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Varsity [104]
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Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 9:41 AM
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Heisman? IIRC Pac12 won last year and ACC the year before. Could it be that your glasses may have an orange tint to them and can't accept that Henry had a Heisman worthy season?
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National Champion [7675]
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Re: Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 9:46 AM
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I think the problem is that they gave him the trophy a couple months ago...
watching an awards presentation when you already know the outcome is no fun
If all they players got equal hype and representation and the outcome was truly "unknown" until the vote...less folks would b pizzed imho
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Valley Protector [1401]
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This. ESPN picks a favorite and then creates the hype to
Dec 13, 2015, 10:55 AM
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drive them. Most voters don't seem to be willing to understand what's truly behind the numbers, so they take the guy with the best publicity.
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Campus Hero [13551]
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Clemson Sports Icon [56104]
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Hanging chads!
Dec 13, 2015, 9:51 AM
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That's all
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CU Guru [1346]
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Who says they are rigging it towards the SEC?
Dec 13, 2015, 10:31 AM
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They are still practically campaigning for whoever they like as the winner.
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Varsity [104]
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Literally 75% of the posters the last 3 days.***
Dec 13, 2015, 10:35 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3506]
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Re: Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 10:36 AM
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sec did not have one close to them those years. So they made it even more push to get one for the falling sec this year.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 10:44 AM
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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I just find it funny that you continuously
Dec 13, 2015, 1:37 PM
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Call everybody "conspiracy theorisis" over all of this. Are you really so naive as to believe that all media outlets are fair and unbiased? Wake up dood!
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Varsity [104]
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Had the media been pushing Watson, would you complain?
Dec 13, 2015, 1:44 PM
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Comparing Watson to Henry to MilfCaffery is apples to oranges to potatoes at best. I think the 11 int is what sunk Watson in the end. Do I think he deserved it? Yes. Do I think the other 2 did as well? Yes.
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Standout [316]
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Re: Had the media been pushing Watson, would you complain?
Dec 13, 2015, 1:48 PM
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You can't have an honest opinion around these folks. I've never seen anything like it.
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Huh?
Dec 13, 2015, 1:49 PM
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Of course I wouldn't complain. That's exactly what im getting at
If ESPN had been pumping Watson the way they had been pumping Henry the last month, do you think the results would have been different?
For the record, Im not complaining about it...it is what it is. Im just saying its crazy to argue that ESPN doesn't have any influence on the outcome
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Varsity [104]
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So was the media wrong to promote Henry?***
Dec 13, 2015, 1:49 PM
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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No
Dec 13, 2015, 1:52 PM
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But you can't argue that Henry was pushed far more by ESPN than McCaffrey and even more so than Watson was. Thats not an opinion its a fact
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Standout [316]
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Re: No
Dec 13, 2015, 1:54 PM
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You also can't prove that over 900 media members used ESPN as their primary source. Let it go.
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Varsity [104]
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Re: No
Dec 13, 2015, 1:56 PM
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Varsity [104]
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And last year they pushed Mariota, Year before Winston.
Dec 13, 2015, 1:54 PM
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It's not always about "ESECPN Spin"
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Look, you are missing my point but it really doesn't matter
Dec 13, 2015, 1:56 PM
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There's no sense in arguing amongst ourselves over something silly like this. Henry had a great year and the voters deemed him the winner. Its over.
This team has much bigger goals in sight that aren't determined by a vote or influenced by the media. DW will take the field and make his case in a few short weeks....then the rest of the country will see what we already knew.
Go Tigers!
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Varsity [104]
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I think you may have missed mine. Agree to disagree.
Dec 13, 2015, 1:58 PM
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Go Tigers!
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Seriously
Dec 13, 2015, 1:51 PM
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Not trying to attack you or your opinion at all. I think all 3 are worthy candidates and yes, Watson did win the Obrien award (as he was MOST deserving compared to who he was up against)
I just have to argue that the media has a huge influence on the outcome....that's all im saying
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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So because 1 misinformed homer on Tnet says that
Dec 13, 2015, 1:57 PM
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It makes us all uninformed homers?
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Varsity [104]
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I didn't use the word misinformed, but that post reflects
Dec 13, 2015, 1:59 PM
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the general sentiment I've seen in 70-80% of the posts about the Heisman since Friday.
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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That is true
Dec 13, 2015, 2:04 PM
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And frankly, I find it annoying as well
But I don't think people are seriously saying that "ESPN rigged the voting." Thats BS
What they DID do is promote their favorite (who yes, had a very Heisman worthy season) over 2 other candidates who also has very Heisman worthy seasons. I think David Hood summed it up perfectly with his article this morning, and I echo his thoughts.
All I'm saying is that its borderline ludicrous to argue that ESPN doesn't play a major role in swaying voters one way or another.
But I'm with you, all the whining is annoying and needs to stop. We are all on the same team here. Oh well, time to move on. Happy Sunday to you and I will see you in Miami!
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Varsity [104]
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FWIW
Dec 13, 2015, 2:06 PM
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BEWM! +1***
Dec 13, 2015, 2:15 PM
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Re: Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 10:45 AM
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The Spin machine at work! Your welcome.
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Game Day Hero [4125]
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AJ McCarron was a Heisman finalist and Maxwell award winner
Dec 13, 2015, 10:53 AM
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With these stats. If this doesn't say it's rigged, I don't know what does.
226 completions
336 attempts
67.3 %
3063 yards
9.1 avg
28 td
7 int
167.2 QBR
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Varsity [104]
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And who won it that year?***
Dec 13, 2015, 11:03 AM
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Game Day Hero [4125]
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Re: And who won it that year?***
Dec 13, 2015, 11:09 AM
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Jameis with 4000+ yards 44 td's and 10 int's. Tell me how McCarron beat out that for the Maxwell.
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Varsity [104]
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Character?***
Dec 13, 2015, 11:10 AM
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National Champion [8040]
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they don't rig, just unfairly influence with constant hype.***
Dec 13, 2015, 11:23 AM
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Re: Can someone explain to me how ESECPN has been rigging the
Dec 13, 2015, 12:01 PM
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Lincoln said, "I find that people believe exactly what they want to believe".
He was right and to your point, the SEC has won the Heisman 7 times in the last 30 years.
It's not rigged.
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Legend [6933]
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EScpn has been in existence a few years = media blitz***
Dec 13, 2015, 12:25 PM
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Legend [6933]
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IT IS CALL A MEDIA BLITZ IDIOT! (Is your other name York?)
Dec 13, 2015, 12:19 PM
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It was obvious after lsu win by Bama, that they switched over to Henry from Fournette!
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Varsity [104]
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Re: IT IS CALL A MEDIA BLITZ IDIOT! (Is your other name York?)
Dec 13, 2015, 12:26 PM
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Legend [6933]
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Oh, I thought so, you are York! Cut down on that
Dec 13, 2015, 12:38 PM
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dope guy!
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All-TigerNet [14488]
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Do you REALLY think ESPN has NO influence
Dec 13, 2015, 1:35 PM
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On voters?
As the mainstream source of sports journalism in this country, whatever they pump or spin will inevitably resonate with those who tune in.
If they push Henry Henry Henry for the month leading up to the award presentation, isn't it more likely that more people will tend to lean that way as well?
It really isn't that complicated and it certainly isn't farfetched by any means
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Legend [15863]
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NOT sure -- BUT I can TELL you THIS- if SEC had
Dec 13, 2015, 1:51 PM
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an undefeated team with the STATS that Watson has
THAT IS ALL YOU WOULD HEAR ALL DAY ON ESPN -- AND HE WOULD HAVE WON THE HEISMAN INSTEAD OF HENRY
I am confident in that - but espn didn't rig it 
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Orange Phenom [14588]
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I'm sure it has some influence. Probably not nearly as much
Dec 13, 2015, 1:58 PM
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as the average TNETer would like to believe, but the hype train is a HUGE part of winning the Heisman, and a network as big as ESPN can certainly help get the hype snowball rolling.
That said, the whining about Watson not winning has been pretty unbearable around here. It's not like he was a clear cut favorite - even stat wise. I think the argument for Watson is that he's more the MVP. If you take him off Clemson, we win like 9 games and finish 2nd in the division behind FSU again. Take Henry off Bama and they just plug in the next RB behind that OL and are probably in a similar place to where they are now.
IMO the biggest factor in Watson not winning the Heisman is that he was quiet in the early part of the season. We had the training wheels on him early while he regained confidence in his knee, and we also had some games that just dictated keeping the ball on the ground more. Watson's run of Heisman form didn't start until at least our 5th game of the season, and it was several more weeks before he really started getting the hype.
If DW had been healthy at the beginning of the season and put up the kind of numbers he did later in the season he would've had the stats, and, more importantly, the hype train to win the Heisman this year.
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Oculus Spirit [43144]
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Advertising works
Dec 13, 2015, 2:14 PM
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they stick commercials of coke on the tube over and over and next thing you know you buy coke instead of RC cola even though RC is clearly better
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