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Why do trumpsters use the term liberal in such a derogatory way
Apr 30, 2019, 1:11 PM
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By definition in a political context it means favoring maximum individual liberty in political and social reform. It’s synonymous with words like progressive, advanced, and modern.
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Huge difference in liberal now as to what it once was.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:22 PM
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Classical liberal you'd be right on. Progressive liberal is completely different. Most that people would call "moderate" or "moderate conservative" could fall under the "classical liberal"..
In today's team politics though there are only two teams in the minds of most. Left vs. Right, Blue vs Red etc...
When most of America falls into neither completely on every issue.
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Conservative = fascist/racist and Liberal = Communist
Apr 30, 2019, 1:38 PM
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By today's standards, JFK wasn't a liberal, but a moderate. Maybe even a moderate conservative. Everything is skewed left in the US now. You have the likes of Nancy Pelosi pulling her party back from going over the left cliff (see AOC et. al). 30 years ago she was the furthest left-wing nutjob in Congress.
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Re: Why do trumpsters use the term liberal in such a derogatory way
Apr 30, 2019, 1:24 PM
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They have been brainwashed by Fox and other conservative media.
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And they would say that you'be been brainwashed
Apr 30, 2019, 1:25 PM
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by MSNBC, CNN, and other liberal media.
See how it works?
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I wouldn't say that.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:55 PM
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I'm not an idiot no matter what lungers think about me. I'd say libs watch CNN, MSNBC and read the NYT and WAPO because they want to hear what makes them happy instead of the truth.
Now someone come along and say the same thing about me but I post more links to USA today, CNN and NYT than Fox. I search out a thread of truth in a story and follow it through other sources who play it down or ignore it. A reasonable man considers more than one or two places to form his opinion.
It turns out how it turns out.
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Re: I wouldn't say that.
Apr 30, 2019, 2:23 PM
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I hear a lot of conservatives make this statement....that liberals don't like the "truth"?
What is the truth exactly?
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Re: And they would say that you'be been brainwashed
Apr 30, 2019, 1:59 PM
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Fox is more extreme, and they couldn't say that about me, because I don't think conservative is a bad word. They can say that about others maybe. Moreover, CNN has a bias, but they don't outright trash talk conservatives using the word conservative in a derogatory fashion. They are just biased. Fox and many other conservative sources just outright have turned the word liberal into a bad word. They use the word liberal in a derogatory fashion whenever possible...which is every day for hours. There is a difference.
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Really, though...who can blame FOX when it works?
Apr 30, 2019, 8:09 PM
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My dad is one of the most thoughtful, introspective and go-against-the-grain people I've ever met. He is, by nature, a contrarian who you would think would never give way to any sort of group think.
FOX News has him by the #######, as it does many other otherwise smart people. It's weird AF, and one reason I'm glad I don't have cable. I can't imagine getting sucked into that retarded nonsense enough that it compromised by ability to think.
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Re: Really, though...who can blame FOX when it works?
Apr 30, 2019, 10:16 PM
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Sums it up well.
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I can't believe Fox said there was no collusion.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:49 PM
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That's outrageous when every outspoken democrat in the land knew that Trump fixed the election. I mean, why not? He's white, male, rich and talks like he's in a dive bar when he's in front of a mic.
He has to be guilty and Fox has its audience believing Trump is innocent of collusion. Why in the world has the government not shut those lying people up. What Fox did has to be illegal, right?
Investigate FOX!
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Re: I can't believe Fox said there was no collusion.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:54 PM
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I think you posted on the wrong thread.
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That was a response to Fox and brainwashing.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:58 PM
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You're smarter than to say that. You know good and well everyone likes to read reflections of their personal opinion. No news outlet brain washes anyone. There's way too many dissenting opinions in America for any new source to brainwash.
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Re: That was a response to Fox and brainwashing.
Apr 30, 2019, 2:04 PM
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No..people are brainwashed. Its a business and they tune to hear what they want. The media sources feed into their target markets and feed a bunch of fire breathing nonsense to boost ratings and make money. In the end the consumer is brainwashed. They think they are hearing the straight scoop, but it is mainly spin to create ratings and to make the customers/advertisers happy with ratings and viewership.
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Those who only want to hear what pleases them are children.
Apr 30, 2019, 7:21 PM
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It's not brainwashing it's adolescence. Free this not that, give me what I want, not what's best for me. this POTUS is good, that one's bad...quoted from adolescent mind.
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and conservative is suck a boring word
Apr 30, 2019, 1:29 PM
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it basically means that you are boring, have no ideas, and that you don't put out. I am not sure why anyone would want to be that.
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"maximum individual liberty"? LOL
Apr 30, 2019, 1:30 PM
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They want to control every aspect of your life, from healthcare to owning a gun to covering all services you need by taking more of your money in taxes.
Oh, and if you should respectively disagree you're a racist, sexist, mysoginyst, fascist and/or want to throw grandma off the cliff.
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Re: "maximum individual liberty"? LOL
Apr 30, 2019, 2:26 PM
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From where I sit most of them just want everyone to be treated equally and to have a fair shot in life....not just the white, heterosexual christians.
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Well there it is in a nutshell.
Apr 30, 2019, 3:07 PM
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Anyone not identifying as liberal is a racist, misogynistic, gay hating white person.
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Re: Well there it is in a nutshell.
Apr 30, 2019, 4:43 PM
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If the shoe fits.....
For some reason conservatives are bothered when someone stands up for minorities.
Take the Kaepernick thing for example. Guy consults a US Marine on the best way to protest and still respect the military, but you’d think he took a #### on the flag the way conservatives act about it.
But then Trump directly disrespects a veteran and former POW by calling him weak and says he’s not a hero and you don’t hear a thing....
If it wasn’t so sad it would be comical.
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Re: Well there it is in a nutshell.
Apr 30, 2019, 4:51 PM
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You have to admit that Colin Kaepernick did get pretty uppity. Made them angry.
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Cause libbie = fascist***
Apr 30, 2019, 1:34 PM
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I used it in a derogatory way when Bill Clinton was Pres.
Apr 30, 2019, 1:34 PM
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As a term it's nothing new. It's as old as politics. You can frame just about anyone as a liberal or a conservative going back thousands of years. Once they were progressives in the US. Once the term was democratic. Once the term was Jacobin in France. Once the term was Communist. US progressives favored such expansions of liberties such as prohibition, and such wonderful things as euthanasia and the wonderful idea of eugenics.
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Why would you call Trump that?
Apr 30, 2019, 3:47 PM
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Why would you be derogatory towards him? Because he was a Clinton supporter and a Dem back then.
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Do I do that?***
Apr 30, 2019, 1:37 PM
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"maximum individual liberty" - Is that the same as saying
Apr 30, 2019, 2:44 PM
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"We get FREE Stuffies"?
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Political entertainment media requires conflict
Apr 30, 2019, 3:27 PM
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to sell advertising. Good vs evil, red vs blue, dem vs pub, etc...It's bad enough that regular everyday people consume that shid and take it as truth, but it's infected a majority of our elected officials with Trump being representative of the worst of those. Lie, cheat, steal all for your cause/team; human decency has taken a backseat in the governing of our country.
If you are a "Ha ha liberals/pubs are so stoopid!" kinda person...you are the problem and you are electing greater problems.
If you've ever played football, or any competitive sport for that matter...after bashing heads and getting beat up for 60 minutes did you go talk shid to your opponent after the game? 99% of the time, no. If you're a real competitor, you shake the guys hand afterwards and tell him good game. Here's the kicker, politics isn't even a competition...we're all on the same team.
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They don't really understand the definitions, that's why
Apr 30, 2019, 3:44 PM
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Trumpies simply parrot what their Orange Savior, Fox, Breitbart, etc. have told them about libruhls and "libtards" because they can't really take time to read up on real definitions or understand political ideology. To them, anyone--and I mean anyone--who opposed them is a "liberal" because they're too dumb to grasp higher thinking. Infowars and Breitbart tell them that the opposition to Trump is extreme left, so they just believe it. There really is great science behind how people like this will parrot higher authority out of fear or hate regardless of what's true.
What they fail to realize is the following:
1. Trump has been a New York Democrat most of his life. In fact, he was officially registered as one from 2001 to 2009. He told Wolf Blitzer in a 2004 interview that he identified most with Democrats, citing, "It just seems that the economy does better under the Democrats than the Republicans." Do most men in their 60s have a complete political ideological shift? No. They don't.
2. Trump is pro choice. He always has been. He still is. He stated it publicly multiple times. Do people change their abortion stances? Of course. But it doesn't come easily. Usually personal experiences create a shift, not a sudden political ideological shift. Generally, having children can swing a pro-choice person to pro-life. But Trump already had kids when he was pro-choice. His abortion stance conveniently changed right before he ran for president.
3. There is little evidence he is religious. This also became a thing right before he ran for office.
4. Trump's economic policies clearly oppose traditional conservative philosophy, and they are policies that the GOP previously would have balked at. Well, many in the GOP still have.
5. Traditional, staunch conservatives have opposed Trump. This is evidence enough that opposition to him has nothing to do with being liberal.
6. Trump is a master showman and deceiver. He ran a fake reality show and used to appear on pro wrestling. He knows how to lie to and manipulate an audience, generally a collectively dumb one (yeah, pro wrestling fans, that's you if you're still watching past age 13), to get them to cheer him on.
7. He was close friends with the Clintons before the election. After the election, he magically abandoned his threats to pursue criminal action against Hillary Clinton. Convenient.
8. Trump embraces big, centralized, authoritarian government. He has actively worked (usually unsuccessfully) to override the nation's system of checks and balances.
9. Trump's economic plans call for increased spending. Very conservative.
10. Oh, did I forget that over his life, he's pumped money into Democratic campaigns?
Ask yourself when was the last time you encountered a man in his 60s and 70s who had a complete political ideological shift from one end of the spectrum to the other. Not likely, huh? Unless maybe some type of brain injury.
Trump's transition from liberal to supposed conservative is so outrageous, it almost gives credence to the conspiracy theory that he really is a Dem plant to destroy the GOP from the inside. And with the way it's going, he sure seems to be doing that. I think that conspiracy is a bit much, but lawd knows I'm always down for some good tinfoil headgear.
So why do hardline Trumpies embrace him and think he's a conservative? Simple. I've said many times before, many who voted for Trump simply held their nose and voted against Hillary. That makes sense. You can't fault them. Many of them cited some other economic differences between him and Hilldog. Fair enough.
The hardline Trumpies are the ones who supported him before the primary. And there was only one thing Trump was selling that the other GOP guys weren't: hate and fear towards immigrants. That's it. And in their mind, that equaled conservative.
So what we have is a man who has been a charlatan leftist used to fooling the dumb masses on TV, and now he found a way to do it to get into the White House (assuming he even wanted to be there). Only a fool would actually buy that and think him a true conservative.
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Hyperbole much?***
Apr 30, 2019, 5:03 PM
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Bet ya can't refute a single one of those.***
Apr 30, 2019, 7:00 PM
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It's rhetoric which delights you and some other dems
Apr 30, 2019, 7:15 PM
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because it makes you feel superior. You bought into the collusion conspiracy for nearly two years. That alone proves you don't have the insight God gave a duck. You were lead into a delusion by your news sources and you're throwing off on those who didn't blindly follow you?
Please!
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Re: It's rhetoric which delights you and some other dems
Apr 30, 2019, 10:44 PM
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Speaking of blindly following, how does it feel to be duped by a New York pro-choice atheist Democrat who has convinced you that he's a conservative Christian, just the same way he tricked all the fools on pro wrestling shows?
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I don't use religion anymore than color or gender to...
May 1, 2019, 4:23 PM
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evaluate a person. It's short sighted and narrow minded to think that anyone in public office is Christian. Jimmy was the last person who held the office that I believed was a Christian. I still believe he is but he destroyed my financial life and broke me of repeating that mistake.
Imo, they are all heathen but I can pick the one I agree with on the most issues. Being conservative or abortion are neither worthy of making a man narrow minded.
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Lol! That is awesome! “Hey, why do you guys have a problem with the Swastika!?!”
May 1, 2019, 2:22 PM
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“It’s just a symbol of divinity and spirituality in Indian culture!”
Hilarious.
Trying to sell the idea that “liberal” equates to “maximum individual liberty” might be the funniest thing I’ve seen on here in months.
And I’m starting to see more of these semantics arguments. “Socialism just means getting free stuff!” You might want to think about why you’re working so hard on rebranding what you’re selling.
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Bernie doesn't seem that "modern" to me.
May 1, 2019, 3:28 PM
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That guy is old as ####
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Re: Bernie doesn't seem that "modern" to me.
May 1, 2019, 3:51 PM
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Maybe his ideas are? I wouldn't know, because I haven't followed him closely.
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