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Baseball scholarships
Mar 25, 2022, 3:48 PM
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Noticed in a few threads of there being discrepancies with recruiting vs other top tier programs. I have not heard that and what is exactly the issue and can it be fixed?
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Baseball only has 11.7 scholarships
Mar 25, 2022, 4:03 PM
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Most major schools that compete and win year in and year out have endowments that make up the gaps where most all players have full rides at Clemson you only get a partial and never a full. D Rad never supported setting up a endowment for the baseball team.
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Here is the long and the short of it as I understand it...
Mar 25, 2022, 4:11 PM
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Some schools have large endowments to help fund tuition for any students that meet the qualifications to receive aide. Baseball programs, as a poorly funded scholarship sport with 11.7 for 35 roster spots, are taking advantage of any money they can find to help recruits get a cheaper entry to school.
Clemson does not have an endowment of this type. Schools that have one have an advantage because they can do anything from cut tuition in half to wiping it out completely for students of their choosing.
Then there is the common market money. This is a totally separate issue that deals with waving out of state tuition for certain students. This is also something for all students and not just student-athletes. The common market money can cut a recruit's owed tuition money in half at most schools with their in-state vs out of state tuition. Many baseball programs in participating states are taking advantage of this as well. Clemson opted out of this program a few years ago for undergraduate students.
So basically, offering a local discount to out-of-staters can increase your chances of getting someone to travel to your location. The bottom line is, highly recruited baseball player will opt to attend other programs that can offer a full ride while all Clemson could offer is a 1/2 scholarship. This puts our coaching staff in a tough spot deciding between trying to have scholarship depth and offer smaller percentages per player or trying to make sure they offer lots of money to get the big players on campus and have to rely on more walk-ons to fill out the roster. Both of these options make the margin for error much smaller for Clemson's coaching during recruiting.
There is nothing Clemson can do about having a billion dollar endowment anytime soon, but opting out of the common market program was a terrible move for low scholarship non-revenue sports.
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so...
Mar 25, 2022, 4:38 PM
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can we reapply for the common market? How soon could we use it?
What is the reason for not using it, since it puts us at such a disadvantage?
Seems there is more to it, and you may not know. I appreciate the 411 on what you are aware of.
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Re: so...
Mar 25, 2022, 4:57 PM
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Dang well I wonder how many teams have this advantage. My expectations for Clemson baseball just dropped learning this information. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: so...
Mar 25, 2022, 4:59 PM
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Some common market information below...
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Academic Common Market (ACM) under the Southern Regional Education Board (SREB)
Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia
Texas, Florida and North Carolina only participate through their graduate programs (that means residents coming from or going to these states will not benefit as undergrads!)
The primary purpose of the Academic Common Market (ACM) is to provide tuition savings (administered by the SREB) in the form of in-state tuition rates at out-of-state public institutions. This reciprocity can be a great option, BUT there are definitely requirements that need be made and you must ensure to meet all qualifications.
For example, the most important factor (in paying in-state tuition while out-of-state) via this route is that the degree the student is looking to obtain must NOT be offered by the student’s in-state institution’s. So more or less this is only able to happen if the student wants to get a particular degree but no other college in their state offers the program for it; thus, it is required that the student attend an out-of-state school for that particular degree. The program also requires the student to remain a resident of their home state.
Each state and institution is able to apply additional acceptance requirements, as well as choose to limit or withdraw participation from the program.
Click here for more information about the Academic Common Market (ACM): http://www.sreb.org/page/1304/academic_common_market.html
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Re: so...
Mar 25, 2022, 5:05 PM
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It was announced 2, maybe 3 years ago now that we were going to get back in it or an alternative. Then the virus and DRad leaving etc I haven't heard anymore of it. While it did help, it wasn't being used much. It's a lot of stipulations to it. It's complex. While we are at a disadvantage, other schools in our league are at the same disadvantages. UVA, I think is the only one, perhaps ND that have the huge endowments.
Still no reason with the group we have to be in this big of a funk. Yeah, weather's bad but it's bad for a 11-10, soon to be 12-10 Pitt team who was getting creamed by Youngstown st. We're making their pitchers look like MLB. Although that kid that pitched in the first game has been good.
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Re: so...
Mar 25, 2022, 5:16 PM
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Exactly Clemgal. Still no excuse for losing badly to teams like Coastal and Pitt.
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Re: Here is the long and the short of it as I understand it...
Mar 25, 2022, 4:55 PM
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This is exactly what is going on. You look at all of these fancy ball parks schools are building and the players are paying for the privilege to play at most schools. Schools like Vandy are always going to be dominate because of "opportunity Vanderbilt" which offsets students tuition costs. And they are a private school so they dont have to give you any information on it.
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so why can't u make the diffrence in NIL $***
Mar 25, 2022, 4:55 PM
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Re: so why can't u make the diffrence in NIL $***
Mar 25, 2022, 5:00 PM
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The schools cannot set up NIL deals with students they have to come from outside sources.
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that can and is being done in other schools***
Mar 26, 2022, 9:18 PM
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Re: that can and is being done in other schools***
Mar 26, 2022, 10:28 PM
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Vandy baseball stadium is eh. But seriously go watch uneven on YouTube
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Re: Baseball scholarships
Mar 26, 2022, 10:59 PM
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Other than Vanderbilt the schools that have this advantage aren’t just bad at baseball, they’re rarely significant at sports in general (note “rarely” so don’t at me with a couple of exceptions). Vanderbilt has had this advantage but wasn’t good until Corbin got there. The coach matters. Save crying about endowments until we get bounced by Vanderbilt. Didn’t stop SCAR from playing for three and winning two championships (and it was every bit the advantage then it is now).
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Re: Baseball scholarships
Mar 26, 2022, 11:52 PM
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Viztiz nailed it. It’s a factor, yes, but it’s not the reason we are down. The scouting report is out on this Clemson club and adjustments need to be made or it could be the last season for Monte.
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