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Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:20 AM
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If I understand this correctly, there’s basically no scholarship limit anymore. If a school wants a player and doesn’t have a scholly available, it really doesn’t matter. They can offer him enough NIL , to more than cover that, right? If this is true, it’s over. The bigger schools will have like 100-110 quality players and injuries and depth won’t be a big deal. It will be like the olds when a few teams could stockpile players . This is the end of the sport that we all love. By not getting out in front of this thing and figuring out a fair and equitable way to compensate the players , it’s the Wild West?????!
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:44 AM
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College sports is vastly becoming a joke.
Your team will only be as good as the depth of your alum's pockets. All about the big bucks!!
I love my Tigers and support them. But unless we have the $$$ to stay competitive I don't see us winning many National
Championships!!!
Think I will stick with Dabo regardless especially if he leaves college sports and coaches my Raiders!!!
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 8:46 AM
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Posting this on a top comment because people here seem to have no idea how these schools are getting around NCAA rules. This is a real Texas booster group and how they pay players.
"And, actually, there’s a distinction, I should say, between inducements and attractions. These players can’t be induced to come to UT on the promise that they’ll be paid money. But, for example, there’s a booster group called Surly Horns, and they have a fund called the Burnt Ends Fund. It pays all the tight ends on the UT roster, $10,000 each and, in exchange, they have to show up at certain dinners, they have to do some kind of media activities where they appear on podcasts and YouTube and such to promote this event. But you can’t just be given money with no services that are attached to it. The student athlete has to perform some kind of service for the money."
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:54 AM
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What you described is true in terms that walkons can get NIL deals. Some kid would have to get paid a whole lot more than cost of attendance to sit on the bench and provide depth if they are any good.
Most players are in the portal because they are not getting the playing time they want or desire. That would not be any different under the scenario you outlined.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:03 AM
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What if these NIl deals become 4 year contracts? If an 18 year old kid agees to it , and I’m not saying that’s a bad thing, then he’s contractually committed . He won’t be able to just up and transfer. People will say , “ no way these are going to be multiple year deals “. Just wait. I think we will all be stunned at how much money some alums will put into it. Remember, if they have very successful and profitable businesses, this is a deductible expense.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:55 AM
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It's pretty much over.
This is what Texas is doing.
"Being discussed around outdoor fire pit(s) in Salida earlier this fall was an idea, for football, of building a fund of $8.5 meg yearly to pay every scholarship player $100,000 as a base under NIL. Players would be able - and assisted - to find other NIL-legal income streams on top of the base. "
The above is already funded with 10 million dollars and called the 'CLARK FIELD COLLECTIVE' which pays every scholarship athlete 100,000 per year.
They also have 'THE PANCAKE FACTORY' which gives every scholarship offensive lineman 50,000 dollars per year.
So every scholarship offensive lineman will be making 150k per year. If they stay 5 years they make a MINIMUM 750,000 dollars before individual NIL deals.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 6:57 AM
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We dont even know what Phil Knight and his 65 billion dollars has in store. He created 'DIVISION STREET' to pay Oregon's players.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:00 AM
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Texas really has no excuse not to win the CFP or equivalent in the next three years.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:12 AM
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The more I think about it , the sicker I get. Just think about that 3rd year player , who has been maybe all conference or all American and is proven and possibly has 2 years of eligibility left. He’ll basically become a free agent and let the bidding begin. It’s going to get ugly.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:11 AM
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All of which are illegal under NCAA rules. NIL rules cannot be contingent on where you play. “pay for play” is still very much against the rules.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:14 AM
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It is now in high school in several states.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:45 AM
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Actually it is making it easier. The old system everyone knew to keep it hush hush. The “pancake club” is against the rules on its face. The NCAA has already let it be known that they’re investigating. So, the players that accept these type deals will be ineligible. It’s the Wild West right now but some poor non-Power 5 school will get the SMU treatment and everything will calm
Down.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:31 AM
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NCAA changed the rules over the summer. It's now all legal.
It now states "if a college athlete lives in a state where legislation has been passed, they can profit from their name, image, or likeness according to state law."
These 'non profits' are paying their scholarship athletes for 'their name, image, or likeness' and the states these colleges are in are passing the laws in senate so its all legal.
For example in Texas. They passed the Texas NIL law in their senate in March. Texas NIL law states
"Texas NCAA Student-Athletes will be able to earn compensation for the use of her or his name, image, or likeness (NIL) through a multitude of different opportunities. Student-Athletes can now make money for things such as endorsements, sponsorships, appearances, autographs, memorabilia, podcasts, camps, clinics, private lessons, crowdfunding, and many other opportunities!"
All this crap is actually completely legal now according to the NCAA. It is absolutely unfair they left it up to each individual state to pass their own laws for it to be legal or not.
Oregon's NIL law was passed July 1st. South Carolina passed their law in March so if we find a booster have at it...
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 7:50 AM
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You are not understanding the distinction. You are absolutely able to profit (as I absolutely believe you should and the Supreme Court agrees) from your NIL. However, paying a kid to play football for a certain school then using him in some marketing material after the fact is not NIL, it’s pay to play. And NIL cannot be contingent on where you are playing or even if you are playing. Any NIL deal that says you have to play X amount and/or for Y team is not allowed. Apparently lots of people struggle with this distinction or don’t understand the rule, which will make the NCAAs job easier as teams like Texas and BYU are openly advertising that they are cheating.
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Doesn’t this allow a PERFECT loophole for “pay-2-play”?
Dec 13, 2021, 8:01 AM
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Now there can be the written contract with all of the legal wording that walks right up to the line without crossing it, with that final verbal nod that says “none of this counts unless you’re playing for Texas”.
Perfectly legal, but with that little clause in the fine print that says “BOTH parties may TERMINATE this agreement FOR ANY ANY REASON”. Then, the kid KNOWS that if he leaves Texas, his money gets pulled.
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Re: Doesn’t this allow a PERFECT loophole for “pay-2-play”?
Dec 13, 2021, 8:40 AM
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I’m certain that folks will figure out how to cheat - but that’s always been a part of college sports (all sports really). But the pancake club and the thing at BYU pay people specifically for playing a certain position at a certain school and they’ve advertised it publicly. NIL is supposed to be for players whose name, image, and likeness already has real value. Large markets teams will have an advantage here because there are far more businesses that might actually use players in the manner intended. Star players, projected Heisman QBs (i.e. DJU this past preseason)will have marketability to larger national brands like Dr Pepper. But Dr Pepper couldn’t hold DJU to playing for Clemson or change his compensation based on performance, or even if he ever saw the field. They paid for what was thought to be a Heisman candidate. I also imagine flops like that are going to have brands quickly re-examining if they want to be in the business of using endorsements from collegiate players. What percent of NFL players actually have national brand endorsement deals. It’s probably pretty low. Over time I expect it to be way lower for the college kids.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 8:11 AM
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This is how Texas explains how its completely legal with the NCAA.
"And, actually, there’s a distinction, I should say, between inducements and attractions. These players can’t be induced to come to UT on the promise that they’ll be paid money. But, for example, there’s a booster group called Surly Horns, and they have a fund called the Burnt Ends Fund. It pays all the tight ends on the UT roster, $10,000 each and, in exchange, they have to show up at certain dinners, they have to do some kind of media activities where they appear on podcasts and YouTube and such to promote this event. But you can’t just be given money with no services that are attached to it. The student athlete has to perform some kind of service for the money."
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 9:12 AM
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There argument is that because they being used in a NIL capacity then it isn’t a violation. The compensation is still contingent on where they play - they aren’t meaningfully using the specific player’s endorsement. I don’t believe that the NCAA will accept this and is why the the NCAA took the somewhat unprecedented step of letting it be known they are investigating all the schools that have announced these types of programs. It seemed like a warning shot to the schools to get their sh*t straight.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 9:23 AM
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The way the NCAA has made the laws its up to the states to enforce and pass the nil laws. So what if the NCAA said billionaire boosters violated a rule do you think that state is going to go after their own billionaires? Absolutely nothing will happen.
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Re: Someyunguy is here to tell us all how it works,
Dec 13, 2021, 7:39 AM
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Well I graduated from Clemson with an Econ degree. I guess they just didn't teach me good enuf
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Don't blame it on Clemson. This confusion is all on YOU!
Dec 13, 2021, 8:36 AM
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Re: Don't blame it on Clemson. This confusion is all on YOU!
Dec 13, 2021, 8:42 AM
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coot
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No, check out my post history. How many Coots have a
Dec 13, 2021, 9:22 AM
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100% pulse rating and have been a Tigernet member since 2002? That would be no one!
I lived in B-518 Johnstone Hall in the late 70's and early 80's. I was a manager at Bollwinkles (dance bar next to the KFC). I paid my own way at Clemson working several jobs to get my B.S. in Civil Engineering. I retired as a Civil Engineer in 2019, and after a year later I created my own company and I now work specifically on transportation projects.
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Re: Serious question about NIL?
Dec 13, 2021, 8:32 AM
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Where are you getting that idea? When did the NCAA allow a no scholarship limit and for schools to pay athletes? NIL is not run by schools because an athlete that signs a contract is nothing more than a self-employed individual.
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