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KFF Trans Survey - timely!
Mar 24, 2023, 8:45 AM
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Maybe this will be helpful given the ungodly number of posts on the transgendered that we see on the political board.
KFF (formerly the Kaiser Family Foundation - changed the moniker because it created confusion with people who thought they were related to the pharmaceutical company) is a polling corporation that primarily focuses on health related matters. They are serious. They are non-partisan, with people from all over the political map on their board.
Anyway, they completed the most comprehensive survey of the trans community ever conducted.
From their one-sheet of highlights:
KEY FINDINGS:
• Most trans adults are young. The trans adult population is younger than the larger cisgender adult population, with the majority of trans adults younger than 35 years old.
• Most trans adults say transitioning helped them. Nearly 8 in 10 trans adults (78%) say that living as a gender different from the one assigned to them at birth has made them “more satisfied” with their life, including just under half (45%) who say they are “a lot more satisfied.” Likewise, trans adults who say they present as a different gender “all” or “most of the time” are three times more likely to say they are “a lot more satisfied” living as a gender different from the sex they were assigned at birth, compared to those who present as a different gender “some of the time” (62% v. 19%).
• Many trans adults don’t identify as a man or a woman. Six in ten trans adults do not identify as either a “trans man” or a “trans woman,” but instead say “trans, gender non-conforming” or “trans, nonbinary” are better ways of describing themselves.
• Pronoun preferences vary. About half of trans adults (48%) use they/them pronouns, and about one-third say they use a combination of they/them, she/her or he/him pronouns.
• Gender identity differs from sexual orientation. Seven in ten trans adults identify as lesbian, gay, queer, or bisexual.
• Most realized they were trans in childhood. Most trans adults (66%) say they began to understand that their gender was different from the sex they were assigned at birth before the age of 18, including a third (32%) who say they began to understand when they were ten years old or younger and another third (34%) who say they began between the ages of 11 and 17.
Note that this is NOT a survey of gay men, lesbians, or bisexuals.
Trans: “Trans” is an umbrella term to describe people whose gender is not the same as the sex they were assigned at birth. This includes but is not limited to:
• Transgender men and women;
• Non-binary trans adults, or those whose gender identity isn’t a “man” or a “woman” but could involve both or neither; and
• Gender non-conforming trans adults, or those whose gender identity doesn’t conform with society’s gender norms.
Cisgender: “Cisgender” describes individuals whose gender identity corresponds
with the sex they were assigned at birth.
https://www.kff.org/other/poll-finding/kff-the-washington-post-trans-survey/ KFF/The Washington Post Trans Survey The KFF/Washington Post Trans survey is the most in-depth representative survey of the life experiences of transgender adults in the U.S., including how they define themselves, their childhood experiences, their gender transitions, and the hostility and discrimination they face
There are a bunch of links in the article, though, since WaPo paid for the survey, the content is behind their paywall.
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It’s WaPo, so you know it’s good.***
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Re: It’s WaPo, so you know it’s good.***
Mar 24, 2023, 4:36 PM
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KFF did the survey, it's good. But I love that that is the only place you can go.
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So do you understand he was point out lefty hypocrisy
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Mar 25, 2023, 4:38 AM
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or did it fly over your head too.
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apparently it was meant to be "satire"***
Mar 25, 2023, 3:43 PM
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No quotes needed, that’s what it was. Thanks!***
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Honestly not trying to be obtuse here....
Mar 25, 2023, 6:58 PM
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Can you explain the target of your satire?
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Guess so.***
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Mar 24, 2023, 4:35 PM
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Good for the freaks! I hope they're happy!
Just don't dare try to make me call a guy a girl, 'cause that ain't happening.
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Nobody is making you do anything.
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Mar 24, 2023, 5:17 PM
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Settle down.
Presumably, people with bipolar disorder, depression, anorexia, OCD, and anxiety are freaks as well, so we'll just throw trans people in that pile. Do depressed people get you this angry?
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Re: Nobody is making you do anything.
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Mar 24, 2023, 5:25 PM
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Re: Nobody is making you do anything.
Mar 24, 2023, 6:58 PM
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Only if a depressed guy tries to compete in women’s sports or use their bathroom/locker room.
A straw man argument is when you create these fantasy situations and argue against your own fantasies.
I love how women athletes welcome trans women athletes but bubbas think they know better. It is because women know the issue is opportunity and access. Some idiot on here cited injuries yesterday. Y'all need to get a grip.
https://apnews.com/article/world-cup-sports-soccer-youth-florida-state-government-f458309129ccf02fcddae5e360541317 US forward Alex Morgan supports transgender kids in sports Forward Alex Morgan says the U.S. national team should have internal discussions about playing games in states that restrict transgender kids from participating in sports. The team is currently preparing for the SheBelieves Cup, a round-robin tournament with Canada, Brazil and Japan that starts next week.
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Re: Nobody is making you do anything.
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Trans sports advocate Ms.Alex Morgan = another hypocrite
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Ms. Alex Morgan sounds like another of those ‘I’ve already made myself famous’ women who is willing to be ‘generous’ with trading away sporting competition chances for OTHER women by forcing them to compete against a biological male for a spot on a women’s sports team.
Good for Ms. Morgan and her post-athletic career in sports or non-sports broadcasting at woke networks such as ESPN or the majority of the 3 letter news networks; Ms. Morgan’s ‘generous’ social position (paid by the lost opportunities for future female athletes) is pure hypocrisy.
I wish her the worst of luck in her career ambitions to be in any role involving the well-being of other people.
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Re: Nobody is making you do anything.
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Mar 24, 2023, 9:55 PM
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So shes fine with men going in other womens locker rooms. How stunning. How brave.
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Re: Nobody is making you do anything.
Mar 25, 2023, 7:52 AM
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No, she's fine with trans women doing it. That you can't even say the words says more about you than her.
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B.S. about the girls’ ‘leader’ deciding tranny-ism for team.
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Why should other women who are uncomfortable ( or worse) about having naked men in their locker room suddenly decide it’s OK because one big mouthed teammate says it’s OK with her?
Heck, even if only ONE teammate didn’t want mnaked men in the locker room, then why should her sentiments be ignored? Because she would be a minority in that case?
What if the one true female objecting teammate was a rape victim? What if she was forced as a little girl to just watch (no touching) boys jerking off? Would either of those circumstance allow her sole objection against having naked men in her locker room become valid … in other words, allow her one vote to veto allowing the man teammate into the women’s locker room? What if the sole woman objector is a black woman and all of her other teammates are white … including the tranny?
Xxxxxxx
Warning to the LGBTQ ‘rights’ crowd … I’m ready and waiting for any of you to provide an argument as to why the ‘minority woman objector’ should not be granted her wish.
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Those are good analogies
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Mar 25, 2023, 8:46 AM
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Except we treat the others properly as mental disorders.
If we treated depression the same way we are trying to treat gender dysphoria, we’d tell depressed people that they’re correct, the world really is that bad and others are just bigoted against their gloomy outlook, and offer them free cyanide capsules on demand.
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Re: Those are good analogies
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It's the only condition for which someone believes they are something that they are not that is not treated as delusional.
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It's not even politics, it's just common decency to call someone by what they prefer.
Mar 24, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Seriously Kevin, is that the hardest thing anyone has ever asked you to do?
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Two different things going on here.
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Mar 25, 2023, 1:54 AM
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Of course it's kind and respectful to be nice and address people the way they prefer to be addressed. I certainly do my best in that regard, and I think the world would be a better place, for the most part, if we all treated each other that way. If you are a man who feels more like a woman, and you choose to live as one, I will respect that. If you are a woman who chooses to live as a man, I will respect that.
It's an entirely different thing to insist that anyone actually believe and buy into the nonsense that boys can actually become girls or girls can actually become boys, or that sex and/or gender don't matter or make any difference. That's idiotic bullchit.
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Re: Two different things going on here.
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Exactly - if you're 6'4" with a beard and a #### and want me to call you Betty Sue, I will. But, I don't believe you're a woman.
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Exactly - and you can't make me say I believe it, and it's
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wrong to punish or penalize me in any way for not believing it or saying I don't.
I will always be kind to and respectful of trans people, as I know they are in a very tough situation, but they nor the government can dictate what I believe, or restrict my freedom to express my beliefs on the matter.
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Or if the "conservatives" weren't using it as a culture war issue to instill fear or drive angst into the "base". What y'all can't seem to fathom is that this is a LOSING issue, amongst many others, for your current side as most in the middle just don't give a crap about it compared to other issues.
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
Mar 24, 2023, 5:31 PM
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Because you are an idiot that requires refuting. Your welcome!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
Mar 24, 2023, 5:35 PM
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Keep living in your dream world bro!
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Good one
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Re: Good one
Mar 24, 2023, 5:43 PM
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Look, it's Birm with his gifs. No offense intended Birm!
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Re: Good one
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Re: Good one
Mar 24, 2023, 5:58 PM
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Nope, I just have respect for people other than those that are like YOU!
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Your wit is astounding
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Re: Your wit is astounding
Mar 24, 2023, 6:03 PM
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WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAK!
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You should change your user to
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Re: You should change your user to
Mar 24, 2023, 6:06 PM
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EVEN WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAKER!
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the lefts war on women
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Re: the lefts war on women
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Re: the lefts war on women
Mar 24, 2023, 8:57 PM
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Are you denying that hermaphrodites exist? Do you need to see any picts to help you or is that against your politics/religion?
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Re: the lefts war on women
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You are quite uniformed. Thank you for letting us know!
Just because you are uncomfortable with trans people doesn't mean they do not exist.
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Re: the lefts war on women
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you need to follow the science
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The irony of thinking science is on your side w/this issue.
Mar 25, 2023, 6:23 PM
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Here's a hint: Science is rarely on the side that believes in absolutes like "there's only male/female/mental illness"
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Identity change was 4 criminals & fugitives - insurance
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People who create public false identities for themselves were typically criminals &/or fugitives, people in witness protection, or battered women &/or abused children.
The recent ‘societal popularization’ of the ‘modern Tranny’ … an extreme approach for mentally ill people and failed male athletes who seek notoriety by competing in women’s sports … creates a much more expansive ‘hiding place’ for the typically criminals &/or fugitives, people in witness protection, or battered women &/or abused children.
Historically, it has been uncommon (but not unheard of) for a man fakes his death via an alleged boating or camping trip accident, the body isn’t recoverable (I.e., the ‘body’ isn’t recovered), and the left-behind family (eventually) gets a large insurance settlement.
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I suppose that the proliferation of Trannies in society would make it easier for criminals / fugitives / witness protection / battered women people to better conceal themselves. For the witness protection / battered women / abused children, this is a good thing.
For the criminals (including life insurance fraud perpetrators), this is not a good thing as far as overall society is concerned.
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(*). Life insurance premiums should go up for everyone, now that insurance fraud will be harder to catch.
(*). Families who have suffered from the real demise of a ‘bread winner’ whose body had not been recovered are less likely to get insurance money in a timely manner.
Is everyone cool with criminals being able to more easily hide out via a different identity, and for their life insurance premiums to rise?
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I will mail $1
Mar 25, 2023, 7:56 AM
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To anyone who can translate Remember the Danny's rant into coherence.
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Re: I will mail $1
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It means that the pro-tranny crowd never thinks about broader societal consequences to the tranny crowd’s social engineering experiments.
Use that $1 to buy a lollipop. You’ll be even more popular to the kids that you are grooming at the nearby kindergarten.
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
Mar 25, 2023, 10:22 PM
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Since this is (largely) about high school sports participation, soccer is a helluva lot more relevant than kickboxing, unless you know if high school kickboxing going on somewhere. (And I've already said elsewhere that professional leagues are free to set their own standards for participation - or agree to them in collective bargaining with the athletes.) But public schools can't discriminate.
You guys are decrying this and basically creating a solution in search of a problem. Show me the list of trans athletes that have taken over all those sports you name. I'll wait.
And to the backward hicks... well, you seem to be telling women who they are capable of competing against. Just as you (collectively) like to take charge of the reproductive rights of women. I really don't expect backward hicks to appreciate being called out as backward hicks, but that is no reason for me to not point out that they treat women as chattel, incapable of knowing what is good for themselves.
You want something more than soccer players? Here you go. But, yeah, bubba the couch potato knows more than women who are actual athletes.
https://www.womenssportsfoundation.org/press_release/billie-jean-king-megan-rapinoe-and-candace-parker-join-nearly-200-athletes-supporting-trans-youth-participation-in-sports/
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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Re: KFF Trans Survey - timely!
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They don’t have to “take over.” It just takes ONE. If you’re the father of a female HS athlete who works her tail off and spends countless hours training, only to get beat out by a “girl” with a package, then you might understand. It’s wrong period, no matter how many names you choose to call people.
"With a package" - backward-hickism right there.
How do you think the father of a transgendered child who is not allowed to participate in high school sports feels?
What you are saying is that it doesn't matter the result of their participation, you simply don't want them to be able to participate.
Even though the vast majority of high school sports participants don't play in college. And even though sports like women's soccer are much more dependent on travel teams for creating opportunities to play at the next level than they are on high school sports.
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R tranny-ism rights a popularity contest, or true ‘rights’?
Mar 25, 2023, 5:27 PM
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Again, why does B.Sauerbrunn’s opinion mean anything more than those of the other girls on the team?
Should tranny-ism in women’s sports be decided on a popular vote basis, on the ‘rights’ of the male-transitioned-to-female, or on the ‘rights’ of the true female?
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Re: R tranny-ism rights a popularity contest, or true ‘rights’?
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Mar 25, 2023, 7:09 PM
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If biological males who identify as females participate in women’s sports, perhaps we should do away with women’s and men’s sports and have unisex sports. 😉
Let the best compete with the best.
I strongly suspect most biological females would prefer that trans athletes not participate in their sport. To express that would lead to condemnation. Some of those quoted as being all good with the idea of biological males participating in women’s sports have already obtained success in their sport without having to compete with biological males.
How brave of them.
If women’s sports is to remain, it is not logical that the overwhelming majority of women have to accept what a very small percentage of men identifying as women desire.
I don’t have a dog in the hunt as my wife and daughters are done with competitive sports and I don’t follow women’s sports save for tennis.
It’s not my battle, but it seems ridiculous that we are at this point.
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Re: R tranny-ism rights a popularity contest, or true ‘rights’?
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Mar 25, 2023, 10:36 PM
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I strongly suspect most biological females would prefer that trans athletes not participate in their sport.
rons1® this is where I think the conservatives just don't get it. Women athletes are keenly aware of discrimination and the lack of access to sporting opportunities. So they (largely) easily can relate to another group of people who just want to compete in athletics but who are facing discrimination. You guys want to excuse away any opinion that is different from your own. These women athletes are taking a pretty simple stance of "we've been there, so we're with you."
Y'all want to make it about some claimed "biological advantage" on the field. That's really not the priority to athletes who continue to experience discrimination who want to see people have access to the game. Their concern is access to play sports.
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Re: R tranny-ism rights a popularity contest, or true ‘rights’?
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Mar 25, 2023, 11:05 PM
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And if a woman (xx) loses a spot on a team to a male (xy), then that woman has been discriminated against.
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Mar 25, 2023, 10:40 PM
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Again, why does B.Sauerbrunn’s opinion mean anything more than those of the other girls on the team?
Should tranny-ism in women’s sports be decided on a popular vote basis, on the ‘rights’ of the male-transitioned-to-female, or on the ‘rights’ of the true female?
You know f-all about competing in women's sports. The actual woman athlete knows a lot about it. You are taking a paternalistic view. You take the same approach to reproductive rights, no?
T3Tiger®do you think someone decrying "tranny-ism" (whatever that means in his pea-sized brain) can be labeled as a backwards hick? Seems pretty apt to me.
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Mar 26, 2023, 8:17 AM
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Chris, you care way more than I do about this issue for sure.
If my daughters were still playing soccer, tennis or basketball and a biological male, because of innate physical abilities that are not claimed but easily provable to be superior than a female, were competing against them, I would have much more interest in the subject.
I suspect this issue will receive more pushback should more and more trans athletes push true females off the fields and courts. It's such a minor blip at this point that it's easy to pretend to be enlightened.
It's just a fact that males as a whole are significantly faster and stronger than females. It is not a claim, but a fact. Please supply me with just one successful female to male trans person who is competing well against XY born athletes. Perhaps there are a few, but XY has inherent physical advantages that can be denied if one is not into reality and science.
Unless and until women and girls raise enough hell to end this practice of allowing males to compete with females, I don't care what happens, but I do know that every time a male identifying as a female is placed on a team and displaces a born XX person, that's discrimination too.
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