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All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 4, 2016, 11:19 PM
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Hope you are watching the ND Texas game and shutting the #### up
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your pulse stats say you need to shut the #### up***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:21 PM
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^ Wanted Dabo to go for 3.***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:24 PM
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Re: ^ Wanted Dabo to go for 3.
Sep 4, 2016, 11:27 PM
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Always liked Woody Hayes' on why he went for two late w a big lead over michigan and he said because he couldnt go for three
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 4, 2016, 11:23 PM
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Yeah, blocked FGs/PATs are return for points like every game. You're absolutely right.
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
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I read Dabo's lips in that last sideline huddle with the clock ticking down, I am pretty sure he said "the advertisers depend on us to make this an interesting game, now go out and win".
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You sir have no understanding
Sep 4, 2016, 11:23 PM
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of situational football. Extra point kick, should they have went for 2 and risk ND going down to kick FG to win game.
Please admit and know last night Dabo royally screwed the pooch that nearly cost us a win.
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^ Missing the point.***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:25 PM
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^ Troll^***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:30 PM
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Get to fighting or get outta the way...***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:33 PM
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Re: You sir have no understanding
Sep 4, 2016, 11:27 PM
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Our D was the most dominant unit of the night put them on the field and let them win the game. And they did!!!!!
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So miss the FG and same situation OR
Sep 4, 2016, 11:30 PM
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you kick it and end it. What the hell do you not understand ?? Don't support just because you love the Tigers as much as I do, think logically. 9 pt lead, no chance of loss. Give them ball with 40 secs and pray those passes are knocked down. Easy call
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lol, are you serious?***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:31 PM
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I fear he/she is.***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:47 PM
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completely different
Sep 4, 2016, 11:29 PM
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#1. Texas was too busy celebrating and barely got the snap off. They should have called a timeout.
#2. That was an extra point attempt, not a FG.
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You realize a field goal was blocked tonight as well?***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:30 PM
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Let me ask a serious question, do you blame Wayne
Sep 4, 2016, 11:36 PM
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for going out of bounds or do you blame Dabo for not informing his team to STAY IN BOUNDS ??? Poor coaching either way guys, especially IMMEDIATELY after calling a TTIMEOUT to make sure everyone understood the situation.
It was atrociously handled by Dabo. You can all keep thinking what you will, but not having your team prepared in critical situations is just not acceptable as a #2, possible championship caliber team.
I'm wrong about that, explain to me how I'm wrong please ??? You can't.
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Avid supporter of our team, not meaning to
Sep 4, 2016, 11:41 PM
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sound otherwise. Clemson is one of me few loves outside of my family and my faith. Last night was a horrid last minute of football, BUT thankful we won the game.
Go Tigers!!
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Sorry....
Sep 5, 2016, 9:03 AM
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you definitely are sounding otherwise. Go back and read your posts. Not even constructive criticism, just negative about the guy that took us to the NC last year.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Let me ask a serious question, do you blame Wayne
Sep 4, 2016, 11:43 PM
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Give it a rest. For a supposed Clemson fan you are spending an inordinate amount of time bashing a coach who is 3-1 against Auburn (a team we are 14-34-2 against) and who just got our first win at Auburn since 1950. Whatever heightened expectations you have are based on Dabo's work and accomplishments so no, you do not have any place second guessing him.
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Are we still discussing the reasons why a blocked FG could
Sep 4, 2016, 11:44 PM
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never have happened last night because somehow Auburn's special teams could not duplicate what just happened in tonight's game... twice, or are we speculating on the conversation between Dabo and Gallman during the time out?
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Dabo said,
Sep 4, 2016, 11:53 PM
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"We trust Wayne Gallman. He ends up bouncing out. The competitiveness of him took over and he made a bad decision..."
Sounds like nothing was said during the timeout. That falls on the staff.
In reality, a kneel down would have been the best call. Auburn had no timeouts. Use that to your advantage. Kneel, run clock, then kick. At worst, we miss and Auburn takes over with less than 10 seconds left and needing 70 yards for a TD.
Kick either way. Going for it on 4th down was the riskiest course to take. It put us in an unnecessary, very slippery situation.
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You have been trying to blame the coaches all day.***
Sep 5, 2016, 12:05 AM
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Yes, for not admitting
Sep 5, 2016, 12:14 AM
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it was handled poorly. Game should never have come down to that. FG is not even necessary part of discussion BUT since Wayne was not told to stay in bounds, he had to make an unnecessary choice and that was on the coach or coaches.
Point being that maybe FG is blocked, missed, whatever could happen that I've never heard of maybe, it is still chance to ice the game. Coaching scared or out of fear, is that a fm good thing.
Our coaches are the best in the country, but the fundamental aspect of the game was lost in the last minute.
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Actually you are wrong
Sep 5, 2016, 12:24 AM
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Wayne said in his post game interview he knew to stay inbounds but he didn't because he thought he could beat the linebacker to the first down. He didn't make a choice to stay inbounds because he didn't know the situation he thought we could win the game.
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We had a timeout...one of the most important things that
Sep 5, 2016, 1:00 AM
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could have been accomplished in the sideline huddle was to make sure everyone knew the situation and how to play it correctly. Dabo should own that one, not say basically Wayne screwed up. Coaches should have reminded him, and really the entire offense, of what to do. Right?
The obvious thing to do there was stay in bounds and burn clock. Speaking of that, why were we even calling a running play on 3rd down? That's risky in and of itself. A fumble is more likely running Gallman up the gut then it is with Deshaun taking a couple steps and kneeling. Auburn had no timeouts... Kneel down and burn virtually the whole clock. Kick the ball and try to seal it that way.
Maybe Dabo got a little greedy there..wanting the first down? Or did he think it was okay to not get a first down?.. and give the ball back to Auburn with a little under a minute left? Because otherwise, the better option wasn't taken.. and it was there for the taking. Kneel, kick, ballgame.
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Actually
Sep 5, 2016, 12:06 AM
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At worst, they block the kick and return it for a touchdown, or the snap goes over Ryan's head (which almost happened earlier in the game). If we're talking worst case scenario, I'll take a botched field goal attempt over a botched hand off / fumble/ snap at that point.
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The coaches should be reminding players to stay in bounds in those situations.
Sep 5, 2016, 12:13 AM
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But players shouldn't need reminding at this level. Gallman shoulders most of the blame for going out of bounds there.
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Wayne said as much and Dabo said they'd discussed DW4
Sep 5, 2016, 12:40 AM
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taking a knee, so keeping the clock running was at the forefront in that decision.
It seems Dabo is hugging his running back when he says WG had a momentary lapse driven by his competitiveness.
That kid played his #### off Saturday night. His blocking on Auburn's pressure was other worldly, mentioned on more than a few occasions by the announcers. He didn't back down all night and that doesn't even consider the 30 carries and 123 yards against a stout Auburn D & front.
If you can love on and hate on a young man that gave you and the team his all when discussing a momentary lapse of reason, it seems that's how you might do it?
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^^see folks^^
Sep 5, 2016, 12:47 AM
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Like the rest of us humans, our coaches and players review their performance, provide each other critical feedback, and take measure to prevent future occurrences.
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Re: completely different
Sep 4, 2016, 11:32 PM
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That's a ridiculous argument because
1 it's the same unit that struggled out on the field
2 it being a FG increases the chance of it being blocked and makes the result of a block a lot worse
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SMH
Sep 4, 2016, 11:46 PM
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###?
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Not so much
Sep 4, 2016, 11:33 PM
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After a missed PAT and a high snap on a FG attempt that was only saved by Seth.Dabo made the right move. But yes you may be right, A blocked attempt last night would have resulted in tying the game with a PAT attempt to win,instead of having to drive the field.
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 4, 2016, 11:42 PM
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fortunate timing of "one of the oddest plays you'll see" to offer 'proof' to the ones who don't understand probability and statistics that they were correct
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 5, 2016, 12:06 AM
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You are talking to an economist and math minor I understand probability very well. I also understand putting your best unit out on the field to win the game and that unit was our Defense and guess what they did?!?!? They won the game!!!!!
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
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> You are talking to an economist and math minor I > understand probability very well. I also understand > putting your best unit out on the field to win the > game and that unit was our Defense and guess what > they did?!?!? They won the game!!!!!
well I was a math major, so I win
A lot of people just don't want to criticize Dabo no matter what. I love Dabo, but being a beloved successful Clemson coach doesn't mean you're incapable of making a bad decision. If the same scenario happened in the Vandy/SC game, with Vandy in Clemson's position, then 99% of the people defending Dabo's decision would be saying what a dumb decision Vandy's coach made.
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jdtiger98, facts are not welcome here
Sep 5, 2016, 12:32 AM
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There was a time when most would understand what I'm saying. Dabo is awesome but is he capable of mistakes?? Apparently not, I know we won the game. The end of the game could have been handled a much more simplified way. Maybe the drama was orchestrated from Vegas??? Come on guys, this is a no brainer.
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Re: jdtiger98, facts are not welcome here
Sep 5, 2016, 12:34 AM
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So now you accuse our coaches of point shaving? You sound like a super fan alright.
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Interesting since you are here
Sep 5, 2016, 12:39 AM
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defending a decision that could cost us a victory. Seriously, I worry for you if this is sincere. Hoping you are just playing the part of the ignorant fan. You do it well, make sure to always agree with poor decisions and you will go far.
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Re: All you statisticians criticisizing Dabo
Sep 5, 2016, 12:40 AM
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Touché with the math major lol. I'm not a Dabo homer I honestly think the decision was justified given what happened in the game up to that point.
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so we should never kick another pat or fg this year
Sep 4, 2016, 11:49 PM
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due to it could get blocked and ran back right?
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^ Missing the point.***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:50 PM
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No points missed, remember we didn't try the kick
Sep 4, 2016, 11:53 PM
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See what I did there Francis. Knowledge, probability, statistics, these are a few things generally used to determine the choices that SHOULD be made. Point found, you are welcome.
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Auburn scored touchdowns on 8.3% of their possessions prior
Sep 5, 2016, 12:02 AM
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that decision by Dabo. That means Auburn had a 91.7% chance of not scoring a TD on our D, and that was based on a large and recent sample size. We had already missed one extra point, and had another snap go well high. Had it not been for an excellent play by our holder, it could have been a turnover. Now Dabo saw the kicking issues, and knew Auburn's chances of scoring were low, so he took a calculated risk, and it worked.
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Re: so we should never kick another pat or fg this year
Sep 5, 2016, 12:10 AM
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No that's not the case but if we are in a dog fight and our special teams unit isn't performing well I wouldn't be against doing it again. As I said previously put your best unit on the field to win the game plain and simple.
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Why can I not stop clicking on these posts?***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:55 PM
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Re: Why can I not stop clicking on these posts?***
Sep 4, 2016, 11:57 PM
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it's like naked and afraid. you can't look away
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It's the lack of critical thinking skills that has
Sep 5, 2016, 12:04 AM
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you back to find out what's next. Critical thinking is hard and requires thought and analysis of situation. Some are capable, others not so much. It's comical to see the defense our fans come up with, it's as if statistics are kept for the sake of having something they can use to start fires. God forbid you doubt our coaches when game is in jeopardy. I love Dabo and this does not change it, but every thing that happened in the last minute could have been negated by better decision making from our head coach. That is a fact, sorry if anyone fails to agree. If we lost, what would these same people be saying ????
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My eyes! My eyes!***
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Re: It's the lack of critical thinking skills that has
Sep 5, 2016, 12:12 AM
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For someone that is trying so desperately to exert some intellectual superiority you seem to not understand something as simple as the definition of the word "fact". That "everything that happened in the last minute could have been negated" is supposition, not fact. Being a coot doesn't have an audition process so you can lay up on smearing our coaches.
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It is a fact. 45 seconds left. Run kneel down play
Sep 5, 2016, 12:15 AM
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Which easily could take 5 seconds, clock resets and runs out. Game over. Fact!!
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^^winner, winner. Chicken dinner.^^
Sep 5, 2016, 12:21 AM
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Intellectual prowess achieved.
Next subject......please!
For the love of gee hawd, please.
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Re: It is a fact. 45 seconds left. Run kneel down play
Sep 5, 2016, 12:21 AM
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If you think that mess of incomplete sentences constitutes an incontrovertable fact you are a discredit to a Clemson education.
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Viztiz, fact is my statement is a fact
Sep 5, 2016, 12:20 AM
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How do you not understand that. Watch last minute of game again and tell me how my statement is not factual. Coot?? You serious, just because I don't like the FACT our team, Clemson, was put in a bad situation.
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Re: Viztiz, fact is my statement is a fact
Sep 5, 2016, 12:23 AM
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"Bad situation" also does not constitute a fact. Stop while you're behind.
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and here I am trying to let him win....
Sep 5, 2016, 12:25 AM
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SMH
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Re: and here I am trying to let him win....
Sep 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
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Sorry - i fought the urge all day but I just can't take it anymore.
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May the force be with you. Always.***
Sep 5, 2016, 12:34 AM
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Re: Viztiz, so I take it you have no idea
Sep 5, 2016, 12:26 AM
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what the word "fact" means ?? I'm not behind, it's unfortunate you think like you do and are never wrong. Except this time, math skills. Put the game on, last minute of the game, and tell me I am wrong because I am not. Goodnight and get back to me when you learn something, take your time though since you need it.
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Re: Viztiz, so I take it you have no idea
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There is no conjecture about what might have happened that could be construed as fact. What is fact is that the chain of events that unfolded last night resulted in a Clemson victory - FACT! as you like to emphasize. A fact that seriously seems to distress you since you've spent a lot of time expressing a desire that things had unfolded differently last night.
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Re: It's the lack of critical thinking skills that has
Sep 5, 2016, 12:12 AM
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is it possible that dabo was not comfortable with what he'd been observing during fg and xp attempts? his thoughts were based on what the d had been doing all night long and every stat proves the d was playing shutdown. he had some options - he picked that one. my only concern was the middle would be open last drive for chunk plays. #### happens. 1-0.
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