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Conference realignment/ACC question

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:55 AM

The dominoes are starting to fall in college athletics with what looks like Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC (where, even with a 12-team playoff, their road to the playoff just got a little tougher). Now we are hearing Kansas has called the Big 10, and you can bet that we are about to see a LOT of movement. So here is a question, if the ACC could convince Notre Dame to join full-time in football, that would be 15 teams, what other school would you want to see join to make it an even 16 and perhaps help out the conference? Penn St? Would they leave the Big 10? What does West Virginia bring to the table? I am just not sure there are a ton of viable options.

I do know one thing, the ACC has to be proactive and not reactive in this. If you're reactive, you've already lost.

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All out blitz for Penn St

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:57 AM

Anything else would be a massive failure

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I'm guessing WVU joins the ACC...

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:00 PM

we lowered our standards to admit Louisville, so this isn't out of the question.

Notre Dame values their independence to an extreme degree, so it would take a lot of cash to convince them otherwise.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:02 PM

Penn State should be the major target. They have one of the largest brands in college sports and if the ACC was able to convince ND to join, and I think ND is going to have no other options, and added PSU it would give the ACC a firm grip on two major brands. Teams like WVU add nothing, have to add big brands for recruiting purposes with NIL.

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Agree Paw … but

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:32 PM

What’s in it for Penn State? The ACC seems to be 5th string in conference TV payouts. What’s your take?

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Re: Agree Paw … but

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:35 PM

That’s what I was thinking

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ACC would need a reshuffling

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:26 PM

If the SEC were to add OU and Texas to there conference, the ACC needs to do some reshuffling of current member cut the teams who are just collecting a paycheck and never earning one so to speak and add teams who would add value to the conference in more than just tv earnings but to add value to the conference as a whole. I would not mind expanding the conference again if it comes to that just want quality over just expanding cause the SEC did it. I would also be in favor of doing away with the FCS opponent and add another Power 5 team in there place, with adding more teams they will take away from more non conference games as well so your scheduling is going to have be boss to sway the powers of the ranking and playoff selection.


Teams that could be let go are BC, Wake, Cuse, Duke, Pitt, possibly NC State I want to like Pitt but they do not have a strong fan base much like the others and do not bring much to the table as a quality opponent in football which is where the money comes from.

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What are you smoking, to think the ACC would ever dump

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Jul 23, 2021, 10:38 PM

charter members Wake, Duke and NC State?

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Re: Agree Paw … but

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:50 PM

First and foremost, I do not think that any of the big 3 teams in the Big 10, OSU, Michi, and PSU are crazy about the new commissioner, and I would not reach out to PSU exclusively, OSU and Michigan would be the next calls; as none of the soon to be Big 12 relics add anything of substance.

-ND is greedy but if you get them officially on board with the ACC that immediately bumps TV revenue up. Then I would make an offer to all of the Big 3 in the Big 10 as well. While it may seem unlikely, people would have said the same thing a year ago about Texas and OU joining the SEC. As David said the ACC will have to do something and that CAN NOT BE just adding one of the soon to be former Big 12 teams. Get ND in and then pitch something to the three Big 10 teams, maybe something sticks.

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No more "city" teams.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:44 PM

Miami, Pittsburgh and Louisville are enough.

Penn State or UCF make more sense. UCF is the largest university in Florida.

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Don't see UCF happening due to FSU & Miami

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:07 PM

They wouldn't want to deal w/ having to contend w/ another league school for recruits in the state on top of already dealing w/ Florida & other schools competing for top talent.

I think it comes down to 2 of the following 3: Notre Dame, West Virginia, & Cincinnati. Penn State would be a tall task to convince to leave the Big Ten, even with Warren's rocky start as the league's boss man.

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UCF is a "city team." They are located in Orlando.

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:19 PM

What's wrong with schools located in cities? So are Georgia Tech, Florida State, NC State, etc., but I didn't see you list them as problematic.

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Jul 23, 2021, 10:43 PM



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UCF? Seriously????

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:33 PM

They would add no credibility to the ACC.

SEC: WE JUST ADDED OKLAHOMA!!!!

ACC: We see your Oklahoma and raise you UCF!!!

SEC: ??????????????????????????

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UCF is the largest school in the entire COUNTRY!!***

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Jul 24, 2021, 11:44 AM

When you get a FL drivers license they enroll you in the school. Gets numbers up.

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Baylor, OK State and TCU

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:05 PM

Go to 18 - Texas recruiting.

Obviously ND and PSU preferred.

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I have more confidence in the ACC being proactive now...

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:10 PM

that I would have if Swofford was still in charge.

Notre Dame definitely needs to become a full member, but if you eliminate Divisions, there is no need to add any other teams.

If you wanted to maintain Divisions and add another team, once Notre Dame is on board, talk to Penn State first. If they decline, I'm talking to West Virginia and Oklahoma State next.





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Jul 23, 2021, 12:10 PM

Penn State and West Va as 15 and 16 would be great. Would rather ND stay independent in FB and keep the 5 game scheduling format in place like we have. I don't know why folks get so bent out of shape about their football program not being in a conference. I appreciate the historic rivalries in CFB and would hate to see the game lose more of those due to expansion like we saw with Texas / A&M and Oklahoma / Nebraska.

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B10 will solidify their position quickly

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:11 PM

So were not getting a B10 team

That leaves the ACC to pick at the B12 carcass ... so ...

West Virginia ... come on down.

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Re: B10 will solidify their position quickly

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:24 PM

I think you are right on with this. I would worry about losing teams to the BIG vs. us being able to poach from them. Duke, UNC, UVA and Pitt are all AAU uni's. Hell they could get super crazy since nothing makes sense anymore and go into the Big 12 and go after Arizona, another AAU school. The ACC will be relegated to UCF and the likes.

If it comes out that one of the ACC uni's are talking to the BIG then Clemson needs to get on the phone with the SEC instantly and get it moving. Its not about T.V. markets anymore so you can throw that out of the window.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:42 PM

All the ACC programs signed over their grant of media rights for something like the next 25 years as part of the ACCN launch. None of the existing schools are going anywhere anytime soon.


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Jul 23, 2021, 12:50 PM

Actually it only extends to 2027. Still should help with this current round of expansion, should it come to pass.

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Jul 24, 2021, 10:59 AM

Disney owns the secn and accn

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:25 PM

Some of you guys are silly thinking its about who we would want to join the ACC. I hate to break the news but its about revenue $$$ which means its about TV markets and name recognition.

Why would PSU turn down $55M per year to accept $38M for playing in the ACC?

Certainly ND is a game changer but doubt they would be willing to join.

WVU brings little to the table.

Bringing one team from the west like OSU is not a good idea but if you went to a POD system with five teams from that area that could make a lot of sense. Kansas, OS U, Nebraska, Baylor and Iowa St would make a nice Mid west POD and would give our new commish something to sell.

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Jul 24, 2021, 6:31 AM

If Penn State and Notre Dame join the ACC, the $38 million goes up (and maybe the $55 million goes down).

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How about

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:15 PM

Maryland OR our friends in Columbia?

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:20 PM

Didn't Maryland leave for economics? Not sure it would make fiscal sense for Terps to return to ACC country.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:16 PM

1) Texas A&M
2) Oklahoma State
3) WV

I have no interest in Penn State.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:17 PM

Clemson shall lead us (the ACC) out of this morass.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

Go after Texas A&M. They bring a brand and a large recruiting area. Fans travel well and are great people. For that they don't fit in the SEC

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Agree David. This move by the snakes at Texas, OU, SEC and


Jul 23, 2021, 12:23 PM

ESPN has just widened the gap in terms of power and money between the SEC and ALL of the other conferences.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:26 PM

I think at this point Texas AM is the best choice if possible. It brings a great program awesome fans(still my favorite away game EVER!!) and a huge market revenue in Texas. I really don’t like WVU. I don’t think there’s much money in it for the conference and their fans are horrendous. Plus that program has been in decline for years. It’s a tough say. Like you said not much out there to choose from. I think a dark horse team could be Tennessee. They are going through a ginormous program overhaul. Why not start fresh in a new conference. Also gives us exposure in the Tennessee market. It’s a storied program with a money making brand. And they could come in and compete immediately.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:40 PM


I think at this point Texas AM is the best choice if possible. It brings a great program awesome fans(still my favorite away game EVER!!) and a huge market revenue in Texas. I really don’t like WVU. I don’t think there’s much money in it for the conference and their fans are horrendous. Plus that program has been in decline for years. It’s a tough say. Like you said not much out there to choose from. I think a dark horse team could be Tennessee. They are going through a ginormous program overhaul. Why not start fresh in a new conference. Also gives us exposure in the Tennessee market. It’s a storied program with a money making brand. And they could come in and compete immediately.




So you think aTm hates Texas enough to take a $20M yearly pay cut?

So you think adding one team 1400 or more miles from all other conference members is a good idea?

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:46 PM

College station is about 900 miles away. Syracuse is about 800 miles away. Have to fly to both places. So distance is irrelevant. Texas AM is in an untapped tv market which would bring huge revenue haul for ACC and ACC network.

So yes. I do think it’s a good idea.

And I went to the @aTm game. It was awesome. Awesome fans. Awesome military traditions. Just great all around.

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Jul 24, 2021, 1:15 AM

Wait. Tennessee could compete immediately???

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:29 PM

There are plenty of fine wvu fans, however their student section is garbage. If you think throwing water bottles is bad, their tradition is to throw batteries.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:33 PM

Yep. Trash. Don’t want any part of that.

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Jul 24, 2021, 7:57 AM

Nm

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Jul 24, 2021, 2:31 PM

I've seen it 1st hand. Along with students throwing empty beer bottles into the crowd.

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No way, not ever to Notre Dame


Jul 23, 2021, 12:35 PM

They are more whiny elitist thinking than UNC & Duke and they deserve nothing from ACC.

I would prefer Penn State and then let Louisville go latch on to Big 10 or 12. Finally, go double-wide shopping with Maryland & West Virginia. Keeps the ACC all along the east coast.

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Jul 23, 2021, 12:39 PM

David, we can split hairs on this but, it may already be too late to be proactive.

My post from another thread ...

The context here is how does the ACC counter the addition of Texas and Oklahoma to the SEC and strengthen the conference, football-wise, in kind? Notre Dame is a very strong counter and I don't think anyone would argue. I love some reasonings regarding Navy, but I cannot agree that it is an appropriate counter. Yes, there are a lot of traditions and sentiment it would bring to the conference, but it does not add a significant 'strength' to the ACC. I disagree with those that think West Virginia would be the wrong add. There is much more football potential with West Virginia than with Navy. My choices? Add Notre Dame as full member. Pilfer Penn State from the Big 10. If not Penn State, add West Virginia. Cincinnati, maybe. Central Florida, maybe.

Also for those that think academics is a factor, it shouldn't be and the Virginas need to get over themselves. This is not about who can win at chess. This is about getting stronger.

I will add on this thread that, as a resident of Texas, I think Okie State would be expensive because of travel, but is an interesting consideration. I can almost assure you that Texas A&M is solid in the SEC and would not consider another jump.

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:22 PM

WVU makes sense geographically but what major markets do they bring? I'm pretty sure Pitt and maybe the Virginia schools will be none too happy about letting this bitter rival in to compete with recruits.

The school to take is Texas Tech. Texas Tech has the top fan base in the Dallas / Fort Worth area as well as NW Texas. It may make sense to take Oklahoma State too.

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Penn State for sure.

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:16 PM

Sell them on the opportunity to play Notre Dame and Pittsburgh regularly.

Travel gets a little easier for them.

We have to make it more attractive than what the Big 10 is proposing.

I would be happy to have Texas A&M in the ACC, but I'm not sure if their resentment of the SEC bringing in Texas and Oklahoma would outweigh the likely financial benefit to staying in the SEC. If we can play to their emotions, and they are able to get out of the SEC, then it could work. I consider this even more of a long shot than getting Penn State though.

I don't want West Virginia. I'd make Cincinnati and a bunch of other schools tell me no first. The Mountaineers would be a last resort just to fill a spot.

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Re: Penn State for sure.


Jul 24, 2021, 12:27 AM

ATM ain’t leaving. Too much money and they’ll get dragged for running away from having to play Texas.

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Cincinnati over WVU?


Jul 24, 2021, 8:02 AM

Historically speaking, WVU football is light years ahead of Cincinnati. And I’d love to see a side-by-side comparison of viewership of WVU’s biggest games from the past 20-30 years to Cincinnati’s. I don’t get it.

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Some alternative outside the box thinking..


Jul 23, 2021, 1:20 PM

There is one team that fits the ACC profile better than any other that isn't in the conference:

That team has a large endowment, similar academic standards to UNC and UVA, a student body of equal size, a long history and some distinguished and wealthy alumni. It also sits dead in the heart of the ACC territory and is a state school.

I am referring to the University of Delaware.

They would have to step up their facilities and commitment to coaching/recruiting obviously, but in most ways they would be a great fit. They also would bring the Philly market as well as some of the Maryland and DC area.

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Delaware stands no chance of competing athletically

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:34 PM

in the ACC. It would take at least 8-10 years for them to recruit on a level resembling ACC caliber, and that's with an amazing coach and outstanding school leadership. They are currently in the Colonial Athletic Association with the likes of College of Charleston, Elon, Hofstra, and William & Mary. That is a huge step up!

I also disagree on their academics being as impressive as you state. It is ranked as the #39 public university, and #97 among national universities, according to U.S. News & World Report for 2021. That is much lower than most of the ACC, including Clemson. Their academic profile compares more favorably to Louisville than it does to most of the ACC.

I'm not sure how much they truly bring those large media markets you mentioned, because their viewership there has to be fairly low. Simply being located in a media market doesn't mean that there is value there.

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Jul 23, 2021, 1:29 PM

Realistically, ND is the top option here. I would love to see Penn St. & ND join. The ACC is already known for being weak in football, and it is only going to get worse if the ACC does not try to push for some bigger football brands. We need a team that has a huge football brand and fanbase, and ND & Penn St bring both of these to the table. I would even support dropping two teams like BC & Syracuse. It will definitely be interesting to see how everything unfolds.

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IF it is about new TV markets— UCF is that


Jul 23, 2021, 2:07 PM

Not that I would prefer it as they a huge school, but with limited athletic success… don’t know about the academic level, but we are now past the “golden seal” of the AAC. Orlando is a wide open market with a decent reach into Tampa/St. Pete market. Don’t have a idea on how much the USF fan base is, but it’s not ACC level by any chance.

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:08 PM

Texas Tech is the school to bring on. Maybe Oklahoma State too.

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Jul 23, 2021, 10:34 PM

need to do is stop the NATIONAL CHAMPIONS bs

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I don’t see any advantage for an upper tier Big 10 team to leave their conference.


Jul 23, 2021, 2:14 PM

I see the Big 10 looking to add vs being susceptible to being poached.

I say we get ND and Baylor or Okie State or maybe even Nebraska.


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Jul 23, 2021, 2:15 PM

Why do people keep saying Baylor?

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They have had success in football and basketball

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:17 PM

in recent years.

They are a good academic school.

They bring part of the Texas TV market.

They are in a conference that is being poached, and will likely be eager to get out.

I think they are the best option out there aside from Notre Dame and Penn State.

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Yep. Even women’s BB. Now with Mulkey leaving for LSU it may decline. But still a good overall add.

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Way better that WVU imo

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:28 PM

Baylor is a small private school. Texas Tech is the school to get and maybe bring Oklahoma State.

Texas Tech has over 40K students, is the only school in Texas with a Law and Medical school on campus and building a new vet school.

Texas Tech owns the Dallas Fort Worth and NW Texas markets.

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Baylor is not small. It has about 20,000 students.


Jul 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

That is larger than Clemson has historically been. We currently have about 23,000 students, which is similar in size to Baylor.

Do you think Clemson should be kicked out of the conference since we are also a "small school?" LOL.

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Baylor has a little over 14,000 Students.

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Jul 23, 2021, 10:29 PM

Nm

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19,522 counting grad schools.


Jul 24, 2021, 11:59 AM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baylor_University

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:34 PM

The ACC has the worst TV deal of any conference, no teams that have options (meaning good choices to lift up the ACC) would want to and no team in the Big 10 (Penn State) would even consider the pay cut. The ACC has no appeal to major programs, I saw someone mention "bolster recruiting due to southern exposure" and that is a joke, we live in a 24/7 365 news cycle where all games are nationally televised or available nationally--there are no options for the ACC.

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Jul 23, 2021, 7:10 PM

The current TV contracts are nullified if we add members.

Add Penn State and ND and we add MAJOR bargaining power, and the ACC network subs will go through the roof.

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Jul 23, 2021, 2:37 PM

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Notre Dame, Penn State, and WVU are the only good options


Jul 23, 2021, 2:53 PM

Penn State won't jump. They're too entrenched. They would bring money with them so they wouldn't lose money like many believe, but they wouldn't make money either without ND. WVU makes a lot of sense. They don't add anything monetarily but they don't detract either. They would help bring life to the Northern rivalries again. Cuse, Pitt, VT and UofL would all be more fun if they had someone to hate. Overall I believe they would help make ACC football better. And in the age of personal choice in programming, you could add the entire state of West Virginia to the ACC Network in one swoop.

Adding only one of ND or WVU still makes sense if we can scrap divisions and play a 3 - 5 rotating schedule.

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Re: Notre Dame, Penn State, and WVU are the only good options


Jul 23, 2021, 3:19 PM

I agree with Penn State. It would create a natural rivalry with BC and Pitt and would definitely enlarge the ACC footprint.

Now...Here is an idea (and no, I have not been drinking). Go after Georgia. Natural rivalries already exist with Georgia Tech and Clemson. Kirby would probably jump at the chance at a title without having to battle Alabama every year. Just a thought....

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Jul 23, 2021, 7:13 PM

Penn State might jump. OSU and Michigan run that conference. The only 4 teams that really matter are Michigan, OSU, PSU and Wisconsin. The rest are irrelevant.

The commissioner for the Big 10 is a buffoon. He is a politically correct appointee that is in way over his head. Sharks are circling and he doesn’t have a clue.

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Jul 23, 2021, 3:15 PM

I was just reading an article on the “World Wide Leader’s” page, and it mentioned something that I think might resolve this whole matter and balance things nicely. It mentioned an ACC/PAC12 alliance. I think that works.

-Make the gigantic APCC (Atlantic-Pacific Coast Conference).

-Keep divisions and split them at the coasts. However, top winning percentage/ranked teams make championship game (ranking committee to resemble CFP model with equal distribution of PAC-12/ACC school officials).

-Revenue is shared by all members, but traditional and geographic locations help keep travel somewhat reasonable and less obscene. Plus, this would also open up the possibility to add TWO cross division games where both coastal schools would get the chance to play D-1 schools in new markets, but cost would be a lot more realistic than trying to play cross country, intra-conference schedule.

-The Championship game is held at alternating sights each year (Atlantic-Pacific) particularly in big media market areas (Most likely LA and South Florida). The TV rights would be astronomical if fans bought into concept, but who knows?

-if Bowls still exist, make new provisions to accept exclusive teams from the two conferences.

This would probably never happen because the Big Ten and PAC-12 would probably be more likely to join forces than with the ACC. However, I think the “Coasts” angle would be clever, and if academics mattered (yeah right, that’s just a bunch of talk. They really don’t, and we all know it) you’d have those esteemed academic additions of the West Coast along with their Eastern Coast counterparts.

All in all, just my silly contribution to all this talk. I fear the college game is about to be permanently destroyed if hasn’t been already. Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.

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Jul 23, 2021, 3:21 PM

All the more reason to NOT watch football games that are not in our conference. We already have a huge tv population base and need to use that to our advantage by not giving other conferences additional viewership. Let ESPN do all they want with realignment just be sure to watch ACC games and not others.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:16 PM

The only conference expansion that is going to move the needle on conference revenue is a renegotiated tv deal due to adding PennSt and ND in football. Everthing else is a useless game of musical chairs where the current ACC members likely end up with less revenue. This is going to be a very difficult task for the new commissioner. Not sure it’s even possible to pull off because the ACC is so far behind what the SEC and Big10 currently generate. Two big brands heading to the SEC is a no brainer for them. The ACC has a heck of alot less to offer to convince ND and PennSt join.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:24 PM

The only school in the Big10 that appears unhappy with how things turned out after joining is Nebraska. The Covid season certainly caused some bruises between the Huskers and the Big10 elites. In 1985, adding them to your conference would have been a big deal. In 2021, not so much.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:32 PM

Continuing with the Big10, MichSt is a land grant school that has always been in the shadows of Michigan and OhioSt. They have a sometimes rivalry with ND, so I’ll say add the Spartans and Irish as a package deal. Big upgrade for basketball for sure, and a strong fanbase.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:01 PM

The possible scenarios that might unfold. As I’ve skimmed this thread one thing that hasn’t been talked about a lot is the fact that the ACC may be following in the BIG12’s foot steps. It seems like the BIG10 and SEC members don’t have reasons to leave except for maybe A&M if they are mad enough. That being said, I’d be curious to see if the BIG10 went after Clemson and FSU and possibly some others left over in the BIG12.
If this is centered around football, I would imagine Clemson and FSU would be talked to by other conferences rather than try to sway Penn State or A&M to come play in the ACC. Take away Clemson and FSU from the conference and what is left in terms of football powers? VT? Miami? Seems like we’d be targeted to leave before some of these other schools decide to pack up and join the ACC.

Who knows what will happen—but good grief the game is changing at a rapid pace!

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:12 PM

Almost forced to expand in order to trigger a new deal.

Reach out to A&M and hope they are rash enough to jump. Otherwise, Getting Notre Dame is the key.

Only add teams that will give a larger payout PER TEAM. That is much more important than getting to 16 or more teams.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:29 PM

Assuming PSU, TAM, OSU, ND wouldn't join the ACC, then Oka St, TexTech, TCU and Baylor or Cinn might be reasonable options. Iowa St football has had some recent success so they might deserve a look.

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Jul 23, 2021, 11:43 PM

David, at this point aside from apparently the SEC, Texas and Oklahoma, EVERYONE ELSE IS REACTIVE.

I must admit, I've always liked the status quo. That makes it hard for me to enthusiastically play the 'What's Next' game. But I will give it a try....

If Texas and Oklahoma are really set to make the SEC a 16 team superconference, with Bama, Florida, LSU, Auburn as headliners, they will be powerful. Those 6 teams have won 14 of the last 20 titles. No one can beat that line up.

Without Oklahoma and Texas, the Big 12 looks like a dead man walking. Teams left in the Big12 with a pulse include OK State, Iowa State (who will jump to the Big10 if they get a chance), West Virginia (who brings no TV market and a so so history) TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, Kansas and K-State. TCU might give the ACC a weak toehold on the Dallas/Fort Worth market WVU brings nothing.

UCF might sound better than it is. With FSU and Miami, the ACC already has a nice top and bottom grip on the Sunshine State.

Who could the ACC pluck? OK STATE, TCU, WVU?

Who could the Big 10 grab? Iowa State, WVU, PITT?

If the 12 team CFP is going to be a reality, there is less reason than every for ND to join the ACC.

I have no idea what if anything is likely to happen. Perhaps nothing is the best thing for the ACC to do. If we gotta move, press ND, then take Cincinatti and WVU.

Yep, it looks ugly to me too.

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Jul 24, 2021, 12:46 AM

The one thing that I haven't heard anyone mention is raiding the SEC. If Alabama shifts to the SEC East with Auburn, then Georgia and Florida could be looking at becoming a second tier program. I hear all of the talk about money, but I am not sure that a larger pie means a drastically larger piece of it.

My push would be to convince one of those two that being a big fish in a little pond could benefit them long term. With only 1 SEC team eligible for a bye in the proposed 12 team playoff, why not take the easier route that involves less teams and a smoother road? Both have 2 rivals in the ACC (Florida- FSU and Miami / Georgia- Us and GT). I think that either would be as doable as Penn St and both fit in better geographically.

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Jul 24, 2021, 12:50 AM

I’m late to this but the SEC might not get but one of Texas/Oklahoma deal if Texas Am votes Texas out.

Then we could go to the SEC & I’d be ok with it but they are looking for money markets.

The ACC needs to move quickly, offer a fair deal to Notre Dame, if they say no then we should offer Michigan/Ohio State & Penn State if no then we should go for West Virginia & UCF( they are a big enough market to help our TV contracts & recruiting in Florida with 3 of 4 teams). In the long run UCF has a great fan base too, plus it’s a big school.

The only other school we might need to consider instead of West Virginia would be Maryland(I dislike them & their fans but tv contract wise they make sense).

Indiana is another big market that would help too.

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Jul 24, 2021, 6:23 AM

As much as I hate to admit it.... ACC is behind the Big Ten and SEC. We need to join the SEC. ACC is going away. Big 10 for us makes no sense from a geographic standpoint traveling for games.

We are going to have 2 conferences.... the SEC (south) and the Big 10 (north). Pac 12 doesn't matter and the Big 12 is already dead.


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Jul 24, 2021, 7:45 AM

The SEC, Texas and Oklahoma are the proactive ones that will force the ACC to react.

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Jul 24, 2021, 9:19 AM

continuing

great recruiting area and TV demographics going forward .

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Jul 24, 2021, 9:29 AM

Notre Dame fully onboard and sharing TV money.

Texas A&M - They will vote against adding Texas and OU to the SEC. The ACC should pounce, but we need ND too.

Okie State - meh.

West Virginia - meh

UCF- meh, but Florida TV market.

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Jul 24, 2021, 4:03 PM

The ideal response would be chasing Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Notre Dame as full members and pushing Duke and Wake Forest to drop their football programs to FCS.

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