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Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:23 AM
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I actually slept a full six hours so feeling much better. Let's play catch up.
Before the news broke on Venables I told you a name to watch was Wes Goodwin, who is a defensive analyst in his second stint here. Wes impressed Bruce Arians so much that Bruce took him to Arizona to work with the Cardinals. Wes came back when Bruce left Zona. As I said, Wes has a special gift for breaking down an opposing offense and figuring out how to beat it. I also heard Brent desperately wanted Wes to go with him, but Wes is out on the road recruiting right now and will be the co-defensive coordinator with Mickey Conn in the bowl game. Heard that yesterday and wanted to confirm.
Now, let's talk about another name that is generating a little buzz - Zac Alley. I will preface this by saying I don't know if CDS has contacted Zac or if an interview is taking place. None of that. But there has been a little buzz about Zac since this happened. He previously worked for four years (2015-18) as a graduate assistant here, and he's a Clemson graduate. He is also young - 28. Alley spent his entire postgraduate career at Clemson on the defensive side of the football, where he worked primarily with the defensive tackles and linebackers. He coached ILB at Boise and was special teams coordinator of the year (something Brent helped with), and I bet he would love to come home (even if to coach LB). He is also the nephew of Nancy O'Dell. So maybe we would see more of Nancy as well.
Dan Radakovich - no news there. I was told might not happen till Thursday. Or it could happen in the next hours. So we wait and watch.
Tony Elliott - A lot of smoke last night about Elliott and Duke. Duke is wanting to wrap up their search by the end of this week and Elliott certainly seems to be in a good spot.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:27 AM
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That is for the update David. Worst thing I read in that was that BV was wanting to take some of the staff with him. I know it happens but really don’t want to see that. He can have the git back coach but that’s it!
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:28 AM
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Oops. Thanks for the update. I need to proofread better.
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Rival Killer [3078]
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:29 AM
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No, we need to keep Adam Smotherman around to take over when we FINALLY "fire Batson"!
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Game Day Hero [4573]
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Thanks for the update !
Dec 7, 2021, 9:27 AM
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This!***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:40 AM
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so then Zac is Kendall's son?
Dec 7, 2021, 9:28 AM
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played early 80's.
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Re: so then Zac is Kendall's son?
Dec 7, 2021, 8:28 PM
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Yes he is!
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:29 AM
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CONN AND GOODWIN WILL BE PERMANENT CO-DC. TRUST THAT.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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That sounds like a good option!
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:46 AM
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I hope not. Goodwin seems like someone that could definitely do it after a few years of DC experience down the road, but I don't really understand the Conn thing.
Also, neither of those would fit the "outside" hire that David alluded to yesterday.
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CU Guru [1906]
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:12 AM
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CONN AND GOODWIN WILL BE PERMANENT CO-DC. TRUST THAT.
Deroberts, you may end up being correct but I doubt you have more insight than David Hood. SMH.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:29 AM
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Thanks David, Excellent Take.
GO TIGERS!!!!!!
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Finally, some potential coaching news I have a strong
Dec 7, 2021, 9:30 AM
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opinion about! The opinion is this:
Seeing more of Nancy O'Dell could never be a bad thing. 
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Orange Blooded [2330]
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She'll always be Nancy Humphries to me.***
Dec 7, 2021, 9:53 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3397]
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Re: She'll always be Nancy Humphries to me.***
Dec 7, 2021, 10:41 AM
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Still have my ATO calendar with Nancy on the cover!
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Re: She'll always be Nancy Humphries to me.***
Dec 7, 2021, 8:09 PM
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Same here. I knew Nancy very well while in school at CU. She is as advertised, nicest person in the world, salt of the earth and great family from Myrtle Beach. Top notch all the way! And a great representative of Clemson University and the State of SC.
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Why in the world would anyone want to coach at Duke??
Dec 7, 2021, 9:36 AM
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For football, I mean. Does TE know that the opening is for the football head coach and he's not thinking it's for basketball?
I could see Virginia for him - not a bad place - but Duke? Really? Unless he's thinking it's a good place to cut his teeth. A successful season at Duke is breaking 500 and getting a bowl berth, as opposed to other schools where they want to win the division, conference, etc. So maybe that's it? Low expectations? If he does average, he stays b/c that's what Duke is used to, and if he excels, he moves on to a better program after a few years?
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Re: Why in the world would anyone want to coach at Duke??
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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I don't think there are as many differences between the Duke and UVA jobs as many people think.
I think the biggest one if being able to recruit kids from the state of Virginia that just want to stay home.
I don't think either is a very good job for a first time head coach to take.
If you aren't able to recruit off of previous head coaching success like Bronco was doing and like Cutcliffe was doing for a little while, then you don't have much going for you at either place.
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Like Vandy, you sell the education...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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since neither of those school sends a whole lot of players to the NFL.
Then you sell an opportunity for early playing time.
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Re: Like Vandy, you sell the education...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:52 AM
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I agree, but the flip side of selling the education is that players have to meet pretty high academic standards at each school just to qualify for acceptance.
I think that, plus a lack of support, is where both schools really become a tough job.
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It's a tough gig for an experienced coach...
Dec 7, 2021, 9:59 AM
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let alone for a first time head coach.
Schools like Vandy, Duke and UVa should move to Conference USA. Vandy and UVa would dominate in baseball and Duke and UVa would dominate in hoops.
All three would be much more competitive in football.
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Re: Why in the world would anyone want to coach at Duke??
Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 AM
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UVa is more like UNC than Duke.
They don't have the academic standards Duke does.
OTOH, Duke has majors for the basketball players where anyone with a pulse can graduate in 3 years because it's like an 80 credit degree.
UVa occasionally does take football seriously. Duke never does.
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Clemson Conqueror [11484]
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Re: Why in the world would anyone want to coach at Duke??
Dec 7, 2021, 10:24 AM
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UVA only takes football serious after they are good.
I guess they are similar to UNC in that way.
Duke never gets excited about football, but they are also never actually good.
From an administration standpoint, there isn't much support there at UVA or Duke.
Yes Duke uses academic exemptions in basketball to bring in recruits that would not otherwise qualify.
This isn't done at the same level for the football team, but the standards are more relaxed for football recruits than for normal student applicants.
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Well said ...
Dec 7, 2021, 5:31 PM
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Duke, being a private school, supposedly has lots of leeway on athlete curriculum. Allegedly, Dean Smith once commented on George Lynch and Donald Williams having higher board scores than Laettner and Hurley.
And if UNCheat is casting dispersions ...?
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Re: Possibly
Dec 7, 2021, 9:47 AM
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When you make north of $2 mil a year, you're going to get criticism.
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Re: Possibly
Dec 7, 2021, 9:53 AM
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Chad Morris took the Clemson job to help himself become a college head coach.
He didn't leave because he was tired of people complaining.
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Unwarranted?
Dec 7, 2021, 10:24 AM
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LOL! Your offense can't drop to 95th in the country and not get criticized. He get's paid MAJOR money to handle criticism from fans. If he can't handle that criticism then he can take a job doing something else. This is BIG TIME D1 college football...he can suckkk it up.
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Duke football is one of the best jobs in the world
Dec 7, 2021, 11:08 AM
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Nice location, good paycheck, low expectations. A coach can coast for years without achieving much and - if they actually do get hot and have a good run (ala Steve Spurrier) - they can parley it into a move upward.
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Re: Duke football is one of the best jobs in the world
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Dec 7, 2021, 12:10 PM
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They even have a person on staff to call all the students and tell them to walk over to the game when they have a lead in the 4th quarter.
Now that’s attention to detail.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:39 AM
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I believe I mentioned this in another thread but I said that I feel Dabo will hire someone no one is talking about. All these ridiculous names being thrown around like Diaz. I mean that’s not how Dabo operates. He’s always had a list of guys he’s worked with or watched from afar. Us fans are not connected and quite frankly couldn’t coach a our way out of a paper bag and act like we know who he should hire. Fact is I have no clue who Dabo will go after. I’m just going to trust him because he’s earned it.
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The OC hire will be MUCH more important than DC.....
Dec 7, 2021, 9:41 AM
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assuming TE goes.
it's an offensive game. I'd prefer Dabo "take a chance" on an Alley or other "non-name" and go get an established OC with an established spread identity.
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The OC hire is irrelevant
Dec 7, 2021, 9:47 AM
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as long as said person(s) has to deal with Robbie Caldwell's recruiting.
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well........Oline has to be fixed as well
Dec 7, 2021, 9:49 AM
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FWIW I don't think it's been the recruiting as much as the development. The last 3-4 years of OLine recruiting has actually been really good "on paper".........but nothing to show for.
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Injuries and youth moreso than anything.
Dec 7, 2021, 10:27 AM
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I expect Oline to be strength next year.
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Thanks David, I saw the report about Conn yesterday
Dec 7, 2021, 9:42 AM
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and honestly thought we were being trolled.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:43 AM
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I assume with Goodwin and Alley we'd be looking at them to fill roles after possible departures of current staff, or are they guys we're legitimately looking at for the DC position. Alley, maybe, seeing as he's a current DC, but Goodwin would seem not likely considering he hasn't been even a position coach yet.
Say Alley came in as LB coach, are there any other names you're seeing for DC?
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:43 AM
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Thank you for that insight David Hood!
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:44 AM
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So Reed and Bates are leaving. Those 2 not being co coordinators for the bowl is kind of a slap in the face. Conn has only been in college football for what 2 years. #### Dabo!!!
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:48 AM
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That's a possibility that they are both leaving.
Another possibility is that Conn will call the defense because he's the only one of the 3 that has actually called plays for a defense before. Yes I know it was at the high school level.
He may be more comfortable that the other two with stepping in and trying to emulate the way Venables calls plays.
In the bowl game, keeping things similar in terms of sending in plays is likely part of the discussion.
Also maybe it's not a slap in the face if they like their current positions.
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I remember a big loss to Duke my Fr year
Dec 7, 2021, 9:51 AM
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Someone named Spurrier beat us..... Duke was a good stop for him.
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Spurrier was the OC at Duke ...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:04 AM
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before they named him the head coach. He was smart enough to realize that he couldn't just line-up and go head to head against with bigger/better programs, so he developed the "Air Ball" offense at a time when pretty much everyone else was still running the option. It was new, innovative, and harder to defend because no one else was running it.
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Re: I remember a big loss to Duke my Fr year
Dec 7, 2021, 10:18 AM
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Spurrier didn't beat us in 1989. The wet field and losing 5 fumbles beat us. Two of the lost fumbles were after long interceptions near our goal line and gave Duke two cheap TDs.
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I was at that game and to say Clemson played ...
Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 AM
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like $#!7 would be a gross understatement and putting it mildly.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 9:58 AM
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Well, if anybody has any concrete evidence it is David Hood .Now I don't have to read anything else.
Oh wait I forgot eSECpn!
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Orange Phenom [14754]
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Thanks for the update David - I'm sure Dabo will make a
Dec 7, 2021, 10:03 AM
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great pick for our new DC - whoever it ends up being. That said - you were remiss in the requirement that if you make a post that mentions Nancy O'Dell then there must be an accompanying picture. So - I'll help a brother out:
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Does the kid need a step-uncle?***
Dec 7, 2021, 10:25 AM
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Was hoping for a homerun hire :/
Dec 7, 2021, 10:15 AM
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Goodwin seems promising.... don't get Conn at all.
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Re: Was hoping for a homerun hire :/
Dec 7, 2021, 11:40 AM
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Really? Conn is Dabo's boy from back at bama. Only coaches high school for almost 17 years. Now coordinating defense at a top 10 program? We've seen this before. If I'm Bates or Reed I'm leaving for OU today if the offer is there.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:17 AM
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Definitely doesn’t sound as if it were as coveted a position as originally thought.
I do know this , with an average to slightly above average Defense this year, Clemson is sitting at 6-6.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:21 AM
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Would love Zac Alley coming in as LB coach. Such a “Dabo hire” of a guy who no one knows about but is a rising star in the industry. As long as he retains Bates, Goodwin and Reed, I won’t really mind who the DC is, as long as it’s not Conn.
Would love to see Dabo inquire about David Reeves at UAB. Havoc-creating defensive mind.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:26 AM
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What is with the dislike for Conn?
Isn't he the only defensive coach left on staff who has actually been a defensive coordinator at any level?
I personally don't know if he is best for the job or not, but I don't get the "anybody but Conn" notion.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:31 AM
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Is Conn the guy who was Trevor Lawrence’s High School coach?
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:36 AM
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I believe Conn coached at Grayson HS. He was incredibly successful there.
Trevor did not play there. He played at Cartersville.
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Dec 7, 2021, 10:34 AM
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I don’t have anything against Conn, he just doesn’t strike me as an innovator in any way, if that makes sense. I prefer the younger guys who are hungrier and likely a lot more innovative and creative and have something to prove than taking a swing at a much older coach who’s proven he’s not much of an elite recruiter. Sure, Mukuba was a nice find, but that was BV/Dabo all the way. Other than that? Conn has given us Zanders, Thornton, Phillips, and Mickens…not exactly murderer’s row on the backend. I just feel like the next DC needs to be creative and an ELITE recruiter, not just an average one.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:41 AM
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I know very little about Conn except that his defenses were very good when he was a high school coach. I don't know what style he played or anything like that. Maybe he just had better players than the other team.
I also see that his safeties are getting better with each class and were set to do so again without the defection due to Venables leaving.
I also feel it's hard to be creative when you aren't in charge of anything. His position's job is to cover up for the creativity happening in front of them.
If he isn't a good recruiter then he isn't the man for the job. Clemson needs a DC to close the deal with recruits since Dabo is more offensive minded and plays the role of closer on that side of the ball mostly.
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:38 AM
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Please ffs don't let Conn be permanent DC. Half the players that he recruits transfer.
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Orange Elite [5212]
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Thank you for the updates!***
Dec 7, 2021, 10:41 AM
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Re: Catching up on names/possibilities
Dec 7, 2021, 10:46 AM
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So our options are a guy who's never been a coordinator at the college level, a guy who's never been a position coach at any level and a first year DC with the 110th ranked defense in the nation?
This is still Clemson right?
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Clarification on Coach Conn
Dec 7, 2021, 10:49 AM
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Hey crew, Micky was our long-time coach here in Grayson GA, Trevor Lawrence Played for Cartersville HS.
Dabo and Micky are college roommates and very close and obviously have been for a long time. Micky and his family are awesome people and he is a very effective defensive Coach. I don't know about being the Sole Coordinator but I trust Dabo's judgement on this.
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Re: Clarification on Coach Conn
Dec 7, 2021, 11:57 AM
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So yea let’s just hire people because we were college roommates??!?!! My God I hope this isn’t the case- if we lose Bates & Reed, & keep Conn we got screwed over!!!
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Re: Clarification on Coach Conn
Dec 7, 2021, 12:26 PM
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Our expectations are where they are because of what has been achieved with Dabo as head coach making coach and personnel decisions. I think he has earned the trust to make them in the future. Sit back and enjoy the best of times in Clemson football history.
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Re: Clarification on Coach Conn
Dec 7, 2021, 11:57 AM
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So yea let’s just hire people because we were college roommates??!?!! My God I hope this isn’t the case- if we lose Bates & Reed, & keep Conn we got screwed over!!!
HOW DO SOME OF YOU IDIOTS FUNCTION IN THE REAL WORLD
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