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Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 10:55 AM
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Free Speech should be allowed for flourish on college campuses. Why are professors and teaching assistants allowed to openly post their attempts to shut it down? What is happening to Clemson? These are people who are in charge of our children’s education. Spending our tax dollars and donations while bragging about trying it “shut down” attendance for Conservative events.

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let me guess. They are not engineering

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:01 AM
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or science professors.

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This is where your money goes. 1) Burke -BS in Health and

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:19 AM
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wellness from UNC Asheville and Master from Clemson in Counseling Education and Student Affairs - was / is part of LGBTQ Liaison Program

Bufford BA from Winthrop in political science and sociology and master of high education from Columbia College - assistant director for recruiting and inclusive excellence for student services. Assists supporting increasing the number of underrepresented faculty staff and students in the college.

spend your money wisely alumni

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Re: This is where your money goes. 1) Burke -BS in Health and


Jun 30, 2021, 7:21 AM
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Thankfully neither one is actually faculty, just staff. One works in financial aid and the other is director of inclusion & equity.

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:04 AM
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Easy fix… just have standby seating. If you are not on time you forfeit your seat. Delay the speaker by 15 minutes.

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Should we fight fire with fire and hoard all of their

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:11 AM
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tickets to liberal speeches?

Of course, they would spin it that the whole world wanted to hear their rhetoric.

Reminds me of a video I recently watched ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20cE8Xz38Cw

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"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:23 AM
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Firstly, old news. Wasn't this months ago?

Secondly, I think you're implying two things: 1) that liberals should not harbor views conflicting with your own; and 2) that conservatives never stoop to equally egregious behavior.

You are also aware that Jefferson and his supporters maligned George Washington? Some of it by inventing malicious rumors? So, dirty tricks in politics has always been with us, and given human nature, always will be.

It has nothing to do with academia, except as a subset of our greater dysfunction.

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they are employees of the University

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:29 AM
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This is not how one should conduct themselves professionally. I'd say the same thing if politics were reversed.

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Re: they are employees of the University

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:42 AM
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You used the word *should* - man that is a whole ball of wax there.

Yeah, folks should and shouldn't do a lot of things however, that is part of the concept of "freedom".

This isn't the first time that groups block other or the other way around. Of course, being liberals, they think small while the "faux-conservatives" - use state legislatures.(hate to even use the term conservatives since conservatism is political dead)

I disagree that any activity outside of the work role, they should be able to behave in a free and unrestricted manner. If "employees" want to act like aye-holes outside of their job task, well that is their right - especially at the state level. It is that "should" word. It is a recommendation, not a requirement and that is a key since the state should not silence/inhibit actions outside of the job take (even if at the physical place of employment)

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no argument that ethics and professionalism are dead

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:43 PM
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ethics and professionalism are probably just a "construct" by western society anyway, to keep the hegemony in tact... rolling my eyes.

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Re: no argument that ethics and professionalism are dead


Jun 29, 2021, 1:33 PM
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Ethics is situational and relative. It is not hard and fast.

Thus why you think Northeners don't understand the South and vice versa.

Are there universal ethics? Yes, but they are very few (don't commit murder). Everything else depends on your society, culture, and local ideals.

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Re: no argument that ethics and professionalism are dead


Jun 29, 2021, 1:57 PM
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*It depends* and yes, this is the academic answer.

Depending on how you approach "ethics". That does not mean that is relative- unless you are a relativist. But chances are, there are structures driving your decisions and the "correct" choice is dependent on the structure you choose.

For example, the two biggest "paths" are either John Stuart Mills Utilitarianism or a Kantian deontological path. There are other "paths" but I will keep it simple. Basically, with Ult, the "ends justify the means" and the ethical decision is based on the outcome that "produces the greatest good".
Deontological is "duty based" and thus the results are irrelevant and the only good can come from the act itself. Thus it is mostly dependent on where you want to place the value on the action. I am a deontological-pragmatist mean that I am duty based up to the point in which the action would be considered truly absurd. Think of it as this: Killing a person is a morally wrong act. However if given the choice to be killed along with my family or to kill a person responsible for my death, then I will kill the threat. However, it is not about the outcome but rather I have a duty to my family for self preservation that trump the "killing" choice. Rather I have a duty to be be passive in that situation. It isn't outcome based but rather a leveled duty scheme. I *should* find any and all ways to avoid that but when that die is cast, then there is a pragmatic element. That being said, I would consider the ethical question of killing baby hitler to be a morally wrong action since I am not a JSM Ult looking at the results of the action, just the act itself

One of my most respected *living* moral philosophers is Andrew Light, I worked briefly with him and while I don't agree with everything, he is fairly spot on. https://philosophy.gmu.edu/people/alight1
His take on environmental values is highly useful IMO

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Re: no argument that ethics and professionalism are dead

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:00 PM
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That is total ######## and you know it! This is how people like you justify violence. If you call Trump supporters Nazis then it’s OK to assault them in public because Nazis are dangerous and should be assaulted and killed. It’s people on the far left running around America killing conservatives. And it’s being rationalized and justified by insane people like you with ridiculous comments like you just posted. My God you are just ignorant and stupid. You are clearly a product of the modern society. Martin Luther King would find you pathetic!

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Libs work in academia and become career politicians...

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:50 AM
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because most of them can't hack it in the real world.

The majority of them have no idea what it means to actually work for a living.

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Re: Libs work in academia and become career politicians...


Jun 29, 2021, 1:44 PM
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disagree - the path to academia (at a tier 1 research institution) is abusive, petty, and just plain bonkers.

I stepped out into the "real world" because of that insanity. I could not look at the golden handcuff (tenure review process) as anything healthy - and it isnt. Everyone coming out of that is tough, and likely not normal either. Then again, the phd process is insanity. If you think that they can't cut it, well shrug ... A few of us call ourselves "reformed academics" and we are "highly effective" in our paths. As I call it, I get to "practice" my field with "cheat codes".

I think about 1/2 of career politicians are not liberals.... ;)


FYI, the reason why you find a lot of liberals in higher academia is because often "liberals" value things that are not reward/monetary related (ie not a direct payoff). They are more motivated by other non-direct mechanism. It is not exclusive to "liberals" but since you aren't going to be rich in most fields in academia, the "payoff" has to be intrinsic within that field. If the payoff is "cause" related, then you have a big liberal population.

Keep in mind that prior to about the 1960s, especially pre 30s. most academics were surprisingly conservative (and then politics in the US flipped - heck the parties basically nearly flipped since then).

Also, you have a lot more libertarians (than the standard population) in academia as well, just walk into a classical economics department. You just don't have the new faux-conservatives because they hate education, can not entertain rational thought when presented with contrary evidence, and that would be self defeating.

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives


Jun 29, 2021, 11:27 AM
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Ya Think?

Where you been for about 50 years?

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This is actually good for conservatives.

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:37 AM
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Conservatism, like religion, thrives on a persecution complex. It helps raise money and draw in people who like to pretend their rights are being trampled all the time.

“Hollywood is trying to destroy us!”

“The ‘Left’ Coast and the Northeast and the big cities are trying to erase our southern/rural heritage!”

“If you’re a liberal you get away with everything! If you’re a conservative you go straight to jail for everything!”

“We’re not allowed to say ‘Merry Christmas!’”

“Schools are indoctrinating our children!”

On and on it goes. So just look at this as a recruiting opportunity. And remember to pass this story along with as little context as possible. Perhaps even post it on Facebook using ALL CAPS.

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Lol.. that applies to all groupw. I see more social

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Bulling from the left than I did in all 12 years of public school.

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Re: This is actually good for conservatives.


Jun 29, 2021, 10:18 PM
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Progressivism, like religion, thrives on a persecution complex. It helps raise money and draw in people who like to pretend their rights are being trampled.

“The man is out to get you”

“If you’re white you must be racist!”

“If you’re a conservative you get away with everything! If you’re a liberal you go straight to jail!”

“We must implement CRT so whites will recognize they are the root of all evil!”

On and on it goes. So just look at this as a recruiting opportunity. And remember to pass this story along with as little context as possible. Perhaps even post it on Facebook using ALL CAPS.

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:45 AM
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Fire them yesterday!

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 11:57 AM
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Here’s the thing, I for the life of me can’t understand why folks back down from these little wieners. Have u seen them, most look like AIDS took it what it could from them and left the rest to rot in a on - earth liberal he//. Trust me, just hold your ground and make fun of them. Their in a bad spot due to basically nothing they believe in is rooted in reason.

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:04 PM
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If they're spending your donations, then that is your fault.

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:05 PM
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Not surprising. This is the group that is destroying America as we watch. They are held accountable by no one.

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:11 PM
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If you were smart enough to to post your topic on the right board I might consider clicking on your link. Actually probably not ‘cause I don’t give a fuzzy rat’s ### what Tnet posters think about politics, so I woulda never even seen this topic if it had been posted on the right board.

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:18 PM
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History has long shown that to pervert a populace is simple. Control media and education.
Free speech becomes hate speech.

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Jun 29, 2021, 10:06 PM
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comment. Wha????

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives

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Jun 29, 2021, 12:19 PM
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Not only do they not "support" conservatives. They hate your guts and would exterminate every one of you if they could get away with it. And that days fast approaching once the left gains control of police departments and the military.

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:12 PM
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They are not “faculty”. They are not “professors or teaching assistants”. They are not “in charge of our children’s education”. One is in financial aid and the other is in recruitment.

HTH

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:36 PM
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They are employees of a public institution. Had their views and actions been reversed it would be a national scandal on CNN, broadcasted daily long after they were relieved of their positions.

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:38 PM
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Please post this in amphitheater.

Football and sports boards are not meant for politics.

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Didn't our football team march in a BLM march

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Jun 29, 2021, 1:40 PM
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last year?

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"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


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Jun 29, 2021, 1:44 PM
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What does that have to do with this topic?

This is not a football related topic in any sense.

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Because you made this statement ...

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:05 PM
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Football and sports boards are not meant for politics.

And, there was PLENTY of POLITICAL posts on FOOTBALL board then.

Thus, the hypocrisy that it was done then and continues to be done almost daily. Yet, looking back through your posts, this is the only one I could find where you raised your hand in opposition.

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"When I was young, I was sure of many things; now there are only two things of which I am sure: one is, that I am a miserable sinner; and the other, that Christ is an all-sufficient Saviour. He is well-taught who learns these two lessons." -John Newton


Re: Because you made this statement ...

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Jun 29, 2021, 2:09 PM
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It's true that I have engaged in discussing politics on non-amphitheater boards.

However, the tone and verocity of discussions has infiltrated nearly all posts and i can no longer just read normal Clemson sports updates without someone (on either side) talking about vaccines, liberals/conervatives, or whatever and I think this is ruining Tigernet personally

So going forward I will endeavor to keep my comments, and kindly remind others, to put politics off the main boards which make Tigernet great.

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Re: Because you made this statement ...


Jun 30, 2021, 12:31 AM
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Welcome to T-net, COOT!!!!

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Re: Clemson Faculty doesn’t support Conservatives


Jun 29, 2021, 1:40 PM
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They should be fired period!!!! If you want freedom of speech it has to work both ways—let Iptay take a stance like this and I am done

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