressing suspicion about a scientific / engineering finding. Analysis of data doesn’t require a deep understanding of, in this instance, immunology. If a person is curious and willing to immerse himself in a topic, he may indeed recognize cases when the ‘experts’ are spreading fertilizer instead of the truth. It is important to speak up when seeing that.
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So then apply his gun analogy
Nov 1, 2023, 11:44 AM
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If someone has one personal negative experiences with guns, such as a David Hogg type, and thus believes nothing good comes from guns at all, we would know they're letting an emotional anecdotal piece of evidence cloud real data that states otherwise, right?
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And why do you think most people have stopped getting boosters
Nov 1, 2023, 10:26 AM
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after the second/third round?
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I can tell you why I stopped getting boosters
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Nov 1, 2023, 12:21 PM
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1. I was vaxxed and boosted and still got covid. Once 2 months after my 2nd vaccine and the other several months after the booster. It will not prevent disease and I am not afraid of getting covid.
2. My wife was put in the hospital for 3 days a few hours after the second covid shot. She now sees a cardiologist for life.
I'll discuss with my doctor next month, but zero chance my wife ever gets another vaccine.
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Very sorry to hear this.
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Nov 1, 2023, 1:15 PM
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Hope your wife recovers fully.
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She's doing great
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Nov 1, 2023, 2:13 PM
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No problems since. It's a bit of a blessing because we are eating much better and exercising and our health has improved in other ways.
It was scary, I had to call 911. The cardiologist showed up in the hospital room, which is rare unless they are truly worried about something.
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Cool twitter research, buddy***
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:27 AM
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Re: Cool twitter research, buddy***
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:29 AM
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A blogger posted a poll for his readers then makes a bar chart. This is what people consider to be “doing their research.”
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And unfortunately many people died because of this ####***
Nov 1, 2023, 10:33 AM
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Darwin Awards***
Nov 1, 2023, 10:37 AM
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If only Dwight would have known
Nov 1, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Make sure to research Twitter first.***
Nov 1, 2023, 1:53 PM
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cReAtE yOuR oWn ReSeArCh.***
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Re: Don't forget your boosters, kids.
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When Twitter tells them men can give birth or that the world will be uninhabitable in a few years the left wing morons lap it up without question. But when Twitter tells them that just perhaps maybe the vaccines aren't a great idea for everyone of all ages they suddenly want to see peer reviewed documents otherwise they claim you're just making stuff up due to being politicized. In other words they are easily duped morons.
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I really appreciate everyone's input, and all of the information
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Nov 1, 2023, 12:33 PM
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and opinions available here, but when it comes to medical advice, I still value the opinions of my personal doctors whom I trust, because they have literally saved my life, over anything I can glean here or on the interwebs.
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Re: I really appreciate everyone's input, and all of the information
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Nov 1, 2023, 12:37 PM
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This is really the crux of the matter. The people who talk big and bad about corrupt hospitals and doctors still run to the ER when they are in pain or sick, just like everyone else. They do tend to make worse patients though.
Nobody prefers to clutch their colloidal silver, coffee enemas, or horse paste when it’s their own life at stake, only the lives of theoretical others.
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I'm sure there are corrupt doctors, and incompetent doctors as well,
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Nov 1, 2023, 12:56 PM
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and good doctors who make mistakes. Fortunately, I have not experienced any of that with the group of doctors who keep me going. If somebody has doctors they don't trust, for any reason, they have the wrong doctors. If a person doesn't trust any doctors, anywhere, then they have psychological problems that need to be addressed.
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Re: I'm sure there are corrupt doctors, and incompetent doctors as well,
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Nov 1, 2023, 10:46 PM
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Be sure to ask your physician, if he / she recommends a vaccine, to tell you whether the vaccine in question is approved under a EUA (Emergency USA Authorization) or under a full approval.
FYI, the new COVID vaccine is EUA.
In the event of harm to you from taking a EUA vaccine, you have no legal recourse to sue your medical provider, the doctor’s office / hospital / drug store / pharmacy section of the tat parlor / vaccine manufacturer.
On the other hand, if the vaccine is fully approved by the FDA, then, in the event of harm from the vaccine, legal options are available to you.
If your doctor poo-poos your concerns about any EUA vaccine, consider postponing your shot with that doctor and get a second opinion from another doctor. Keep in mind that it is (legally speaking) advantageous for a physician to administer a EUA vaccine vs. a vaccine that is fully approved by the FDA.
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I don't feel the need to do that.
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Nov 2, 2023, 8:40 AM
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Like I said, I trust my doctors, for good reason. There's absolutely nothing wrong with asking, as you suggest, however, and you have every right to do so. Like I said, when it comes to medical advice, I trust my doctors far more than social media, the internet, or fellow T-Netters, no matter how well intentioned (as I'm sure it is). I understand it's not always possible, but I would suggest that people keep looking until you find a doctor or doctors whose medical advice you can trust, especially with things like vaccines, and that are willing to have that conversation with you if you ask. I have been very fortunate in that regard. Like I said before, if you continually question or fail to accept the advice of your doctor, you either have the wrong doctor, or you have other issues that need to be addressed.
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Truth
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Nov 1, 2023, 4:30 PM
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I keep my license active though I am retired, so I can prescribe on rare occasions antibiotics for UTI's or Zofran for family members with gastroenteritis which is going through Greenville now.
A neighbor who is a big antivaxer got chippy with me when I refused to prescribe her an antibiotic for what was obviously just a cold.
She had lectured me on the evils of the COVID vaccine, but then took it poorly when I told her since she wasn't immediate family that I wouldn't feel comfortable nor would it be appropriate to prescribe her anything, but that even if she were my wife, I wouldn't prescribe a Z-Pak for a viral condition.
She sneered and told me her PCP had given her Z-Pak for colds before and it always worked.
I suspect many of the most vociferous critics of the vaccine are the same people who bug the hell out of their PCP seeking antibiotics for viral URI's.
BTW, Lunge people, do NOT take Colloidal Silver. We had a patient in our practice who was literally blue from ingesting that shizz. That alone would make it difficult to safely go into Witness Protection should your nefarious activities make that a necessity.
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Re: Truth
Nov 1, 2023, 10:53 PM
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Thank you for warning everyone to avoid colloidal silver for … everything.
That is, except for Gold Line’s special issue Benjamin Franklin bottle of colloidal silver. Just purchase $25,000 for your first 99.9% pure gold limited edition Zelenskyy 1 oz. coin, and get your Ben Franklin colloidal silver for FREE!
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So here's how we could do this thread the right way
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Nov 1, 2023, 2:22 PM
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Instead of the snarky comment, which obviously points to anti-vaxxer, and then posting a link to this sketchy survey, you could have done something like this:
"Hey guuuuuys, I came across this poll Steve Kirsch did. Kinda seems interesting but what do y'all think. Discuss?"
When you post #### like this as if it's definitive fact, you're going to look foolish when people tear it down for its sketchiness and request legitimate peer-reviewed studies.
The peer review process is pretty #### crucial for information like this. It has served as a way to prevent harmful misinformation from disseminating out into the public. You know who puts such harmful information out nowadays? Conspiracy guys on social media who don't know how to conduct scientific studies.
Maybe we all need to have healthy discussions over the vaccines and see what we can find out; instead, we've got your crowd demanding the world accept your conspiracy "evidence" that it's harmful without much substance.
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