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Rock Defender [54]
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I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 12:37 PM
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Spankings are not responsible for people slumping over a couch in defeat because they don't get their way. In fact, they only position that person who is slumped over he couch for the proper motivation to get their butts moving in the right direction before the situation gets worse. 
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 1:11 PM
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Haha I love it.
First reaction to decades of research is "bs".
I mean really? You don't even consider for a second you could be incorrect about something especially since your own experience is anecdotal?
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Legend [17957]
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 2:11 PM
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Consider it for a second? Not at all. Those decades of research don't match the centuries of actionable review that predate it.
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All-In [42343]
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What's the cut-off age for spankings?***
Apr 26, 2016, 2:52 PM
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Legend [17957]
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When they are old enough for a jail term to apply?
Apr 26, 2016, 3:40 PM
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IDK - what do you think?
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All-In [42343]
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In SC, that's 17.
Apr 26, 2016, 3:57 PM
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Keep hittin' em at 16? Some 16 year olds are bigger than others and can hit back...
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Re: my dad died when i was 48***
Apr 28, 2016, 7:19 AM
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Mine died when I was 49 and if he had ordered me to submit to a spanking I would have wih all due respect to him. These liberals do mot get it. I feel sorry for them.
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Oculus Spirit [94260]
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Boy or girl?
Apr 26, 2016, 5:46 PM
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It's simple. Authority, accountability and responsibility get passed from parents to child in equal measures. When they learn from experience how this works life is good. If they want authority without the other two then make life tough on them.
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All-In [42343]
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Either or. That doesn't really answer the question.
Apr 26, 2016, 7:07 PM
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What happens if you keep spanking the kid and he/she one day becomes big enough to hit back?
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Re: Either or. That doesn't really answer the question.
Apr 26, 2016, 8:03 PM
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I thought I was big enough to hit back one time when I was about 17....
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All-In [42343]
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I never hit back...
Apr 27, 2016, 8:51 AM
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But one day that hand swung at me out of anger, and I caught it and made it clear that it was the last time.
And that was the end of the corporal punishment in our household.
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Oculus Spirit [94260]
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It does matter.
Apr 27, 2016, 1:15 PM
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Daughters of good fathers get broken hearts when their disappoint their father. Boys are obstinate sometimes. The most I ever gave a daughter was a sprinkling of a light <=1/8" switch on the lower legs. It leaves pink stripes the mark of a broken heart.
I never stuck a daughter after they were about nine or ten years old. Except a 13 year old who had disrespected her mother. She got half a dozen good slaps across the ### with a thick belt. She's about 40 now and still holds proper respect for mama. Her younger siblings got the message that day.
A boy, it's always a struggle of wills with those knuckleheads. To really get a boy's attention you have to inflict deep muscle bruising when they are young and a head wound which fractures their skull after the age of 12 so you can get some logic in their thick heads. I've never done that but I'm sure it will work.
My oldest son at 18 or so, decided to whip my ###. I told him to go ahead. He talked chit and I stood my ground. I baited him into coming within arm's reach but kept my hands to my side and asked him if he really wanted to hit his father. I knew he wouldn't hit me. He ran like a scalded dog. That was the last episode of 'Who's The Boss.'
None of what you read about research or studies or from internet articles will help with raising your children. The secret is to love them more than you love yourself and dedicate your life to what's best for them. The hardest part is doing for them what they don't want you to do and making them understand that it's for their benefit.
Being raised that way is a huge advantage.
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 3:11 PM
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that you have no children correct?
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 4:42 PM
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And as per usual you are incorrect.
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 4:50 PM
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Then you should know it's up to the parents to decide how to punish their kids as long as it's not child abuse and a belt across the butt is not.....
Sounds like you could of used a whooping or two coming up....
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All-In [42343]
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Now he didn't make that argument, did he?
Apr 26, 2016, 5:05 PM
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Stop going full tool in this thread.
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Re: Now he didn't make that argument, did he?
Apr 26, 2016, 5:21 PM
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It was clear what his intentions were with this thread after his response to huntclub....
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All-In [42343]
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Well, let's see
Apr 26, 2016, 6:12 PM
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"Haha I love it.
First reaction to decades of research is "bs".
I mean really? You don't even consider for a second you could be incorrect about something especially since your own experience is anecdotal?"
Nope. Don't see anywhere that he said parents shouldn't be able to decide how to raise their kids.
Here's what really happened:
1. Dareal posts a study that shows spanking kids probably has the reverse of intended results.
2. You probably have spanked your kids at some point.
3. You get typical butthurt parent rage and assume he was attacking how you parent. Cause it's all about JHop.
4. Commence another JHop temper tantrum.
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Orange Blooded [4995]
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Re: Well, let's see
Apr 26, 2016, 6:18 PM
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He was trolling and nobody is mad here....
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Well, let's see
Apr 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
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Perhaps it's because my posts tend to be backed up with scientific evidence?
That couldn't be it...
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Re: Well, let's see
Apr 27, 2016, 10:10 AM
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You're a trip....
Thanks for getting me through the day. I wish I had discovered you years ago....
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Well, let's see
Apr 27, 2016, 10:34 AM
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Rock Defender [54]
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Re: Now he didn't make that argument, did he?
Apr 26, 2016, 6:12 PM
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I was pointing out that he was dismissing decades of research based of his own anecdotal experience; I did not tell him how he should discipline his kids.
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Re: Now he didn't make that argument, did he?
Apr 26, 2016, 6:15 PM
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I didn't say you told him how to raise his kids....but you did post a study suggesting you shouldn't and then made that reply to the first poster that disagreed...
Troll?
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Oculus Spirit [81996]
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"disagree" and "calling BS" are different.***
Apr 27, 2016, 9:05 AM
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Re: I call it first - BS
Apr 26, 2016, 5:15 PM
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Where did dareal say it isn't up to the parents? I missed it.
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I think each child should be disciplined in their own way.
Apr 26, 2016, 12:56 PM
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Some respond to time outs. Some don't. My daughter doesn't (even though my wife claims she does). So I spank her. Depending on the severity of the action it could be 1 swat with my hand to her hind end but no more than 3. She may be 2, but I still explain to her why she was punished and get her to understand it.
I wish she responded to time outs. Would be a lot easier on me.
My mom did it right. Never out of anger. No more than 6 hits with the belt and never in the same place. An explanation before and after. To this day I still remember dreading the wait more than the actual spanking.
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Re: I think each child should be disciplined in their own way.
Apr 26, 2016, 1:15 PM
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Same here.
Two respond well to timeout, no TV, no ball, etc.
The other has to get a lick on the backside.
No doubt that it's probably more likely to cause issues on average but we know what's best IN our home.(just because it's "more likely" doesn't mean OUR child will be more likely)
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I believe if you start spanking
Apr 26, 2016, 1:19 PM
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or any other type of discipline early, it will head off a lot of those problems. Also you HAVE TO give an explanation of what was done wrong and your expectations going forward. Without that all you are doing is hitting your child for no reason.
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Re: I believe if you start spanking
Apr 26, 2016, 1:20 PM
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Exactly.
And don't ever do it out of anger.
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Agreed.
Apr 26, 2016, 5:16 PM
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I mean, we've all done some dumb things out of anger, so I'm not throwing stones. But hitting the child out of an angry impulse rather than a calculated punishment doesn't make you much better than the child who acted up.
I will say there are probably some times when a parent might quickly strike a child to keep them from doing something that might harm themselves. That's another story as well.
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Re: Agreed.
Apr 26, 2016, 5:18 PM
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I've got a young child that I have to constantly grab onto when were walking, etc. He isn't capable of seeing danger so I know that point firsthand.
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Oculus Spirit [94260]
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A couple of comments.
Apr 26, 2016, 4:33 PM
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The hand is for love not for chastening. Boys are different than girls. If these studies didn't recognize those factors they are worthless and a waste of time and money.
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Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and menta
Apr 26, 2016, 5:02 PM
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I got whooped, and it never got abusive. But something inside of me always was disappointed that my parents didn't know of a better way to handle it.
I know a lot of chitheads and a lot of good people, and I'd have to say that whether or not they were spanked had almost no influence. If anything, my recollection of anecdotal evidence lines up with that of the research in the OP article. The kids who got spanked the most ended up being the biggest chitheads.
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Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and menta
Apr 26, 2016, 5:14 PM
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"In fact, Gershoff and co-author Andrew Grogan-Kaylor, an associate professor at the University of Michigan School of Social Work, found that the MORE FREQUENTLY that children are spanked, the higher the risk that those kids will start to defy their parents, become aggressive, experience mental health issues, exhibit anti-social behaviors, and/or develop cognitive difficulties."
Of course, I agree with this. If a child is getting frequent spankings, something is wrong anyway.
It only took three spankings for me during my entire childhood.
I'll also add, I've seen parents slap their child in the face. That's a big no no for me. My former sister in law slapped her young daughter in my house years ago. Well, we had some not so kind words. I let her know, that won't happening in my house. Pop her on the butt if you must, but slap her on the face? Not happening.
I've also seen parents just whoop the crap out of kids in front of people at the grocery store. Another no no imho. If you must spank your child, do it while calm, talk to the child about why, etc.
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Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and menta
Apr 26, 2016, 6:18 PM
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Yeah, hitting in the noggin and calling kids "stupid" and/or implying that they're stupid for making a certain decision are no-no's in my family's households.
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Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and menta
Apr 27, 2016, 10:01 AM
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I don't know much about it, but I've been curious concerning the difference between Target and Walmart regarding childhood discipline.
You ever notice kids going off and thus the parent unleashing in the Walmart, and nobody looks askance? Whereas in a Target, it just doesn't seem like that would fit the feng shui.
Why is that? And how did the dimorphic environs evolve? Or, perhaps are they proof of intelligent design, and thus affirmation of my views on gays and bathrooms? Discuss.
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Re: Disciplinary spanking increases childhood defiance and menta
Apr 27, 2016, 10:06 AM
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I don't know but this makes me thing:
So, Trump is like the wal-mart of politicians. Extremely wealthy with shoddy business practices/morals with high appeal to the uneducated?
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I believe it.**
Apr 27, 2016, 10:57 AM
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