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Ring of Honor [23710]
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Imagine this scenario.
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Nov 18, 2024, 7:16 AM
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Imagine if I set the company sales record two years in a row, five years ago, and earned one of the highest salaries in the industry because of it. But then, the market changed—new competitors emerged, customer needs evolved, and technology shifted the game. Instead of adapting, I stuck to the same strategies that worked in the past, even as my numbers steadily declined. How long would I keep my job at that company? How long would I be exempt from criticism, especially with my massive paycheck tied to producing results? At some point, past success only buys you so much time if you’re not evolving with the times.
I think this is what I am trying to say.
I don't know the answer because no one will (or should) fire our "Bear Byrant". But it is frustrating to see the decline. Is this allowed?
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Think about it this way
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Nov 18, 2024, 7:33 AM
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Over that same career you have closed, on average, 80% of your deals, this year you are closing 80% of your deals. And since 2019, the past 5 years, you are #6 overall in the entire country in deal closing percentage, and #3 in total deals closed. All while navigating the changes you illustrated. Lastly, the income generated by your sales has brought in enough money to help other company divisions stay afloat and become competitive. All of this while representing the company as a true professional, not a blemish on your employee record from HR. I’d say that you are earning every penny.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/win_trends/?range=yearly_since_2019
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Paw Warrior [4836]
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Game. Set. Match. +1.
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Nov 18, 2024, 7:39 AM
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Nm
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Clemson Conqueror [11917]
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Re: Think about it this way
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Nov 18, 2024, 7:45 AM
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Facts! Great viewpoint Deputy Mod
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Re: Think about it this way
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Nov 18, 2024, 7:54 AM
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Also don’t forget the likely outcome that competing companies in this industry would scoop said person up immediately to capture his clients and sales
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Varsity [104]
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If you're closing on 80% of your deals while getting elite money,
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Nov 18, 2024, 12:20 PM
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You don't deserve all of that money, in any business.
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Re: If you're closing on 80% of your deals while getting elite money,
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Nov 18, 2024, 1:17 PM
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Wouldn’t it depend on the industry standard?
I happen to have it on good authority that only half (50%) of these Sales Reps close their deals on a weekly, monthly, and annual basis
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Fir $11 million annually plus perks?***
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Nov 18, 2024, 2:15 PM
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Re: If you're closing on 80% of your deals while getting elite money,
Nov 21, 2024, 11:01 AM
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I think it is even lower than that. I make on average just two new sales per year. The rest are inside sales that are essentially re-order. I sell big dollar stuff (in the millions). I would wager that I sell or perhaps 2-3% of my contacts and my company is thrilled with me.
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Re: If you're closing on 80% of your deals while getting elite money,
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Nov 19, 2024, 8:20 AM
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Any business? If I am a major league baseball player getting a hit 80% of the time I think I deserve big money in todays world. Depends on the business.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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This sounds great until
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Nov 18, 2024, 12:31 PM
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you're brought in front of the board and asked why you've consistently dropped from #1 in the country to #6 the last 5 years and forecasts are all agreeing the drop will continue while you're making more money than anyone else in your industry.
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He is not making more money than anyone in his industry.***
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Nov 18, 2024, 1:31 PM
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Ok second***
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Nov 18, 2024, 1:38 PM
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geez
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And he is 3rd in total wins during the 5 year decline
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Nov 18, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Referenced by the OP. Who on the list attached should he be making less than? I’m not trying to be difficult, or a smart behind, it’s a serious question.
https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/football/coach
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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And over the last 3 seasons he's 7th
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Nov 18, 2024, 2:09 PM
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I'm sure if you go back far enough towards 2015 you can make up all kinds of stats that he leads in or is top 5 in. But no matter how you slice it Dabo Swinney is trending DOWN
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I didnt pick the timeline.
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Nov 18, 2024, 2:15 PM
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I’m answering the OP’s timetable.
With that said, let’s say he’s 7th, who on the list do you prefer to have and/or pay more?
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I believe he's looking for the next Tommy West***
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Not saying I prefer anyone over Dabo
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Nov 18, 2024, 2:49 PM
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I prefer to Dabo begin playing modern college football before the program is ridden into the dirt.
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The game of college football is about to undergo another seismic shift, when the
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schools are finally allowed to pay players directly. That is set to happen 10/18/2025. Dabo has said, on more than one occasion, that Clemson will be in a much better position once that happens.
Now, you can take that with however many grains of salt you want, but EYE take it to mean, Clemson will have a much more equal pot of money to play with once that happens, vs what we have now relative to NIL.
I believe you will begin to see these huge NIL deals go away, once direct pay is implemented. It only makes sense that it would. NIL is a stopgap. Sure, there will still be some endorsement deals, but nothing like what is happening right now.
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Re: The game of college football is about to undergo another seismic shift, when the
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Nov 21, 2024, 7:58 AM
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That's what I'm counting on.
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We shall see but I don't see how it will have a significant impact
Nov 21, 2024, 8:35 AM
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The revenue sharing will not replace NIL. It will be in addition to NIL. Those who have an advantage via NIL will continue to have that advantage and Dabo's portal philosophy and "No NIL until you get here" philosophy will remain. But we shall see.
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We shall see
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Nov 21, 2024, 9:30 AM
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Is the attitude we all should have. There are so many variables in play right now, it’s nearly impossible to pinpoint a single factor (or pair of factors) that have contributed to us being where we are now. With that said, be wary of anyone who oversimplifies a problem and claims to know the answer without having all of the information. So we can trust those who have all the information, are paid handsomely because of their knowledge/results, and have historically done great things in their field, or we can get riled up by posters on a Internet forum with none of those qualifications. This doesn’t mean the professional is always right and the poster is always wrong, but if I am forced to bet, my money is on the professional.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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The problem is we have been
Nov 21, 2024, 9:37 AM
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"We shall see"ing for 4 years now.
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We shall see are your words.
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Nov 21, 2024, 9:40 AM
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And the counter argument to the 4 year decline argument is we’ve won the ACC Championship twice in that same 4 years. Let’s keep “decline” in perspective.
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Re: We shall see are your words.
Nov 21, 2024, 10:50 AM
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They hate the “ESPN narrative” but fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
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Winning the ACC championship
Nov 21, 2024, 12:31 PM
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isn't some monumental task. Failing to do so is a failure of a season.
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I dont think there is one ACC football coach or AD that would agree
Nov 21, 2024, 12:39 PM
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with any of that statement, but all of these thoughts are just our opinions.
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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Considering the rest of the ACC outside of FSU or Miami
Nov 21, 2024, 12:52 PM
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Don't care in the slightest about playing major college football, I imagine you're right.
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Re: And over the last 3 seasons he's 7th
Nov 21, 2024, 7:09 AM
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Trending down by who's metrics? Talking heads that say anything to get you to watch or click on a link so they make money?
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Ring of Honor [22331]
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By fact's and reality's metrics.
Nov 21, 2024, 8:41 AM
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Clemson Win % ranks
Since 2015 - 3rd
Since 2016 - 3rd
since 2017 - 4th
since 2018 - 4th
since 2019 - 6th
since 2020 - 8th
since 2021 - 8th
since 2022 - 14th
since 2023 - T17th
2024 - T14th
You'd have to be blind to not know we're on a downward trajectory
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [102349]
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You'd still be making a ton of money for your company.
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