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Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:12 PM
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I was doing some research on my own yesterday when I saw someone posted about coaching experience on the board. Here is what I found out. I went back to the 2016 title team, which had nine full-time, on the field coaches. Those nine coaches (not Swinney) had 206 total years as full-time college or NFL assistants or head coaches. That was 99 on defense and 107 on offense. Of course, Robbie Caldwell and Dan Brooks skewed those numbers a little bit.
Monday night's coaching staff, with 10 coaches, combined for 57 total years. That is 38 on defense and 19 on offense. I might be off a year here or there, but that is what I came up with.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Yea, but how many bald guys?
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Would be curious to see how many years ot non Clemson FBS
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:14 PM
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Experience the staff has
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:18 PM
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The coaching staff may not be as a good as it once was, but they're friends and family. They fit the culture, in the end that's all that matters.
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Re: Coaching experience
Sep 7, 2023, 2:58 PM
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But they are as good once, as they ever was...
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Re: Coaching experience
Sep 7, 2023, 6:01 PM
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I hope you were being ironic. My faint hope that you were is the only thing preventing me from giving this post the big TD
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Call Buddy Ryan in!
Sep 7, 2023, 2:18 PM
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Oh yeah, he’s still dead.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:19 PM
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And that is why Kirby has left us in the dust.
On offense and special teams, we have NEVER under Dabo been a good coached team. We simply out talented our opponents and relied an the top Defense in the country to fill the Holes.
I don't want to rub salt, but If T.L. had played in Kirbys system, he would have won 2 Heismans.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:22 PM
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He may have won 2 Heismans anywhere but Clemson. We don't do the Heisman.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:22 PM
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I know Dan Brooks was gone by the 2018 team
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:26 PM
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and repalced with Todd Bates, but the staff was still largely intact.
I'm guessing still more than 3x what we have now.
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Mike Reed is currently skewing the defensive numbers
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:29 PM
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with 23 years coaching experience in college football and the NFL.
Wes Goodwin - 1 year at the college level, 0 before Clemson
Mickey Conn - 6 years at the college level, 0 before Clemson
Mike Reed - 23 years (18 college, 5 NFL)
Lemanski Hall - 5 years at the college level, 0 before Clemson
Nick Eason - 9 years (2 college, 7 NFL)
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How about the offensive numbers?***
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:42 PM
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Re: How about the offensive numbers?***
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:30 PM
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Garrett Riley - 8 years at the college level
Kyle Richardson - 4 years (3 as the WR coach at Southeastern Louisiana University + last year at Clemson)
Tyler Grisham - 3 years, 0 before Clemson
C.J. Spiller - 2 years, 0 before Clemson
Thomas Austin - 3 years
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wow.....that is simply mime bottling.
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:30 PM
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But seriously....yikes.
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Bottled mimes would be a terrible thing........
Sep 7, 2023, 8:44 PM
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:34 PM
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Well, we had almost no coaching turnover for so long. Then because of our success some guys got good opportunities. Dabo then made some hires that are real head scratchers. I don't have issue with hiring guys like Spiller that have played in the NFL, they know what it takes. But we made a "spreadsheet guy analyst" the DC/LB coach and a high school coach the "passing game coordinator". It's almost unbelievable that he would do that.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:07 PM
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Goodwin being made a dc when he has never coached football is just amazing to me. Still can’t believe it
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:07 PM
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Goodwin being made a dc when he has never coached football is just amazing to me. Still can’t believe it
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By my count the offensive staff (5 coaches)
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:37 PM
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has a combined total of 13 years FBS experience including their time at Clemson. 5 total years of FBS experience prior to them arriving.
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Re: By my count the offensive staff (5 coaches)
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:44 PM
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That's a seasoned crew. Who could ask for more?
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Yeah, there's no good way to spin that.
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:39 PM
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Need a mix of new guys and experienced guys. Way too many guys experiencing their first coaching job here.
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Average of 17 years less experience per coach***
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:39 PM
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I dont see how any person in their right mind can blame
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:44 PM
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the loss on offense or defense, per se. And as such, blaming it on the coaching of either side seems a bit obtuse (not saying that’s what Hood intended).
We lost because of turnovers and missed tackles. Basic football.
No grand conspiracy. No 30 for 30. No expose on the embattled so-and-so’s who’ve lost a metaphorical step or two. No drug rehab; no girlfriends leading someone astray; no internal political battles.
And especially no “Duke was the better team”.
I struggle to understand with good reason why people can’t just accept that.
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Because it simply isnt so, thats why
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:10 PM
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The offense was plain, vanilla, predictable, and misfiring. Just like last year. The defense was soft, bad tackling, bad angles, just like last year.
Duke has 2 blue chip players. Clemson has 56. Duke has the 60th ranked roster in college football. Clemson has the 5th ranked roster.
By the way, you may not know this, but, fundamentals.....they are taught by coaches. Worked on in practices that are run by coaches.
Clemson lost because Duke is the better team is a laughable explanation as to what happened Monday night and for that matter, the past 2+ seasons.
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430+ yards, 75 more than Duke, great balance with 200+
Sep 7, 2023, 8:18 PM
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running and passing, 27 1st Downs, 4 trips into the Red Zone (3 on long drives), 63% passing completion (though only 5 yds/Att), only 1 3-and-out, and over 33 minutes of TOP.
Are you out of your ever living mind?
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Re: Because it simply isnt so, thats why
Sep 8, 2023, 5:49 AM
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I’m thinking the 5th round roster ranking is way off base. On paper and on field look vastly different.
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Re: I dont see how any person in their right mind can blame
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:19 PM
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Because everyone else here understands that this thread isn’t about the loss of one game, but how a lack of staff coaching experience and questionable promotions/hires are just a few of the factors that help explain the decline of the program.
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Nothing but Hubris on Dabos part
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Sep 7, 2023, 2:55 PM
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Thinking he could turn this island of misfit toys into real coaches simply bc they have been around him and the program. Who needs experience when you got that Dabo rub?
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Can you remove the TL16 years?
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:01 PM
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TL16 would have won 3 National Championships on an Alabama or Georgia or Ohio State team. He carried the coaches that failed him. Even the NFL people talked about how they had to undo his Clemson years. And it took the professionals 1.5 seasons to do so.
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Prove it blowhard..***
Sep 8, 2023, 3:10 AM
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:16 PM
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The coaches did not fumble or miss field goals.
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<insert eye roll emoji>***
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:17 PM
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Insert pic of short bus***
Sep 8, 2023, 3:14 AM
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:23 PM
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Thanks for the quantitative data, @DavidHood. My eyes told me Monday we look like a poorly coached team… the data shows our coaching staff lacks experience to be successful. So… how did Clemson get here and why did the Clemson Athletics community allow it? Yikes.
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Simple, because Dabo clearly has carte blanche to do whatever he wants.
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:40 PM
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And based on TNet posts over the years, most of our fans have been fine with that. They didn’t want anyone to question Dabo, not even his boss, because Dabo knows best.
That’s a potentially dangerous scenario, and I feel we are seeing it play out right before our eyes.
I’ve asked before: who does Dabo have in his life besides Kathleen to tell him no? Anyone on the coaching staff or in Clemson’s athletic department? Even the most brilliant leaders need people who will set them straight and say no when warranted.
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Given that you constantly support an abject failure
Sep 8, 2023, 3:17 AM
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as a Basketball Coach,
why would any sane soul take advice from you in Football? What an absolute useless human being…
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No one. No one is who.
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Sep 8, 2023, 5:11 AM
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I watched the Cowboys under Landry go this path.
He was an untouchable relic. The game had passed him by. The program reflected his mantra -- always searching for moral victories in the wake of actual losses.
Then Jones showed up and won three titles playing the game as it had to be played.
Now he's a relic. The cycle repeats.
Except in Clemson's case, its a true nightmare scenario because the team cant be sold to a new owner who cleans house and begin again. Nope ... Dabo will have to remove himself. Aint nobody got the samd to fire him. Yikes.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:29 PM
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Thanks David. Good info. When we say the team Monday night looked like a Tommy Bowden team, that translates into "Poorly Coached" in the details and the fundamentals of the game. Your data backs that up.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 7, 2023, 3:29 PM
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There is no substitute for experience when you're coaching big boy football. None.
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Grisham is in way over his head! So are a few others***
Sep 7, 2023, 4:09 PM
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Re: Coaching experience
Sep 7, 2023, 5:57 PM
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Wow. That’s a bit of an eye opener.
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Re: Coaching experience
Sep 7, 2023, 8:56 PM
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Those staffs were absolutely amazing. Outside of Mike Reed and G Riley, I can't say I am overly impressed with the resume, recruiting, or development of any other assistants. I'm sure a few of the others are solid but for the most part they just aren't cutting it. I can't believe what Dabo did with the coordinator hires. When he backed up his decisions I trusted him but at this point it seems both may be terminated in the first few years. I never could have imagined being here so quickly after Dabos second natty. The FSU game is going to be a huge look into how the rest of the season will pan out. Not confident.
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Re: Coaching experience
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Sep 8, 2023, 5:58 AM
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Of the 57yrs, how many yrs were with a P5 college or greater as in NFL coaching, minus Dabo? Then take away the yrs coached at Clemson vs the 2016 group and tell me how far the coaching experience has fallen. It pretty alarming if you ask me.
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