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CU Guru [1315]
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Does any sane person believe the J6 inquiry is legitimate
Jun 9, 2022, 2:42 PM
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or even needed?
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for a guy scared of debating, you sure post a lot.***
Jun 9, 2022, 2:43 PM
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70% of Americans do.
Jun 9, 2022, 2:48 PM
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Republicans don't.
Wonder why that is?
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Re: 70% of Americans do.
Jun 9, 2022, 3:08 PM
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70% of Americans? Just want to clarify where that number is coming from.
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Re: 70% of Americans do.
Jun 9, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Because 30% of Americans can think for themselves?
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Re: 70% of Americans do.
Jun 10, 2022, 6:02 AM
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38.2% of Americans have been conned by trump, one of the best con artists in US history.
Trump goes to bed every night thinking his followers are dumber than he thought the day before.
He is laughing is a$$ off on a daily basis.
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Re: 70% of Americans do.
Jun 10, 2022, 6:12 AM
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Well at least he’s gone and things are great now under democrat rule.
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it's the most important issue facing the USA right now***
Jun 9, 2022, 6:49 PM
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The fact that so many ppl have shown they will..
Jun 9, 2022, 7:10 PM
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passionately believe whatever a 2 bit hack salesman will feed them. A man that will clearly put his personal ego ahead of his country.
That some of them then led a riot at the Capital...while the President watched and repeatedly enjoyed it, that flew a confederate flag in the Capital for the first time ever, that continue to spread lies and actively foster a hatred of truth...and on and on.
Yes, that is more important than inflation and the price of gas. Got dang right it is.
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Yes, it is legitimate and it certain is needed...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:02 PM
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House GOP made huge mistake by choosing not to honestly participate.
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*certainly****
Jun 9, 2022, 3:03 PM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Tell ‘em Kinzinger
Jun 9, 2022, 3:06 PM
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Horse poop...the GOP was allowed to participate...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:11 PM
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from the beginning. Kevin McCarthy put forth 5 names and 2 were rejected because they would likely be witnesses (one was). McCarthy knew this would happen going in. Was a huge mistake not to put 5 members of his choosing on the committee.
And I'm happy to be compared to Kinzinger. Bet you couldn't pick many issue positions where you differ with him! But because he doesn't love to smell Trump farts, he's an outcast. It's really very sad.
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Re: Horse poop...the GOP was allowed to participate...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:25 PM
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You spouting it doesn't make it true...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:33 PM
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You want to talk about a predetermined outcome in one instance and think it made sense to put Jim Jordan and Jim Banks on the committee after their actions and statements prior to the committee being formed. That's truly laughable.
You can't really be serious to say that not letting Jim Jordan and Jim Banks on the committee is an illustration that the committee's outcome was predetermined. Even you can't really believe that, right?
In the end, the whole thing could indeed be a fraud, but you proclaiming that before the actual hearings are aired is proving the same point about your own views. You get that, right?
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Re: You spouting it doesn't make it true...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:38 PM
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Kinzinger and Cheney are principled....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:41 PM
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there is absolutely no other reason for them to take the stances they have. It's certainly not a good move politically.
You KNOW many many in the GOP don't agree with Trump's tactics and think Jan 6 was horrendous...look at the communication that day as a good example and look how McCarthy has changed after getting on Trump's bad side....but are putting self-preservation above duty to country.
I respect the heck out of Kinzinger and Cheney and wish there were a lot more true conservatives like them in Congress.
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Re: Kinzinger and Cheney are principled....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:00 PM
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Dang man...if the storming of the Capital in an....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:02 PM
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effort to stop the actions of Congress doesn't deserve an investigation....what does?
This hasn't been litigated or fully investigated prior to this committee.
Did you support the call for a 9/11-style independent commission?
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You've already posted about this at least 3 times,
Jun 9, 2022, 3:05 PM
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you worthless, spamming troll. Seek attention elsewhere. You didn't win anything, and you're not enlightening anybody. Nobody cares what you have to say, because nobody likes you, even a little bit.
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The board was objectively better when he was gone.***
Jun 9, 2022, 3:08 PM
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nope***
Jun 9, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Sure - the capital was stormed and violently breached in
Jun 9, 2022, 3:10 PM
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a very disturbing and un-American way. It demands to be investigated. The way it's being handled, however, is not a serious, honest investigation or inquiry; rather it's nothing but a one-sided political witch hunt which has now resulted in this comedic prime-time sham that is being unveiled tonight. And the reasons for it are so transparent it's pathetic - they don't even care if people know how petty and corrupt they are; they are openly playing to and rallying their base.
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All-In [31896]
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Honest question(s)...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:16 PM
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How is it you know that it hasn't been an honest investigation/inquiry?
What things should they have been looking into that you know sure they haven't and how?
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The fact that it's being broadcast in prime time tells me
Jun 9, 2022, 3:27 PM
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all I need to know. But kicking Jordan and Banks off of the committee was BS, and was a good start. The idea that one may be a witness is a BS excuse; Pelosi wasn't having anybody who would strongly oppose her agenda. Look at the committee now - it's totally stacked with people who hate Trump, who openly have an axe to grind. There's not even an attempt to pretend to be fair and objective, they have a stacked committee who wants to go prime time to make their case (campaign and rally the base). It couldn't be more clear and obvious.
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Re: The fact that it's being broadcast in prime time tells me
Jun 9, 2022, 3:31 PM
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You realize she's been part of the investigation for....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:35 PM
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months, right?
He believing something after being a part of the committee carries a lot more weight than you pronouncing something as pre-determined with no specific knowledge to support it.
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Re: You realize she's been part of the investigation for....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:38 PM
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That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:45 PM
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you said:
"Cheney said on TV the other night"
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Re: That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:59 PM
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ok...I'm open to that...please post her comments...
Jun 9, 2022, 4:01 PM
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supporting that prior to the committee starting.
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Re: ok...I'm open to that...please post her comments...
Jun 9, 2022, 4:17 PM
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Please point out the part in her statement...
Jun 9, 2022, 4:33 PM
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where she is talking about a "widespread conspiracy".
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Re: Please point out the part in her statement...
Jun 9, 2022, 4:48 PM
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Ought to be easy to quote then....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:49 PM
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please proceed.
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Re: Ought to be easy to quote then....
Jun 9, 2022, 5:16 PM
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Not lying, just wrong...or unable to prove yourself correct***
Jun 9, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Re: Not lying, just wrong...or unable to prove yourself correct***
Jun 9, 2022, 6:37 PM
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Just friggin stop it...
Jun 9, 2022, 7:05 PM
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I didn't claim they were blank slates and you dang well know it.
You said Cheney believed it was a conspiracy before the committee started. The word conspiracy means something. Either price she said that or admit you're full of crap. Those are really the only options. Either way give up on trying to argue against something I never said.
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Re: Just friggin stop it...
Jun 9, 2022, 7:13 PM
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I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 7:22 PM
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You said you saw her state this was a conspiracy the other night on TV. Pretty specific point that I commented on.
I agree they were biased...everyone is to some extent. That doesn't mean that the committee can't uncover meaningful info and evidence.
You clearly said she thought there was a conspiracy before the committee. You know that means something different or you wouldn't have used it as an example.
Keep posting if you want, but you know I know you're trying to change it now that you can't back it up.
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 7:36 PM
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 7:51 PM
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You say: "I know she was highly-biased and had strong preconceived notions about Trump". LOL, she voted with Trump 93% of his time as president. She only disagreed with him after his DISGRACEFUL ACTIONS after the election. She has more integrity in her pinky than you pinko's. She and Adam are the only congressional Pubs that put their OATH to the constitution above their own political futures, which has proven out with him not running because he knows he would lose and with Liz being behind by 20 points in her primary. Do yourself a favor and please don't ever mention the word INTEGRITY again!
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 8:01 PM
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 8:19 PM
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LOL, well, it seems you and Liz have something in common. You BOTH think that Trump was dead wrong in his actions after early December. She just stands by her oath and her integrity.
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 8:37 PM
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Re: I suspect plenty of ppl agree with me...
Jun 9, 2022, 8:44 PM
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I'll make this short for you folks on the short bus. Liz "thought he should have shut up at that point" also. If he would have, there would have been no 1/6 and there would have been a peaceful transfer of power. You really should be watching these hearings, we already now have proof that Trump KNEW that he lost and there was NO FRAUD that would have changed anything. Just like we knew all along, DJT is full of BS!
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 7:58 PM
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 8:00 PM
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You "tap out" every time you lose. No shocker!
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 8:39 PM
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 8:46 PM
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What can I say, IDIOTS motivate me to prove them wrong. LOL!
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 8:57 PM
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 9:16 PM
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LOL, wuss!
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Re: Classic***
Jun 9, 2022, 9:17 PM
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Re: That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:03 PM
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She’s right now and she was right then, there was a conspiracy in the Trump camp to try to delegitimize the election results. We all watched it in real time.
Alternate electors, cases floated to the Supreme Court, “finding votes,” stopping certification, the Giuliani side show. The more interesting information that I hope we all learn has nothing to do with the Capitol building and everything to do with the two months leading up to it, and maybe an outcome from all this that can change the weaknesses in the electoral certification act and prevent this kind of unamerican chicanery in the future.
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Re: That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Re: That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:26 PM
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"once people were there". You mean the PEOPLE that Trump himself invited to DC and followed that up with 'it's going to be wild". Those people? Do you remember another President or candidate inviting "their people" to DC for the 1/6 VP vote counting????
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Re: That's not what you said....
Jun 9, 2022, 5:24 PM
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You don't believe that the J6 protestors were summoned to DC and inspired by BS being spewed by the sitting POTUS?
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Right. To be clear, in no way am I defending Trump's actions
Jun 9, 2022, 3:49 PM
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at all. He clearly lost the election and his ego would not allow him to accept it, and he went totally off the rails as far as I'm concerned. But, did he personally direct the crazies who broke into the capital? That's a different question and I don't trust the people involved at all to be fair and objective, because they could not be more heavily, openly biased. I can't imagine a verdict holding up in any court in America under such circumstances.
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But this isn't a trial and the committee can't charge...
Jun 9, 2022, 3:58 PM
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anyone directly. I'm pretty sure only the Justice Dept can do that in this case.
I would agree if this was a trail and someone would go to jail based on this committee acting as a jury...but that's not what this is.
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I understand that, but the point is this ... the committe is
Jun 9, 2022, 4:06 PM
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totally biased and one sided and can't possibly conduct an objective investigation. I know that it's different than court, but it wouldn't stand because of the open, obvious bias and lack of objectivity. In my eyes, that makes this a sham and a witch hunt, differences notwithstanding.
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I understand and agree with that point of view, but will
Jun 9, 2022, 4:22 PM
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watch to see what they've got. If they've got sworn testimony from a credible witness who was in a position to know something, or legit documents etc, I'll believe their story. If all they do is feed crack to Trump haters and generally bash Pubs, they'll suffer for that.
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True. We'll see.***
Jun 9, 2022, 4:43 PM
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Pelosi didn't have to name reasonable people.***
Jun 9, 2022, 4:55 PM
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And she didn't. She named people who openly despise
Jun 9, 2022, 6:30 PM
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Trump and would love to see him burn.
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But whose fault is that?....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:36 PM
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if you concede that some kind of investigation was warranted:
The Trump-influenced republicans killed the 9/11-style independent commission
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McCarthy refused to participate in the House hearing with 5 reasonable people
Sorry, but that can't happen then we complain that the hearing isn't fair.
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Like I said, we have a difference of opinion.
Jun 9, 2022, 4:47 PM
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You don't think McCarthy gave Pelosi 5 reasonable people. That's your opinion - don't confuse that with fact. I have a different opinion. That's where we are.
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Imagine thinking Jim Jordan is reasonable and unbiased
Jun 9, 2022, 4:49 PM
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about anything Trump.
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All-In [49175]
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you didn't need that "Trump" on the end of that sentence.***
Jun 9, 2022, 4:53 PM
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You are out of your mind if you think Schiff, Raskin,
Jun 9, 2022, 6:08 PM
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Aguilar, and Cheney are reasonable and unbiased when it comes to Trump (not to mention Pelosi herself). They are all on the record being anti-Trump, and some have a personal axe to grind. Yet Jordan and Banks were rejected "with respect to the integrity of the investigation". The level of hypocrisy and unapologetic hyper-partisanship is stunning.
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Was there any chance Schiff, Raskin, Aguilar, Cheney, or
Jun 9, 2022, 6:31 PM
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Pelosi were going to be called to testify?
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Of course it's my opinion....
Jun 9, 2022, 4:51 PM
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and I'm pretty confident it's a reasonable one.
This is a discussion forum...most everything we say in here is opinion.
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Re: Smiling Tiger = Correct: The committee is theater
Jun 9, 2022, 10:06 PM
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As Smiling Tiger and Flow posted in your limited 'mini-thread,' the Committee has no prosecutorial or judicial meaning. This committee and its professionally produced ###### is simply political theater intended to rev up the emotionally down-trodden Democrat voter base.
Within a week after this entertainment production is over, Americans will be back in the vortex of rising prices for food, fuel, and borrowing rates ... and the job market (and higher salaries / wages that had accompanied the artificially strong job market) will keep trending downward.
The big question: What will be the next political theater that those Republicans shills for the Democrats ... e.g., those Republicans who are jealous of DJT's ongoing popularity (witness his success in the primaries as a "King Maker") ... to divert the Dem voter base away from J.Biden's burgeoning catastrophe?
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Assuming this was meant as a reply to me....
Jun 9, 2022, 3:38 PM
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I agree that putting it in primetime is a mistake. As the dems often do, they're likely overplaying their hand. I'm trying to withhold judgement until, you know, it actually happens.
Rejecting Jim Jordan and Jim Banks was most certainly not BS, given their statements and actions before the committee was formed. And yes, having potential witnesses be part of the inquiry is ludicrous. McCarthy knew they would both be rejected...he put them on to have them rejected to have an excuse not to have republican participation. He knew many would lap that up...as has been proven now.
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I guess we have a difference of opinion.***
Jun 9, 2022, 3:51 PM
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Yes, I think the inquiry is legitimate and necessary.
Jun 9, 2022, 8:36 PM
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I voted for Trump and liked a lot of what he did, despite being a jerk to a lot of people and lacking professionalism at times. But he lost me when he started talking about fraudulent results and taking back the country. He had almost no evidence to even think that the results were incorrect, and certainly not enough to publicly state that it was fraudulent.
He was irresponsible to do and say what he did. He kept pushing the stolen election narrative. While it’s conjecture to say that he intended for his followers to violently storm the Capitol, he certainly wanted to rile his base and create a reaction, resulting in mass protest. So in that regard, he is indirectly responsible.
Of course some of these hearings is about Democrats wanting to humiliate Trump; it’s revenge. But it’s also about highlighting political radicalization (which happens on both sides of the aisle). What happened on January 6th was disgusting and embarrassing. It can’t happen again.
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Re: 120,000 protesters at J6; ~ 800 arrested after 17 months
Jun 9, 2022, 10:20 PM
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None of the DJT haters understand math; they just cite the 0.7% of protesters that were arrested. Yes, after 17 months of dredging up 'suspects' the Feds can't come up with more than 800 'violent' J6 protesters from among the 120,000 who descended for a protest in Washington D.C. on J6.
Even among the arrested protesters, several were arrested for dressing like clowns and yelling. No violence, simply looking ridiculous and yelling. Spectacular goof-ball Jacob Chansley is exhibit A of someone who was arrested (41 months in the hole) and didn't do anything violent. He got arrested for looking stupid and yelling like an idiot. Yep, that's worth throwing someone in jail (as long as he supported the Orange Man Bad).
The J6 hyperbole J6 ... i.e., the most dangerous thing to the republic since the Civil War is beyond absurd.
(???) Where are the people who are outraged that the DoJ and Democrat-led Congress are not going full speed to protect the homes of the SCOTUS judges?
You want to talk about a real threat to America ... the threat to SCOTUS is beyond words.
US Senator Chuck Schumer words, whose threatening language to B.Kavanugh were horrifying, made anything uttered by DJT seem like DJT had just missed a short putt at Doral.
Does the majority of this country's citizens lack any sense of perspective???
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Re: Does any sane person believe the J6 inquiry is legitimate
Jun 10, 2022, 5:59 AM
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Does any sane person believe the Jan 6 inquiry is illegitimate?
Lock him up!
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