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Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Dabo has been proven correct. It may work out for a small group of players, but overall it’s done more harm than good.
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The Challenger shuttle explosion.
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Those who say we should cancel space exploration have been proven right.
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Re: The Challenger shuttle explosion.
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:31 AM
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What?
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Orange Blooded [3637]
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He's pointing out that single events are not great predictors...
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:41 AM
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of overall success/failure.
The portal may or may not be great for teams... but saying 'Colorado failed with using them therefore they are not needed' isn't logically sound.
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Re: He's pointing out that single events are not great predictors...
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:30 AM
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Yet saying Dabo failed this season by not using it is logically sound?
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I dont think anyone is saying that we failed this season because of that.
Nov 28, 2023, 9:04 AM
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Dabo’s refusal to use the portal to address talent/developmental issues is a problem, but our bigger problem this year is that we've not gotten the right players in recruiting and/or haven’t developed them well. Offensive play calling also leaves a lot to be desired.
With that said, it’s pretty obvious that an OL and a WR from the portal could’ve helped this year.
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Re: He's pointing out that single events are not great predictors...
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Nov 26, 2023, 12:05 PM
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It didn’t work for Texas A&M either. There is a primary reason that players are in the portal. It’s not because they’re good and not getting enough playing time. Dabo is not against the portal.
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All-In [44054]
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His actions suggest otherwise.***
Nov 28, 2023, 9:05 AM
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Its only trolling if you dont understand how analogies work.
Nov 28, 2023, 12:06 PM
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I can only oversimplify so much.
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Re: The Challenger shuttle explosion.
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:35 AM
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Indeed… Saw an accident on the highway this morning so everyone stop driving your cars immediately
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Re: The Challenger shuttle explosion.
Nov 26, 2023, 12:24 PM
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Those who say we should cancel space exploration have been proven right.
Elon musk holding on line 1....
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Dabo also said that the fans are the problem
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No fans were involved in that ### show offense last night.
I guess I am proven right.
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Re: Dabo also said that the fans are the problem
Nov 26, 2023, 8:32 AM
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I see you know nothing about football!
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Colorado is winless or a 1-win team without NIL/portal
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:22 AM
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So…..not a great argument.
It’s definitely done more harm than good for Clemson as it’s helped other teams “close the gap” on us.
It’s changed the college game and Dabo needs to start “playing the game” or we won’t return to “elite” again.
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Re: Colorado is winless or a 1-win team without NIL/portal
Nov 26, 2023, 8:34 AM
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Clemson is already Elite and never left!
Exactly who do you want to replace on defense?
Even on offense ?
We have the players and no one available in the stupid “ I want more money” transfer portal is as good as what we have!
Transfer and Nil will ruin all of college sports !
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Lol. No we are not and yes we have.
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:39 AM
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You’re clueless.
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Or maybe they would be in playoffs. Since you made it up, I can too.
Nov 26, 2023, 9:16 AM
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Nobody knows what would have happened.
Wholesale change when you bring in a new really good QB who is your son.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:22 AM
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For the Portal players that found a new home and will get an education, mission accomplished. The Portal was never going to change football and neither will NIL.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Lol.
Literally nobody can argue that we wouldnt have been a better team this year with a portal WR, and a portal FG kicker.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 8:35 AM
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Not sure how many portal kickers would have been 3 for 3 over 42 yards(42,49,50).
Also we did you our portal …. Online MBA. lol
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:32 AM
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Last night was great, but going into last night we led the country in missed field goals.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 28, 2023, 8:28 AM
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How quickly you forget about the missed kicks that lost the FSU game and HEAVILY contributed to 2 other losses. Dabo had the "this is my portal speech" ready for the presser after the FSU game but had to toss it.
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D.Walker, K.Coleman, T.Hunter among other don't make our 3 deep?
Nov 26, 2023, 9:17 AM
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You really are higher on our WR than I am. It did hurt losing Turner and Williams to injury and Ngata to NFL, and Collins to the portal. Also B.Collins misses chunks of time. Physically BC is very gifted, if he could just stay on the field.
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So you wanted portal guys after the season started?***
Nov 26, 2023, 11:39 AM
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Re: D.Walker, K.Coleman, T.Hunter among other don't make our 3 deep?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:43 PM
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You really are higher on our WR than I am. It did hurt losing Turner and Williams to injury and Ngata to NFL, and Collins to the portal. Also B.Collins misses chunks of time. Physically BC is very gifted, if he could just stay on the field.
The only thing he is high on is his gasoline soaked rag. That or an early onset of dementia.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:48 PM
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If we brought in a portal WR and he was injured like several of our other WRs were, would we have been better team?
Are you going to come on here and fuss and cry when Dabo brings in some transfer portal players? Because it WILL happen. And there is nothing wrong with doing it. Or will you just shift to being pro portal and pretend you never were against it?
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Neither you nor the other protal pumping experts said a word about Kicker last off-season, it was all WR, LB, OL - whatever. It's LOL that you somehow think it was 'obvious' there. Dabo also portaled in a kid there mid-season for crying out loud.
And for the last time for you numb nuts - we don't have Tyler Brown on the roster at WR this season if Dabo went the portal route there. He was the last take at the position. Are you so dense that you think we can just magically make up roster spots to plug in other program cast-offs?
So yeah, people can not only argue your point but show what a crock of dung it is to keep whining on incessantly about it as if you have some kind of clue.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:50 PM
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Neither you nor the other protal pumping experts said a word about Kicker last off-season, it was all WR, LB, OL - whatever. It's LOL that you somehow think it was 'obvious' there. Dabo also portaled in a kid there mid-season for crying out loud.
And for the last time for you numb nuts - we don't have Tyler Brown on the roster at WR this season if Dabo went the portal route there. He was the last take at the position. Are you so dense that you think we can just magically make up roster spots to plug in other program cast-offs?
So yeah, people can not only argue your point but show what a crock of dung it is to keep whining on incessantly about it as if you have some kind of clue.
Go Tigers!
When Dabo brings in portal guys, will you please quit Tigernet?
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FSU is 12-0 almost all of their contributors are transfers
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Nov 26, 2023, 8:31 AM
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Colorado was 1-11 last year. Neon inherited a beat up old car that had been sitting in the yard rusting for years. He replaced the engine, fuel system, and transmission; just didn't have enough money left for new tires
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It worked for FSU***
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Re: It worked for FSU***
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And Washington. And Oregon.
Transfers are a way to quick fix roster holes. Not a way to build a whole team from scratch.
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Re: It worked for FSU***
Nov 26, 2023, 10:28 AM
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This is true. I don’t think any Tiger fan wants this to be a wholesale strategy, but we definitely need to fill holes. Honestly if Cade does not show vast improvement we will lose 4 games again next year.
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Oh no, those opposed
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:25 AM
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to any roster acquisition via the portal always counter with extreme exponential idiot argument (strawman × 10⁹)—
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weird how some can only see one side of it***
Nov 26, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Did Colorado fail? They improved this year.
Nov 26, 2023, 9:11 AM
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They presumably improve again next year.
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Re: Did Colorado fail? They improved this year.
Nov 26, 2023, 9:19 AM
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They don't presumably improve next year.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 9:18 AM
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Neither team has/had a coach. It’s not a slam on the portal .. FSU seemed to make it work very well ..
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Dumb take.
Duke beat us using the portal
Fsu beat us using the portal.
Washington, oregon, Texas, fsu, ga, bama all playoff contenders because of the portal
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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The "Dabo is 100% correct on everything" crowd is mildly disturbing.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:53 PM
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The "Dabo is 100% correct on everything" crowd is mildly disturbing.
Clemson is blessed with some of the greatest fans in college football, but we also have to have some of the stupidest fans too.
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True believer; indoctrinated by birth****
Nov 26, 2023, 9:55 AM
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 10:08 AM
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Good recruiting and talent identification works no matter where you find it. Every Top 10 team has a sprinkling of transfer players who fit a need and work within the system. You can't watch a game these days without hearing a name called out and where they transferred from.
What Dabo does works for him and what other top programs do seems to be working for them. Neither has to be right or wrong, it just depends on how good you are at finding the right guys for your team and culture, regardless of where they come from.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Nov 26, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Kool-Aid drinkers unite in this thread. If Dabo embraced the portal you would think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I still wish he had for some receivers and OL. Would probably have a few less losses than 4.
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What?..
Nov 26, 2023, 11:34 AM
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You don't consider offering a scholarship & signing a 4th string, 28 year old Grad Asst, QB embracing the portal? Good bloodlines anyway—
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Florida State enters the chat.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 10:33 AM
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Fsu is still undefeated tho
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FSU says hi....***
Nov 26, 2023, 11:26 AM
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Lol, FSU undefeated. Dabo proven wrong?
Nov 26, 2023, 11:27 AM
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Come on man
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Is that an effective way to run a program long term?
Nov 28, 2023, 9:54 AM
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What does huge turnover in players every year do to team morale? What about when the transfers you get are 21-22 and not 24-26 because of covid years, etc? I don't think we have those answers yet.
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Re: Is that an effective way to run a program long term?
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My point was that the OP said Dabo was proven right for not using the portal b/c Deion and Jimbo weren't successful. Just pointing out that FSU was successful this year. Again, the use case for Clemson to use the portal is to plug holes and add depth. It's not to rebuild the program - that would make no sense.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Nov 26, 2023, 11:30 AM
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FSU took portal players and they are 12-0 and on their way to the CFP.
Look both sides took this argument to the extreme. Clemson doesn’t need to take 30 guys in the portal every year. They do need to look at a large range of guys in the portal and not just throw up their hands when they don’t get the handful of guys they targeted.
As usually the truth is somewhere in the middle, but we live in a landscape of polarized extremes.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 11:46 AM
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Nobody here in favor of accessing the portal to Clemson's benefit has ever suggested 30 players or even 10 players. 5-6 is the largest # I've seen suggested here and that # would merely offset the annual portal exfil–
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 11:42 AM
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The Colorado example is bad. That team made huge improvements in one year. They went from no pulse to winning some and competing with good opponents. Deion would get a solid B or B- for his first year in my estimation. Now, yes he has to start recruiting at a high level to go along with the portal work and flip flop the importance.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
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Nov 26, 2023, 12:09 PM
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The transfer portal will have less of an effect after the extra year covid players do not have eligibility.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:22 PM
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The Covid year being done will def start to even some of the playing field out now.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 26, 2023, 12:47 PM
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I want get credit but I posted that only the upper level players would benefit from NIL and it could cause division in locker rooms. The TP is also bad for CF.
At least Dabo is trying to spread the wealth among his team by selling products online the benefit many players.
If the courts rule in favor or going back several years to award former players who will pay that bill. Those who made big money in the NFL should be excluded. Who knows what some of these crack pot judges will do ???
I am concerned now that Dabo could be headed to Texas. I would not blame him if he left after some of the post I have read.
Is Will Shipley hitting the TP or going for the NFL. I think he would be wise to comeback to Clemson. If he does not make the NFL I am sure Dabo would help him get into coaching. That’s what Feaster should have done.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 28, 2023, 8:22 AM
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Ask FSU
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Dabo would say: You can't herd cats.
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Nov 28, 2023, 8:36 AM
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New recruits are traditionally limited. That's a plus because you can't teach a system to a anyone in 6 months. Even the best QBs struggle early. To effectively use the portal a coach must look at the system a player comes from and find those whose previous system closely resembles his.
Everyone thinks it offers unlimited players with max skill and potential. They also need to be dedicated to the players around them and the team as a whole. Unless a coach recruits such players he can pick and choose transfers by watching film. Think Deon and Jimbo.
A coach who seeks out players who fit with Clemson's character is much, much more selective. I would say of all the top 10 teams in the nation Clemson does much less damage control over player behavior off the field. Thus have we not been shamed for the behavior of our players off the field.
Sitting out one game seemed to do Ship some good.
I agree with Dabo. The opportunity lost by portal preference or use does more damage to the quality of character of a team that it helps on the field.
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All-In [44054]
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Hard to say that Dabo was proven correct when we have underachieved
Nov 28, 2023, 8:36 AM
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since the new transfer portal went live in 2021.
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Legend [16867]
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Well, my 'grapevine' says he has a meeting set
Nov 28, 2023, 10:03 AM
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With Brownell, the authority on player development and helping players get drafted. Sorry, I can't divulge my source.
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Re: Colorado 4-8. Jimbo fired. How about that NIL and portal now?
Nov 28, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Your logic doesn't follow.
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All-TigerNet [10900]
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that's a 400% improvement for Colorado***
Nov 28, 2023, 11:06 AM
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