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Apr 4, 2022, 12:07 AM

Brad Brownell has been here so long that it can be hard to truly appreciate just how ridiculous his tenure has been. Just like you don't notice the changes when you look into the mirror every day, we have taken a succession of absurd contracts and just sloughed them of as business as usual. But they aren't business as usual. They're actually punishingly stupid. The punishment being an endless procession of miserable basketball.

He was hired in 2010. It wasn't the splash some of us hoped for but wasn't terrible and was greeted with a modest contract. $900,000 for 6 years ($5.4 million). He inherited a tournament ready team. Essentially 70% of scoring and minutes played from the 2009-2010 team. He also inherited 3 of 4 sophomores who were very highly regarded. That team limped into the NCAA tournament in the first year of the "First Four." This was an opportunity never afforded his predecessors. He did win the "First Four" game but he did not win his Round of 64 matchup. So how was this modest success responded to by TDP? With an absurd 33% immediate rate and extension. His remaining $4.5 million contract was, after one year, converted to a $7.2 million dollar contract.

Brownell followed that season up a 16-15, 7th place finish in 2011-2012. Obviously, the exuberance wore off and our AD realized a more cautious approach might be need. Oh wait. Nevermind. Brownell was rewarded with yet another raise bumping his $6 million remaining balance to $6.5 million. Strangely, Brad's proxies cry that there was no money to spend to improve the program. Can't imagine why.

In 2012-13 he had his worst year as head coach. 13-18. 11th in the ACC. No postseason. Miraculously he would not receive a raise or extension. He has $5.2 million left on his contract.

2013-2014. Dan Radakovich first gift to Clemson basketball fans. Clemson, which had been to 3 straight NCAA tourneys prior to Brownell's arrival, would finally return to the post season. It was a NIT Semifinal. But apparently that is enough to justify breaking the bank. Despite 2 seasons with no postseason and only making the NIT, Brownell was rewarded with possibly the most ridiculous extension ever given to a Power 5 coach. At the completion of this season Brad has $3.9 million owed for 3 more seasons. Radakovich reward him with a fresh new contract. $10.6 million for 6 years AND a much more prohibitive buyout arrangement.

2014-2015. Oh look. We suck again. No postseason. We are spared the indignity of a raise or extension.

2015-2016. Still no postseason. Inexplicably DRad doesn't feel the urge to give a raise.

2016-2017. well we made the NIT. I mean we lost at home in the first round. BUT WE MADE THE NIT. Extensions all around. So, Brad was down to 3 seasons and $5.7 million owed. Lets go ahead and make that 4 seasons and $7.7 million. And lets make sure we keep that prohibitive one-way buy out locked in nice and tight.

2017-2018. well we done f*cked up now because we let him find his way into a Sweet 16. It's only his second trip to the NCAA in 8 seasons. And the first time in his careers he's won any round of 64 games. But who are we kidding this is where he becomes coach for life without the title. Brownell ended the season owed $5.9 million for 3 more seasons of work. Not so fast says Dan Radakovich. For the unprecedented success lets tear up that old contract and triple it's value. 6 years and $15 million dollars. Oh lets put a bow on top with even more restrictive buyout.

2018-19. What could wrong? Despite a rocky decade or so our athletic department and it's cummulative directors have been vindicated. Returning 4 seniors from a Sweet 16 this is the year and will definitely justify the incredible wealth transference that has occurred between IPTAY donors and Coach Brownell. Or we'll lost at home in in the NIT. Somehow DRad swallows the urge to throw more of our money at him. We have 5 years and $12.5 million remaining.

2019-20. Post season cancelled. But with a projected RPI of 109, a 16-15 record, 9-11 9th place finish in the ACC we were going anywhere. Somehow the urge to give him more money is resisted and he is owed $10 million for 4 years.

2020-2021. Back in the tourney where he is promptly bounced in the first round. Man can't live on $2.5 million dollars in this day and age. He's owed $7.5 for 3 years. But can't risk letting this man get away. Let make that $14.1 million for 5 years. However, for the first time in his tenure buyouts terms are reduced.

2021-22. No postseason. 1 game above .500. This is what we have been given for 12 years every time Clemson invests in this coach. He's currently due $11.5 million for 4 more seasons.

I know this post is gonna get a lot of TLDR. But if you actually follow the money that has been sunk into this coach it is frankly embarrassing. We're worse than Charlie Brown kicking the football. BECAUSE WE'RE PAYING LUCY NEARLY $3 MILLION A YEAR TO RIP THE FOOTBALL AWAY FROM US. YEAR AFTER YEAR.

To anyone that wants to take the Pro-Brownell side of this here is my challenge. Please find a single Power 5 coach, ever, that has been so heavily invested in with so little return. I would love to see it. Over $22 million over 12 years for exactly 2 round of 64 victories. Find me a single worse return on investment.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:07 AM

Uh oh you’re going to cause that idiot J. Keller to get its thong in a wad. I just read his post on DRad SMH. This board was so much better when it was on hiatus and just using several other handles. I don’t know who’s worse JK or the posters that cried like an Elvis fan when it returned.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:34 PM

Amen tu.

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Class of ‘71. Went through “rat season” and glad I did.


For a school that doesn’t spend any money on basketball…

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Apr 4, 2022, 6:01 AM

We sure have invested a lot of time and MONEY on his sorry ace.

It sure does seem like DRad gave him more money than he deserved. Maybe that’s why JK wrote that sweet poast about him the other day.

~JKB

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If BrownL weren't so greedy he could have directed some


Apr 5, 2022, 10:18 AM

of that extra salary over the years to assistants or facilities or whatever else the BrownLers constantly whine and harp about that's holding him back from success. He has a great example right next door in Dabo. Instead he pockets it all and holds our program hostage with just enough to save his skin for next year.

Shameful.

#FreeClemsonBasketball

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Apr 4, 2022, 6:38 AM

Great explanation how DRAd really messed up the basketball program that Neff will have to find away to climb out of, but didn't choose to do it after this season...

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Apr 4, 2022, 6:50 AM

I thought this was a pretty informative post which probably took some time to research and write and it was about a Clemson sport, much better than posts whining about what Dawn Staley is wearing or Coach K or anything non-Clemson related.

I would agree that Brownell seems to be paid a lot for little in return. The strongest points about him that I see are he seems to run a clean program. I say seems in both cases because I don't know all the details about the program. I think like many fans during his tenure I get excited then disappointed time after time and have grown tired of that cycle. I also don't see it changing under his leadership, I think history tells us that we are likely to see more of the same instead of a breakthrough.

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Apr 4, 2022, 7:13 AM



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Apr 4, 2022, 7:50 AM

Is that you when you realize you can’t find a worse way to spend $22 million on a basketball coach?

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:31 AM

viztiz said:

Is that you when you realize you can’t find a worse way to spend $22 million on a basketball coach?


rhis much or more money. The thing you cant seem to grasp as a coot is CBB runs a great program (you know actually graduating players and representing the university) and finishes typically in the middle of the pack. This is better than Clemson has finished historically and certainly better then the investment in the program.

If you look at LSU where every single player and recruit bailed you can get the idea of what worse looks like. You can also look at other conference teams who have decided that cycling through coaches to fix non coaching issues is the way to go as a worse way to spend money

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Quick! Someone call Clemson’s sports marketing department!

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:36 AM

“Clemson Basketball: It Could be Worse”

I’m really feeling this as a slogan to get people fired up for next season. Seriously.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:38 AM

I mean my very simple challenge is to find a single coach ever paid more for less. It should be simple. But all the can say is how bad Clemson basketball is. There are lots of bad programs out there. Which one has spent more for less?

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:38 AM

Row86® said:

“Clemson Basketball: It Could be Worse”

I’m really feeling this as a slogan to get people fired up for next season. Seriously.





Nancy St was 11-21 this year
GT was 12-20 this year
Pitt was 11-21 this year
BC was 13-20 this year
Louisville was 13-19 this year
Syracuse was 16-17 this year

All of these teams are historically better programs than Clemson Basketball. They prove that cycling through coaches is not the answer.

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Yes!!!

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:46 AM

There’s nothing more exciting than knowing that being average is actually pretty good.

When do tickets go on sale?

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:48 AM

Row86® said:

There’s nothing more exciting than knowing that being average is actually pretty good.

When do tickets go on sale?




Morons like you stated things cant be worse but we showed they absolutely be worse. Maybe you and your unhinged hater friends could learn difference?

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Can you please translate what you just tried to say?***


Apr 4, 2022, 10:07 AM



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Apr 4, 2022, 12:21 PM

Here’s the translation:

https://youtu.be/U-2u5jIfjxo

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And...

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:59 AM

All those teams beat Clemson this year (IIRC)

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:01 AM

GT is not a historically better basketball program than Clemson. We own the series record against them. But a coot who is obsessed with Clemson retaining the worst coaches wouldn’t know that.

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Apr 4, 2022, 12:42 PM

Hey just one 329, YOU should hv expected our BB Tigers to have a much better record since all of those ACC better-legacy teams had poor seasons.
Well. Why NOT Clemson??
Because BB found ways to ###### DEFEAT from the JAWS OF VICTORY. Remember BC & GaT were terrible teams, especially at the times that we lost to them. BUT BB found a way.
You gotta love that new marketing slogan: CLEMSON BASKETBALL -- IT COULD BE WORSE!!
Hard to believe this was such a "comparatively" GOOD season -- it could have been worse. That's a reason to CELEBRATE!!!

Thanks for that.

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Apr 5, 2022, 3:10 PM

and 4 of those teams beat us

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:36 AM

So that’s a no. You can’t find anyone worse but you have some nice aphorisms for him.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:46 AM

Its cute that you think 22M over 12 years for basketball is a lot of money.... other schools call that an annual operating expense.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:14 AM

viztiz said:

Is that you when you realize you can’t find a worse way to spend $22 million on a basketball coach?



No, its your reaction to brownell living rent free in your head.

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Apr 4, 2022, 7:32 AM

Poor vizjiz, if you really cared you would include more than your revisionist history lesson.

How much has GT or Nancy St paid in buyouts over the last 12 years with less accomplished than Clemson?

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Apr 4, 2022, 7:53 AM

How is my year by year breakdown of his contract terms “revisionist”? Perhaps if we didn’t continue giving extensions and prohibitive buyouts for a coach who has done nothing we wouldn’t need to consider what has happened at GT or NC State. And pretty tone deaf of you to include GT. I wonder whose brilliant machinations left them in the position they’re in.

It was a pretty simple question to you and the other supporters. Find a single worse return on investment anywhere in Power 5 basketball. Since he’s such a great bargain it should be a very simple matter.

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Jstone just likes to show off new vocabulary words


Apr 4, 2022, 8:24 AM

that he learns on twitter.
That’s all it was.

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Wish I could give this 100 thumbs up

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:16 AM

And play the part of Will Smith vs Chris Rock on whoever gave it thumbs down.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:18 AM

It’s amazing what a few compromising photos of an athletic Director will do for you

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:44 AM

Mark Turgeon. $17.5M/5y signing in 2021 (3.3.-3.8M per year for the first year). Fired. Bring it. You want less ROI, try the last years of Gary Williams and Mark Turgeon.

Viz, come on... you really want to point to say that the squad OP left was "great". OP barely kept it above .500 in ACC play with more first round exits despite having booker (one of our only veteran NBA players ever). The fact that Brad made it his first year was beyond expectations as that team was ok, but not some legacy elite force.

first gig of any new coach is to recruit the current players.

You need to look at it as two parts. Pre/Post renovation. It was about getting us back into competition with the mid-majors.

Reno was 15-16. So 2010 and 2014 were our dancing years. And yes, we got snubbed BAD in 13-14 as the NCAA took a one-game-behind US NC State team that we beat. It wasn't a 2006 OP bad schedule, it was a "Clemson name reputation" issue. Not a bad clip with construction looming.

15-16 Construction

16-17 first team back, but nothing you can point to bringing in. The 17-18 is the partial result.

The 18-20 is more concerning drop.

20-21 Might have been our best team since 1990.

22 Million over 12 years. Sounds like Duke football to me. Dang, Louisville spends that on basketball in a single year.

We are worse than Charlie Brown kicking a football, we never hired Lucy to rip it away. We were too cheap.

Patrick Ewing, Sidney Lowe (any NC State Coach post Herb) Wake Forest Dino to previous. Matt Daughtery an easy one.

You can make a better point whether or not Brad is the right person for future development. Harping on being mediocre at a historically dead-last program - that is actually something. Pick ANY ACC program and they are a "better" job school. I am more shocked that Brad stayed after the sweet sixteen run. Most would have jetted.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:49 AM

Also, Brad doesn't even meet with the media for a wrap up of season after it's over. Did it e after every season, up to last year. Knows there is no interest in the program. Doesn't want any spin on the mediocre program.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:34 AM

nctigs said:

Also, Brad doesn't even meet with the media for a wrap up of season after it's over. Did it e after every season, up to last year. Knows there is no interest in the program. Doesn't want any spin on the mediocre program.




If CBB meets with the media will you stop posting about it or will you nit-pick every word and complain constantly like you do now?

BTW have you every visited the town of Clemson or the Clemson University campus? Its really a nice place you you should put it on your bucket list of places to visit for the first time...

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:40 AM

ERMEHGERD! This is indefensible!

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:19 AM

It's hilarious that the Brad haters think that any coach could win at a high rate with this returning roster in year 2. Why do you think this talent was so amazing?

- Andre Young
- tanner smith
- Milton Jennings
- devin booker
- brain narcissus
- catelin baciu.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:42 AM


It's hilarious that the Brad haters think that any coach could win at a high rate with this returning roster in year 2. Why do you think this talent was so amazing?

- Andre Young
- tanner smith
- Milton Jennings
- devin booker
- brain narcissus
- catelin baciu.



Still waiting! Which one of OP's recruiting classes could have come in paired with the returning talent and won at a high level?

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:50 AM

The 2009 freshman class was our highest rated class ever. With 12 years of hindsight maybe a little, just a little, of responsibility for their inability to develop belongs with Coach Brownell. Nah, you’re right it’s always every one else’s fault when we’re talking about Brownell.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:57 AM

And it was one of the most bogus paper-star classes... ever. Only a coot would believe in such a bad "rating" making a good team.

Only one played at the professional in the US and that was NUK! Nothing says being a basketball school like having the only US professional in the NFL...

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:00 AM

So, just be clear, Brownell is just super unlucky and everything is always someone’s else’s fault?

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:14 AM

It’s not really a strawman. I present the fact that the freshman class the year before Brownell took over was our highest rated ever. It was. It’s also a fact that the 2 highest rated members of that class stayed for Brownell’s first season as coach. A true fact. You introduce the very subjective idea that it was a “paper class” or whatever you said. Busts happen in evaluating talent. But this was our best class ever spread over 4 players. They were evaluated by more than a few folks. Which is the greater logical fallacy - that every other party failed to do their jobs and the Brad Brownell was handed a bunch of 4 stars and a 5 star who were actually not good or that, perhaps, Brad had some small role in their lack of development? If you believe the former and I don’t think it’s a strawman to think you must believe that Brad is extremely unlucky. A program that appeared in every way on the upswing. Back to back tourneys and their best class ever with the first McDonald’s All American. A team returning 70% of its offensive scoring and minutes for Brad’s first year with that best class still only sophomores. Basketball coaches often walk into decimated teams. This one was by Brownell’s own statements ready to go. To go from that to we need a complete rebuild because those guys are trash - well that would seem to be decidedly unlucky. So try again.

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:29 AM

Show me where I said Brownell was "unlucky" in this thread or it was someone else's fault?

Saying 2009 was highly rated is not the same thing as saying it was a good squad. I think anyone who actually bothers to follow basketball would say that was "overrated" metric. They were not a great squad and the rating were a joke.

Jeeze just explaining "paper stars" ... means the ranking look good on paper (ie the "stars" look good on paper) but aren't as good as advertised. For an example see "history of coot football"

Yeah, OP & staff failed to do their job. It was a paper dream, not a good team.

Yay, Mickey D's all american. Milton Jennings.



And yeah, we did need to do a complete rebuild. 2011-2013

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:09 AM

Dang, Noel johnson got screwed. He was our second highest recruit ever (I believe) and he got screwed by brownell..... then got screwed when he transferred to auburn. He only started 5 games his last 2 years at auburn.

If only OP hadn't bolted from the program, he would probably still be in the NBA!

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:03 AM

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The 2009 freshman class was our highest rated class ever. With 12 years of hindsight maybe a little, just a little, of responsibility for their inability to develop belongs with Coach Brownell. Nah, you’re right it’s always every one else’s fault when we’re talking about Brownell.



So you are saying that Devin booker, Milton Jennings, Brian narcisse, and catelin baciu would have all been solid stud ACC players if they didn't have brownell as a coach? A serious LMAO. You can't be this stupid.

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:17 AM

I love that your default is to slam the players and feel good about it. I asked if some small part of the problem could be attributable to Brownell and you can’t even concede that. And of those players you’re attacking only 2 were in the class I referenced. Yes, I think Milton Jennings and Devin Booker could have been better under a different coach. But that’s obviously something that will never be known.

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Apr 4, 2022, 9:59 AM

Turgeon had 5 wins in the NCAA tourney. He made it 5 of his last 6 seasons (not counting the covid year) where the would have certainly made it as Big 10 regular season champs. So, not that’s not a good example. He performed at a much higher level yet they still saw reason to move on.

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:21 AM

Five Wins. Four round 1 wins and that is an accomplishment for Maryland. They won more than that in a single season.

If Turgeon was doing what he did at a bottom-tier school, it would have been fine. How about one that had both a National Championship and multiple final fours at a darkhorse/elite school in a recruiting hotbed.

He failed to make the tourney in ACC Play. Failed to be above .500 in conference play in 3 of his last four seasons. But that is the "elite school" bias if you can't be above .500 and still make the dance. We have been better and still snubbed.

Gary was made the tourney 14 of 18 years before Turgeon. Seven of those seasons were S16 ot better.

Turgeon's best accomplishments (single S16 run) matches Brad. He has never won a conference championship (ACC or B10) Even his "share" of the regular season "co-champs" would have put him 3rd in the tie-breakers due to head-to-head results.


I say he performed at a much LOWER level. He had a program spending its way into bankruptcy court. He took over a legacy program and had 5 above .500 conf. winning seasons in 11 years.

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:36 AM

Not sure why he said that about Turgeron and Williams. But to your point Williams last five years at Maryland...

2006–07 Maryland 25–9 10–6 T–3rd NCAA Division I Second Round
2007–08 Maryland 19–15 8–8 T–5th NIT Second Round
2008–09 Maryland 21–14 7–9 T–7th NCAA Division I Second Round
2009–10 Maryland 24–9 13–3 T–1st NCAA Division I Second Round
2010–11 Maryland 19–14 7–9 T–7th

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:39 AM

Turgeron's Maryland record.

Maryland Terrapins (Atlantic Coast Conference) (2011–2014)
2011–12 Maryland 17–15 6–10 8th
2012–13 Maryland 25–13 8–10 7th NIT Semifinal
2013–14 Maryland 17–15 9–9 T–7th

Maryland Terrapins (Big Ten Conference) (2014–2021)
2014–15 Maryland 28–7 14–4 2nd NCAA Division I Round of 32
2015–16 Maryland 27–9 12–6 T–3rd NCAA Division I Sweet 16
2016–17 Maryland 24–9 12–6 T–2nd NCAA Division I Round of 64
2017–18 Maryland 19–13 8–10 8th
2018–19 Maryland 23–11 13–7 5th NCAA Division I Round of 32
2019–20 Maryland 24–7 14–6 T–1st NCAA Division I Canceled
2020–21 Maryland 17–14 9–11 T–8th NCAA Division I Round of 32
2021–22 Maryland 5–3 0–0
Maryland: 226-116 (.661) 105–79 (.571)

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Apr 4, 2022, 10:49 AM

From about the mid 2000s, Maryland athletics was hemorrhaging money.

Not that Gary didn't earn it up to about 2002 but after his title run, it was kinda ho-hum. (One S16, 3NIT, 4 second round). Turgeon came in at hearly 2M in 2011 dollars and they kept Williams on-staff for athletics (only 400K). But they were setting salary records when the athletic dept was in the red. The goal was to keep a top 15 value program as a "national power'. Now they are 6th or worse in the B10 - a much weaker conference.

Again, back to Viz's rhetoric, "Find me a single worse return on investment"

Maryland

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Apr 4, 2022, 11:23 AM

I can’t keep up with all of the misinformation. How is the Big 10 worse than the ACC. The conference RPI for this season is Big 10 4th, ACC 7th. The Big 10 has finished ahead of the ACC 4 straight years and 8 of the last 12.

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Apr 4, 2022, 11:51 AM

Wow, should we send a lot of NCAA trophy polish over to their ADs or would that be too much trolling. Seriously, the last time they won it all, Shyatt was the coach. At this point, they might nolonger have any players that have ever seen a B10 team win it all...

RPI is flawed, it often over-rewards weak teams for losing "not as bad" as well as overrewards other teams for blowout.

The ACC bottom/lower mid has been weaker (mostly because we have been mid-table) but when it comes down to putting the best talent and team down for the end of the season, there is a reason why the ACC advances and the B10 seems to peater out.

Since the last B10 champ, Duke, UNC, Maryland (as ACC), and Virginia have won it all. Eight top zero.

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You don’t evaluate the overall strength of a conference by its best team. You know it full well. The difficulty (or lack thereof) in achieving a certain record within a conference is how difficult it is from top to bottom. The RPI is the best readily available metric for that. You can quickly and easily find the information as I did. If you don’t like it substitute a competing metric that evaluates conferences in their totality. NET rankings are not available before a few years ago and are still less reliable at picking both who will make the field and who will win individual games than the RPI. But don’t just dismiss it out of hand without offering anything more than your opinion and act like you’re holding some high ground here.

And for your edification - score does not play any role in the RPI so your contention that it rewards blowouts or losing “not as bad” shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the RPI system.

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Apr 4, 2022, 12:32 PM

20-21 best team since 1990??? ROTFLMAO...That wasn't even BB's best team at Clemson. 2017-18 was his best team and 2010-11 was his 2nd best.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:24 PM

Not the furthest advancing but show me another Clemson team that had 8 wins over tourney teams - with 2/3 the schedule. Only Rick Barnes's 96 team can match that and this time around we did it mostly with OOC wins. Barnes knocked off Kentucky, Coots, Charleston So. BB did it against. Alabama, Purdue, Maryland, Morehead.

First, it was 4th most wins in conference and we basically nearly only played the upper 1/2 of the conference. We had a compacted schedule and beaten up on the lower half the the ACC like VaTech did or a normal schedule we would have likely been looking at a 25+ win season.

Again, the *best* team might not be the one that advances the furthest. Bennett's 1 seed loss UVA *might* have been his actual best team, at least the most dominant, but that is just basketball. 20-21 was likely his best team overall.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:31 PM

No doubt our OOC wins last year was the best I've seen. I'm judging strictly with what I've watched over the course of entire seasons. Let's say last year was the best team since 90 (I disagree but playing along). It would only prove that BB is not a good coach to go one and done in the ACC tourney then turn around and do it again the next week in the NCAA tourney.

I've said this on the board that I was a Brownell supporter until those two games. He lost me after those games against Miami and Rutgers. He didn't do a single thing this season to make me think different.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:43 PM

I say that since 1990, it is between 1996 and 20/21 for the *best* team. I think 96/97 had too much build up on the Kentucky win. We definately faltered more that season down the stretch. Still, that Barnes team was 9-7 in ACC, 20/21 was 10-6. Barnes did not play a power school in the NCAA either until Minnesota. Miami of Ohio and Tulsa. We ended the 97 ACC slate 2-5.

Miami was a team that played us close. The regular season games were like that too and Jim L is a good tourney coach. Rutgers was a deflected panic jump pass away from likely having a good win.


This season stunk. Injuries did help but even then we were bad off (I don't think Brad is a time-off coach) but I give credit to the kids for fighting on as it could have been worse.

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need to add the year he beat UNC in Chapelhill.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:57 AM

definitely earned some sort of bonus for that.

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Sum it in less words:

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:29 PM

greatest job in America bar none. Obscene amount of pay and raises over a long period, no seeming offramp based on job performance.

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Clemson with Brown-L is like the frog in the pot of water.

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Apr 4, 2022, 1:31 PM

The frog will not know to jump out of the pot of water to avoid being boiled alive, as long as the temperature is raised gradually.

Clemson is allowing the basketball program to die gradually by degrees, just as the frog dies. It hurts a little every year, but we have become tolerant to the hurt, to the point of complete inertia. Thus, Brown-L keeps his job, no matter what.

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Apr 4, 2022, 3:24 PM

Yep, go look at these metric ratings lately for last number of years:

https://twitter.com/bradsketbawl/status/1502106597308481559?s=20&t=Cjmtt7if_sQhLDT4uk0N-Q

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UN-freaking believable! Viztiz stating facts,

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:12 PM

but for some crazy reason these guys are willing to carry CBB water after D-Rad put it down and left.

Neff has given CBB the ultimatum and will bounce his ### next year if he keeps stinking up the John.

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Apr 4, 2022, 8:43 PM

JK is not gonna like this. He always loved to pull out those KenPom stats when RPI and NET say we’re dead in the water.

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IPTAY does not pay any coaches’ salaries….


Apr 5, 2022, 8:44 AM

Just thought you should understand that.
viztiz

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money is fungible


Apr 5, 2022, 9:07 AM

just thought you should understand that bengaline®

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Pretty sorry reply for not understanding how CUAD and Iptay


Apr 5, 2022, 10:04 AM

Finances work…,

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Re: Pretty sorry reply for not understanding how CUAD and Iptay


Apr 5, 2022, 10:16 AM

I used a little hyperbole to describe the situation. I'm well aware that IPTAY doesn't literally pay coach's salaries. If you don't think that IPTAY donations contribute to the financial solvency of our Athletic Department and therefore influence what we pay our coaches, then that is a pretty sorry understanding of how finances work altogether. I'm sorry if my smarminess is bothering you. It shouldn't, because I'm simply copying your tone.

Is that the only exception you take to my OP?

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If you’re well aware that Iptay doesn’t pay coaches,


Apr 5, 2022, 10:48 AM

You hurt your OP argument by later stating that it does.
I’m no Brownell fan either, but get your facts straight when making solid posts…

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Apr 5, 2022, 11:09 AM

Gotcha. I was just taking dramatic license. IPTAY annually raises funds equal to approximately 60% of the entire athletic department budget. I absolutely do believe that makes us stakeholders in how the department chooses to spend money, even if it isn't a specific IPTAY line item. I'll try and clarify that better next time.

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Sad but true.***

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So Brad Brownell loses transfers who were starters...

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Apr 5, 2022, 2:23 PM

Maybe he should think about not throwing his players under the bus before they transfer...

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Apr 5, 2022, 2:53 PM

Well done. I got one for you: Hubert Davis made $1.8m this year . . . So an elite, historic program paid 30% less in hc salary and went to the finals.

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