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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101298]
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Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:45 PM
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or at least on alert in 2023.
Saying, produce or...
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Orange Phenom [14602]
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They gone***
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:49 PM
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Legend [6660]
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Spillers unit was the only one worth a ####
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:50 PM
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Why should he worry?
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Ultimate Tiger [33402]
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Recruiting?
Jan 12, 2023, 10:58 PM
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. now many running backs didn’t want to play in Streator saw fence… But we have not landed a major running back in the last two cycles.
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Paw Warrior [4621]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:52 PM
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Nah, CJ is fine. Running backs is the lone consistently bright spot on the offense.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:53 PM
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CJ's backs were the only productive thing we had this year.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:07 PM
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Yes they were productive. Can’t argue that. But which top back is he bringing in to replace them when they’re gone? He has missed on a good many of our rb targets. The guys that we ended up picking up in their stead may turn out to be great, who knows. But in reality they were fallback guys and not our main targets. I think he could use a little help in the recruiting aspect. But totally agree on running backs being our strong suit and he deserves credit there.
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Paw Warrior [4621]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:25 PM
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CJ recruits areas, not specifically running backs. HTH.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:31 PM
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Every position coach is involved with the prospects they would be coaching. Hth
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
Jan 12, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Bingo
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
Jan 13, 2023, 5:03 AM
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Etienne was one of those "fallback" guys. I think that turned out okay for everyone involved.
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Legend [6607]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:53 PM
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I don’t know if Riley will retain any of the existing staff. We will hopefully know more very soon.
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1st Rounder [665]
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I love CJ Spiller and all, but I hope Riley brings TCU's RB
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:03 PM
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coach with him. His resume speaks for itself. 5 RB's drafted in 6 years under him. Look him up.
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Clemson Icon [24080]
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COordinators DON'T hire the staff
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:10 PM
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THE HEAD COACH does.
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Orange Blooded [2368]
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Re: COordinators DON'T hire the staff
Jan 12, 2023, 11:04 PM
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But the OC has a large amount of input. I doubt Riley comes without the assurance that he can make any staff changes that he deems necessary.
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Valley Protector [1429]
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I doubt that
Jan 13, 2023, 1:10 AM
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But I want to be wrong.
I want him to be able to coach with Spiller, Richardson, Austin and Grisham and be able to tell Dabo that he needs better. But it would be even better if he made them better. That would tell us that we got a jewel.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Can't imagine he would accept an OC position but be forced to keep all of the position coaches that got his predecessor fired. Doesn't mean we will necessarily see him clean house but I'd expect some changes.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [101298]
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CJ's RB's were an A grade but recruiting new ones a D~
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:02 PM
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What say you?
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All-Pro [752]
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Re: CJ's RB's were an A grade but recruiting new ones a D~
Jan 12, 2023, 10:14 PM
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Bill, I posted the same thing on this thread before reading your post. Definitely agree ??
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Re: CJ's RB's were an A grade but recruiting new ones a D~
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:22 PM
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As I've said elsewhere, go through the past 15 years and look who was the main recruiter of each big running back we had.
CJ Spiller - Dabo (Wide receivers)
Jamie Harper - Dabo (wide receivers)
Andre Ellington - David Blackwell (linebackers)
Mike Bellamy - Brad Scott (offensive line)
Wayne Gallman - Chad Morris (Offensive Coordinator)
Travis Etienne - Tony Elliott (running backs)
Tavien Feaster - Jeff Scott (offensive coordinator)
Kobe Pace - Danny Pearman (Special Teams)
Will Shipley - Danny Pearman (Special Teams)
Phil Mafah - Unlisted
So of our backs during the Dabo era, only one was recruited by the running backs coach, ETN. People don't realize that we don't use our position coaches, on the whole, as much as other teams do for recruiting. It's a team effort. The failure to sign a star running back can't fall on CJ. He's asked mainly to do one job, develop backs. He's done a good job at that.
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Re: CJ's RB's were an A grade but recruiting new ones a D~
Jan 12, 2023, 10:24 PM
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Sorry, forgot Bowman. While he was one of our biggest recruiting disappointments, he was crazy in demand. Both OC's recruited him personally.
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Re: CJ's RB's were an A grade but recruiting new ones a D~
Jan 12, 2023, 10:32 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:26 PM
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I can’t imaging Dabo allowing a coordinator to choose he staff as that is the job of the HC
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Solid Orange [1392]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:05 PM
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I don't see any way Grisham keeps his job with a new OC. He has been horrible, and unlike some other position coaches, it falls entirely on him. CJ, I don't think he'll be asked to go. Clemson doesn't recruit super heavily by the position guys, so the not landing elite backs isn't really on him as much as it was Elliott and Streeter (and Dabo). I think CJ has been pretty good (not excellent, but pretty good) at developing backs, which is his main job. Shipley is a very good football player, even if he's basically a worse ETN. Mafah is an absolute monster and with an elite line, we'd be saying he could be the best pure back Clemson ever had. Pace developed a lot while he was there. I don't actually know who our 4 guy was this year because we never played our backups.
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Paw Warrior [4812]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
Jan 13, 2023, 3:38 AM
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A worse ETN....what a terrible comp. Shipley is the best and most consistent guy on the offense the last 2 years.
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And Wes may be treading water too.
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Jan 12, 2023, 10:11 PM
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The offense, as bad as it was, actually got better (not great, but better in terms of rankings).
The defense got worse, even though we were loaded on D.
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Game Changer [1985]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
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Jan 12, 2023, 11:12 PM
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Wow some people live to complain. So many pathetic Clemson”fans”
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Team Captain [472]
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Spiller’s doing just fine. The RBs have been
Jan 13, 2023, 2:39 AM
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the highlight in an otherwise dismal situation. Grisham, on the other hand, is probably worried - and probably right to be.
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
Jan 13, 2023, 2:57 AM
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Grisham for sure
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Game Changer [1689]
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Re: Bet Grisham & cJ may be treading water..
Jan 13, 2023, 6:40 AM
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Running backs were great. Not CJs fault that guys don’t want to come in behind Shipley
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