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Orange Blooded [4096]
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Clemson Dropped The Swim Team Because !!!!
Aug 9, 2012, 3:40 PM
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they did not want to build a 50M pool!!! That was f'ing ridiculous. My neighborhood pool has a 50M and a 25M, and we are a neighborhood swim club !!! Dues, 550 a year. Granted, this might be "Germans", but if the now defunct AD made that decision, he should have "retired" several years a go!!! You DO NOT want "Football Morons" to be in charge of the entire Athletic Program... there once was a school named Penn State......
NOTE: the "M" after 50 in paragraph above refers to meters (a metric system measurement, roughly equivalant to a yard), NOT MILLIONs, as some TigerNet! fans thought ...
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Athletic Dir [875]
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I feel bad for the swim team, but
Aug 9, 2012, 3:43 PM
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50m for a pool for a team that does not make money and isnt even on the radar of its own schools fans is too much.
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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Most Sports DO NOT make money for the school
Aug 9, 2012, 3:54 PM
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Football is the money maker, HOWEVER, even Football is a big money LOSER at a lot of schools. My view is that there should be a wide variety of sport for all interests... because being known, for example, in "Olympic Sports" is great advertisments for the school, brings in donations from well-heeled supporters of the so called "alternative" Sports. I hope the next AD has a clue about demographic profiles.... how the "Olympic Sport" fan has a much higher median income then the average football fan (I love football too, but its true). The bottom line is, who is going to donate to the school?
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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Supporting facts please.***
Aug 9, 2012, 4:15 PM
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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Re: Supporting facts please.***
Aug 9, 2012, 4:32 PM
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There was a lot of press lately about this issue... google it and you will see lists of schools, how much they make, etc....
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Orange Blooded [3257]
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Regarding median income of FB & Olympic sport fans***
Aug 9, 2012, 4:38 PM
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Orange Blooded [4896]
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In the ACC swimming doesn't make as much sense as
Aug 9, 2012, 10:42 PM
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women's golf. We already have to maintain the course and the ACC isn't much of a swimming conference.
A public school Clemson's size cannot afford all sports. I think it made sense even though it was sad.
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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All the schools in the ACC offer swimming !!!
Aug 10, 2012, 2:26 PM
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Miami offers diving only, soon to be followed by Clemson, UMD is canceling Swim Team, BUT a big fight is going on now (the whole Athletic program is a mess)
Again, you gotta offer a wide variety of sports to attract a wide variety of interest...
The Schools
North Carolina 6-1 7-2
NC State 6-2 9-2
Virginia 3-1 5-3
Virginia Tech 4-2 8-3
Clemson 3-2 6-3
Florida State 2-2 7-3
Duke 1-6 4-7
Boston College 0-0 15-2
Maryland 0-3 4-4
Georgia Tech 0-5 2-9
Miami competes in diving only
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Orange Blooded [2928]
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Re: I feel bad for the swim team, but
Aug 9, 2012, 4:25 PM
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I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure ohwiseone was saying 50 meter pool not $50,000,000 pool
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Legend [17626]
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You might want to change your Tnet name
Aug 9, 2012, 3:52 PM
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Lest people confuse you with OhSon.
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Walk-On [113]
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$20,000,000
Aug 9, 2012, 3:54 PM
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I doubt your neighborhood pool cost $20,000,000. That's the number the swim program told the AD they would need to build a "proper" facility. The AD made a wise business decision.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Re: $20,000,000
Aug 9, 2012, 3:55 PM
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From what I've been told, a number of swimming alumni got together and agreed to pay for either all or at least a large portion of the improved facility. The program was sacked anyway.
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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I heard the same thing and ...
Aug 9, 2012, 3:59 PM
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again, this is an example of what I called "well heeled" supporters. Now what about this business about IPTAY sitting on 41 million dollars !!!??? Believe it or not, IPTAY is NOT for Football only.... read for yourself
http://www.clemsonwiki.com/wiki/IPTAY
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TDP said even if we provided all the cost, he wouldn't build it: Title IX.
Aug 9, 2012, 4:09 PM
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CU Guru [1764]
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Good for TDP!*
Aug 9, 2012, 4:15 PM
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CU Medallion [57142]
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Yep, a true visionary and great leader.***
Aug 9, 2012, 4:16 PM
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CU Medallion [64590]
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It wasn't just the cost of the new facility....
Aug 9, 2012, 6:02 PM
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The cost of the scholarships and coaches salaries were also considered.
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Legend [19694]
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Blame title IX, not TDP
Aug 9, 2012, 4:13 PM
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women's golf had facilities in place, 20 million was better used elsewhere
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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It had nothing to do with title IX
Aug 9, 2012, 4:17 PM
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More like "football, you bet" mentality
Original quote (something about competiveness, more like your not going to be competive if you don't have a pool)
"This was a difficult decision. It comes as a result of a long review of Clemson's sport offerings in light of our mission to offer sports in which we have the best opportunities to be competitive," said Phillips. "Clemson's all sports program approach requires review of facilities, coaching, and student-athlete recruitment opportunities for all sport offerings. Our job is to focus on areas where we have the necessary underpinnings to be successful."
"While facilities are important in every sport, having an Olympic size pool has become most important in swimming. We have made a decision not to build a 50-meter pool, and thus feel our program is in a state where it will be very difficult to compete at the highest level in the ACC and nationally."
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Hey we're a football school and always will be
Aug 9, 2012, 4:24 PM
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TDP did a great job with not wasting money on a pool
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Legend [19694]
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Women's golf essentially replaced swimming
Aug 10, 2012, 3:48 PM
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no need for new facilities. Money better spent elsewhere
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CU Guru [1427]
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Re: Clemson Dropped The Swim Team Because !!!!
Aug 9, 2012, 4:16 PM
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On the swimming decision, if we used the reasoning that swimming doesn't make money so we shouldn't build a pool, we would not have any women's sports. I also can't believe we are delaying baseball locker room renovations while we wait to raise just $1M. Spend that money and get started rather than continiung to be at a recruiting disadvantage. It ain't rocket science.
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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How much money does the swim team bring in? Do they
Aug 9, 2012, 4:17 PM
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have 84,000 fans? Did ESPN give billions of $ cause of the swim team? No one cares about the swim team, NO ONE. Well you
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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Looking at College Sports Only From The $ Of View ....
Aug 9, 2012, 4:20 PM
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can get you in BIG trouble... I heard about this school named Penn State .... some bad things happened, very bad... but for years it was swept under the rug because all the $$$ that came in..... one day....
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Yeah well if SC is building new facilities for football and
Aug 9, 2012, 4:29 PM
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basketball, while we're building swimming pools, where does that leave us? Football is where Clemson's bread is buttered.
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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Take a couple mil and build the dang pool !!!
Aug 9, 2012, 4:37 PM
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Granted, the Swim Team WANTED an olympic class pool, but they should have gotten what met the requirements. Its a concrete hole, 50M in length, put a bubble with a heater on it in the winter... good enough. ALSO, Clemson student could use it, the community could use it (pay fees).... it would have paid for itself.
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How much of that $20 million did you agree to pay?***
Aug 9, 2012, 6:05 PM
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Re: How much money does the swim team bring in? Do they
Aug 9, 2012, 4:53 PM
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If the alumni said they'd pay for it, it doesn't cost the AD any more than it already cost. Actually it would likely save money, as the old pool is in bad condition and is closed for maintenance more often than it is open.
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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THAT is why the seach is on for an AD with VISION !!!***
Aug 9, 2012, 5:18 PM
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Re: THAT is why the seach is on for an AD with VISION !!!***
Aug 10, 2012, 5:42 PM
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Yeah we need a guy who is all in for swimming
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Orange Blooded [4096]
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And Lacrosse !***
Aug 10, 2012, 5:46 PM
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All-TigerNet [11435]
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Hey everyone, lets make them happy and go to Wal mart and
Aug 9, 2012, 4:22 PM
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buy them a 150.00 pool. We can take up donations here can't we? Why you need a pool when Lake Hartwell is right there?
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CU Guru [1198]
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are you done
Aug 9, 2012, 4:36 PM
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sounding like an idiot?
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CU Medallion [64590]
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TDP hates speedos***
Aug 9, 2012, 5:58 PM
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Re: Clemson Dropped The Swim Team Because !!!!
Aug 9, 2012, 6:20 PM
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Our son swam at CU and my wife and I are also grads, he needed to go away long ago.
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Re: Clemson Dropped The Swim Team Because !!!!
Aug 10, 2012, 6:15 PM
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I'd take women's golf over swimming any day of the week.
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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You can sympathise with hitting off the women's tees?
Aug 10, 2012, 6:24 PM
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Or do you have a hard time hitting it past the women's tees?
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Re: You can sympathise with hitting off the women's tees?
Aug 10, 2012, 10:44 PM
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u mad?
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Orange Blooded [4896]
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They may offer it but I don't think any are
Aug 10, 2012, 6:31 PM
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NCAA leaders. Correct me if I am wrong. Also swimming is not big in SC high schools. Golf is a better fit all the way around and no need to build new facilities.
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