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He also said couples need to have lots of babies.
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:01 AM
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I love it when a sub 30 year old is trying to tell me as a 50+ year old how to live my life.
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That's bizarre***
Sep 23, 2025, 10:06 AM
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He's literally reading the side effects off the side of the box.***
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Yeah, the box doesn't say it turns women into Democrats.
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:15 AM
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If you're talking about the actual possible side effects of birth control, then it's not very different from the list of possible side effects of most prescription medications.
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depression, anxiety, anger, wild mood swings, suicidal. Sounds like the file of
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:35 AM
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every liberal woman out there protesting whatever the cause of the day is.
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So, two things.
Sep 23, 2025, 5:06 PM
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1. Which birth control pills are likely to cause that collection of side effects?
2. Yes, we get the joke, you and Kirk make caricatures out of people you disagree with. But that says a lot more about you than those people.
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Re: Yeah, the box doesn't say it turns women into Democrats.
Sep 23, 2025, 11:01 PM
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Yes. Have you never listened to all the freaking side effects of medications advertised on tv? That would scare you away from them BUT they are POSSIBLE side effects not guaranteed. You may not have any of them if you take the medication. The ones Kirk is mentioning are POSSIBLE side effects. His views are extreme. 😳
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Re: MAGA turns males into incels
Sep 23, 2025, 5:43 PM
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Speaking of incels and incel culture, I did not know what that is/was until last night when reading a review for Adolescence (Netflix) and trying to figure out if I wanted to give the show a shot.
Incel culture was mentioned in the review and as a result, I am now able to feel justified in giving you a +1
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Kirk was an extremist in his views....
Sep 23, 2025, 10:14 AM
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And most of his appeal was to young men, which he brought into the fold often with attacks on women.
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I agree that he shouldn't have been killed.....
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:52 AM
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It goes without saying really that he shouldn't have been killed.
We have too much political violence in this country, and both sides have been targets.
Having said that, Charlie wasn't a saint. Some of his views were reprehensible.
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Paw Master [16909]
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My point is that you watch these debates like I posted and
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:55 AM
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it's just dialogue. He and the DEI guy at the end are dapping it up.
If you are pro-life, you could argue that people who are cool with destroying a fetus are "reprehensible."
But maybe that's not how we should view others who have different views than our own.
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Re: My point is that you watch these debates like I posted and
Sep 23, 2025, 11:23 AM
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The fetus is in someone else’s body. That’s what you don’t get.
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Re: My point is that you watch these debates like I posted and
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Sep 23, 2025, 11:28 AM
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Say what?
I wasn't talking about my views. I just used one example of potentially someone else's pov to make a broader point.
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Re: My point is that you watch these debates like I posted and
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Meant they not you as in those who think it’s reprehensible.
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110%er [3796]
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And my point is that some of his views were reprehensible....
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Sep 23, 2025, 12:54 PM
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Just because he's polite or willing to be a nice guy and willing to hear other voices does not mean that we can't criticize his actual views for what they were.
Right-wing MAGA-world is full of shock jocks who are trying to generate clicks by saying provocative and outrageous things.
If someone wants to argue about tax & spending policy, or about military readiness, or energy sources, or FED monetary policy....I think we can have those types of discussions, and neither party has a monopoly on the truth.
But when we veer into "Jews & the Great Replacement Theory" and "Birth Control makes women crazy/bitter and drives them to the Dems", people like Kirk reveal themselves to be kooks.
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Re: My point is that you watch these debates like I posted and
Sep 23, 2025, 11:06 PM
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I’ve seen multiple people talking about how courteous and fair he was when debating college students. That is NOT where he was spewing the offensive rhetoric. It was on shows and podcasts etc that I saw him on. His views were extreme and I can see why minorities were offended.
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I've watched a lot of Kirk's debates this past weekend...
Sep 23, 2025, 10:16 AM
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While I don't agree with everything, it's wild to me that someone shot that guy. He was just so normal/respectful in some tough, heavy arguments/debates on college campuses. Just wild to me.
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What I find odd
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:22 AM
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Is that, well, he's kind of right in a round about way.
Not necessarily that birth control "turns" women into Democrats, but the freedoms afforded by women controlling their own choices about having children and when, does tend to bolster women having better career opportunities (historically) and more meaningful educational opportunities.
Both tend to lead to people who Charlie would have call more "liberal" or lumped into the bucket as Democrats.
But if your plan to combat that is to demonize one of the tools that helped women achieve that freedom, then I think maybe you are showing your hand a bit.
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I'd argue birth control and abortion are both
Sep 23, 2025, 10:35 AM
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conservative principles. Conservative in the sense of reducing the influence of gov't. Imagine if 75 million aborted unwanted pregnancies were actually born. Those mothers would've been burdened by raising kids they didn't want and potentially not in the workforce, not finishing degrees, etc.
Then the burden that 75 million unwanted kids would have on society. Overwhelming majority would be living off of our tax dollars and supported through the system.
Massive economic burden on our society was taken care of by these millions of abortions as nearly all of these are from low socioeconomic situations.
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Certainly can see that argument
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:37 AM
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I think both things have benefits to principles that tend to be considered "left" or "right".
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That's the common sense view of abortion and birth control, regardless of
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party or politics. That is decidedly NOT how most Republicans view those two topics though.
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Correct. Conservatives and republicans are certainly not the same.
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Sep 23, 2025, 11:31 AM
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The abortion issue is just one glaring contradiction.
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
Sep 23, 2025, 10:24 AM
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The link between the pills and depression is well known. Women are democrats. Women wear hair clamps more than men (a diminishing difference). Women are democrats. Women makeup more than men (a dimi ...). Women are democrats. Women play on women's sports teams (a ... never mind). Women are, you know.
Anyway, you have to admit, there's a lot of extra estrogen floating around out there nowadays. But I dont know, you tell me. Why are women democrats?
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They are intelligent and educated***
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
Sep 23, 2025, 10:28 AM
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he left out his opinion because he is trolling and not looking for civil political discussion
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
Sep 23, 2025, 10:53 AM
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>> Why are women democrats?
Probably because they see the Democratic Party as being more aligned with their values & being supportive to issues that impact women...
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
Sep 23, 2025, 11:09 AM
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That's why anyone votes however they vote.
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Well, there you go...
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Sep 24, 2025, 9:01 AM
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Democrats have problems attracting men to their side, where men don't think Democrats share their values.
Republicans have issues attracting women to their side, where women don't think Republicans share their values. I don't think it will help MAGA with women by talking about birth control making them bitter & crazier, etc etc, thereby making them democrats. It's insulting to women, tbh.
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Another opinion on Kirk. Maybe a little harsh but legit question.
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Sep 23, 2025, 10:35 AM
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“Charlie Kirk was a divisive far-right podcaster. Why is he being rebranded as a national hero? “
https://apple.news/ABXZEVvhpSXepAfTVJ5sF1w
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Re: Another opinion on Kirk. Maybe a little harsh but legit question.
Sep 23, 2025, 10:37 AM
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had you ever heard of him before he was murdered?
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Yes***
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Re: At 15 minutes, he talks about DEI hires.
Sep 23, 2025, 11:15 PM
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Have you seen or heard him on podcasts or shows? That’s where he dropped his weird views and insults, not at the debates with students so much.
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Re: Another opinion on Kirk. Maybe a little harsh but legit question.
Sep 23, 2025, 10:51 AM
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Maybe a little. It was the kind of misplaced hatred that can motivate people to, I dont know, shoot somebody. Maybe she's upset that she has to explain the difference between memorials and looting.
You will notice that the writer never answered her own question. Didnt intend to. She had other purposes. If I was a democrat and wanted to stop the recent political slide, I would want to know the answer to that question. The writer's attitude creates a comfortable place from which people can refuse to consider it by affirming their own righteousness while calling everyone else racist. If I had an election to win, I'd figure out why that approach is losing.
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Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
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Ha. Agree.
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
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The continual bashing of this man after he was killed while giving a political speech is just one more sign of how sick a portion of our society has become.
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
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When they tell us all who they really are we should believe them. Keep arguing with the ghouls if you want.
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
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And equally sickening are people trying to use this man's murder for political purposes.
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
Sep 23, 2025, 11:17 PM
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And the definitely are. His memorial service was a political rally 😏
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I think it's just run its course
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He wasn't a saint. He wasn't a demon. He was senselessly murdered for his views. That should never have happened. Let's let him RIP and stop trying to argue about what he was. Time to move on.
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Re: I think it's just run its course
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He was just a guy. Right about some things, wrong about some things, wanted to talk about it, wanted to convince. Anything beyond that is what we create, not him.
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Wait, discussing his comments and ideas
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Sep 23, 2025, 12:09 PM
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Debating them and criticizing them (or supporting them) is, it would seem, the best way to honor someone who considered themself a champion of discourse.
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Re: Wait, discussing his comments and ideas
Sep 23, 2025, 12:10 PM
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Please - that's not what has been going on.
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Some is, some is different.
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Sep 23, 2025, 12:20 PM
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The ideas, talked about in this thread "birth control makes women democrats" seems to be worthy of debate or discussion.
Of course some folks are gonna vilify him, and that's misguided at best.
But en equal number of people are gonna beatify him, and that's also misguided.
He had ideas and defended them. I disagreed with many of them and am open to discuss them.
It's still a effing shame and horrid that he was killed.
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Right. There's no reason to make him a saint or a nazi....
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He was a guy that, IMO, practiced politics the right way, by going on campuses to talk to people. I don't have an issue with that. But the substance of what he believed should be challenged, and criticized when he makes arguments that were obviously ridiculous. That is a tribute, in a sense, to how he himself would've practiced politics, I think.
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Don't see any problem with debating the ideas
Sep 23, 2025, 12:11 PM
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Just seems it turns into putting the guy on trial a lot. He was young, naive, civil, and opinionated. He was mostly unknown. He shouldn't have been killed. But I'm all for delving into the ideology.
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Oh, I agree about that
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I can't remember who it was, but a debater on the left wrote an interesting memorial for Charlie after his murder. iN it he bemoaned that among other things Charlie didn't have a chance to grow, learn, and change. That was stolen from him, and that, among ohter things related to his murder, is sad.
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Mostly unknown? Really? He was knocking on the door, if not surpassing all of
Sep 23, 2025, 2:31 PM
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the mainstream news agencies combined in regards to viewers/listeners, and that's just him personally. Not to mention other programs he had a hand in.
I know this board is comprised mostly of people 50+, but it's shocking how out of touch most posters are. To say Charlie Kirk was mostly an unknown is just wow...Really illustrates the generational divide.
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Be logical for once and not the usual ball of emotion
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Lawd knows not a single Trumpkin has handled any of this Charlie Kirk stuff like a calm adult.
When these kind of comments or topics come up, go look them up. Read. Research. Ask questions. Just because you worshipped him doesn't mean all of America did.
https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/survey-results/daily/2025/09/12/94a46/3
He was surpassing mainstream news agencies COMBINED in viewers and listeners? Really?
He had 3.8 million subscribers before his death to his podcast.
NY Times: 11.88 million and growing
CNN: 147 million globally
Fox: 2-3 million primetime and millions more weekly
ABC News: 7.37 million
NBC News: 5.79 million
WSJ: 4.13 million subscribers
And keep in mind for some of those agencies, the subscriptions are paid. I'm assuming his podcast was free depending on the listening platform?
Also, if I look up those news network YouTube channels by subscribers, the numbers get even more lopsided.
Maybe you should try to be more in touch with subscription totals?
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Last figures I saw had him well over 10million people across multiple platforms
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pre-assassination....That is close to, if not more than primetime cable combined, yes. They had to turn away like 1/4 million people from his funeral due to capacity constraints....
The fact that you didn't know about him doesn't mean he was unknown, it's just that you're part of the dying cable news media following and don't realize the growing following a lot of people like Kirk had.
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Do you know who Magnus Carlsen is?
Sep 23, 2025, 8:28 PM
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It's okay if you don't; I don't imagine many here would unless they're avid chess players like I am. He's probably the best chess player in the world. He's from Norway. He, too, has a massive following of dorks like me, mainly to watch his games and strategies. If he also suffered a heinous murder, I imagine he'd gain more followers and more attention.
But in the end, he's a niche celebrity. All of us chess aficionados could tell you who he is and say he's well known, but you'd scoff at that if you didn't also play.
Kirk was a niche political attraction at the end of the day. He is well known NOW because of the horrible assassination. But most Americans had no idea who he was, and even fewer in the world.
When it comes to top YouTube subscribers, he didn't even sniff the top 100, even posthumously. Mr. Beast is the grand champion with over 400 million subscribers--and even then many people would be like, "Who?"
Taylor Swift is well known. Patrick Mahomes is well known. Donald Trump is well known. Charlie Kirk was not--at least, not until now.
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Lakebum I’m over 50 and I’m a woman. I keep up with a lot of what younger people do and watch because I have a millennial daughter and I’m a fun mom 😆. I had never heard of Charlie Kirk for several reasons. I’m not a red hat and I don’t care for Christian nationalism. He’s someone I would have never listened to because anyone who’s still saying the 2020 election was stolen is in da cult.
I do think his beliefs were extreme therefore he would appeal to a niche group of people. Probably mostly younger people and Christian nationalists.
What I am surprised about is many college students being conservative enough to get interested in him. His religious beliefs regarding sex and alcohol don’t align so well with lots of the college students I was around at Clemson in the 80’s and even less so when my daughter was a student at Clemson. They may be more attracted to the white nationalism and Jesus talk. Or maybe because he was a younger guy so they could identify with him.
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Re: Mostly unknown? Really? He was knocking on the door, if not surpassing all of
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Yes, he seemed to be pretty popular amongst young Conservative Christians. Not everyone holds the same beliefs as you or your daughter, so there may be popular people on this planet that you don't know that exist outside of your belief system circle.
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She makes the point, though.
Sep 24, 2025, 8:10 AM
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He was a niche celebrity. YES, he was popular amongst a group. But most Americans had no idea who he was or knew very little about him or his ideas.
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Re: She makes the point, though.
Sep 24, 2025, 8:31 AM
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Well, there seems to be a lot of experts about his life even on this board.
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Re: She makes the point, though.
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Sep 24, 2025, 8:34 AM
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Yeah, I guess so. I'm no expert on his life; I didn't know a whole lot about the guy before his death. All I'm looking at are numbers and data to counter these claims that he was as big as he was.
But again, it's really a silly moot point. I don't know why we can't just let the guy RIP. I feel the focus should instead be on preventing something like that from happening again; he didn't do anything to deserve what happened.
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Re: She makes the point, though.
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Sep 24, 2025, 8:48 AM
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I fully agree. I think Cuintulsa said it right when he said he's just a man. I probably had listened to one or two of his shows prior to his assassination. I've listened to a few more since. Not really my thing, and I would say he is a little backwards on some topics IMO. I certainly haven't heard anything that would make me think he was some sort of monster or great human thinker. The main tragedy (outside of his family having to live with this) was that he was killed for his thoughts and words, that from what I have heard were presented in a highly respectful manner.
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Re: Do we think it's maybe time to let this guy RIP?***
Sep 23, 2025, 3:59 PM
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Are you kidding?
Now that the emotional dust has settled we can now actually learn about who this guy was and what he actually stood for since he’s been labeled a saint and a martyr.
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how dare you question the Gospel according to Saint Kirk!!***
Sep 23, 2025, 11:02 AM
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Re: how dare you question the Gospel according to Saint Kirk!!***
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Sep 23, 2025, 11:05 AM
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Irony. Nobody is going to, you know, shoot her.
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Re: how dare you question the Gospel according to Saint Kirk!!***
Sep 23, 2025, 3:10 PM
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Is he meaning Erika Kirk with that comment?
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
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Sep 23, 2025, 2:56 PM
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The hatred of the left always on display.
Don't you have a riot to occupy your time.
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Re: Birth control turns women into democrats
Sep 23, 2025, 4:16 PM
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You don’t want people hearing what he had to say?
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