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uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 2:01 PM
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Or not...
PHDs are the group with the highest vaccine hesitancy.
"Hesitancy held constant in the most educated group (those with a Ph.D.); by May Ph.D.’s were the most hesitant group."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/americans-with-phds-are-most-reluctant-to-get-vaccinated-against-covid/ar-AANjRHh
Also, this article by National Review digs through some of the details:
"Proponents of the vaccine are unwilling or unable to understand the thinking of vaccine skeptics — or even admit that skeptics may be thinking at all. Their attempts to answer skepticism or understand it end up poisoned by condescension, and end up reinforcing it."
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"But a study done at MIT showed that a substantial portion of public-health skepticism was highly informed, scientifically literate, and sophisticated in the use of data. Skeptics used the same data sets as those with the orthodox views on public health."
https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/07/convincing-the-skeptics/
I'm sure this will only fall on deaf ears...or at least non-listening ears because you are too busy thinking of some wonderful witticism to post.
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Are you trying to encourage the football team to get
Aug 19, 2021, 2:08 PM
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vaccinated? Just trying to link this to Clemson Football.
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Ya' know ... even if the Mods created a COVID Board, people
Aug 19, 2021, 2:30 PM
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would STILL post pontificating COVID rants on the 'Clemson Football' board.
Just like the vaccination/anti-vaccination diatribes, it is a losing battle.
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The scientific term is "woohoo syndrome "***
Aug 19, 2021, 2:37 PM
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Re: The scientific term is "woohoo syndrome "***
Aug 19, 2021, 3:03 PM
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Can confirm
Plus, we don't want to take away all the attention from the basketball poasts in the football forum. Makes it tough for us Judge burner accounts.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 2:22 PM
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GO read the actual article, it is open access: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.20.21260795v1.full-textTime trends and factors related to COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy from January-May 2021 among US adults: Findings from a large-scale national survey Objective To understand COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy. Methods January 6 through May 31, 2021, 5,121,436 US adults completed an online COVID-19 survey. Weighted data was used to evaluate change in vaccine intent and correlates of May vaccine hesitancy. Results COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy decreased by one-third from January to May, with relatively large decreases among participants with Black, Pacific Islander or Hispanic race/ethnicity and ?high school education. In May, independent hesitancy risk factors included younger age, non-Asian race, having a PhD or ?high school education, living in a rural county, living in a county with higher 2020 Trump support, lack of worry about COVID-19, working outside the home, never intentionally avoiding contact with others, and no past-year flu vaccine. Differences in hesitancy by race/ethnicity varied by age. Almost half of vaccine hesitant respondents reported fear of side effects and not trusting the COVID-19 vaccine; over one-third reported not trusting the government, not needing the vaccine, and waiting to see if safe. Reasons differed by degree of vaccine intent and by race/ethnicity. Conclusion COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy varied by demographics, geography, beliefs, and behaviors. ### Competing Interest Statement Drs. King, Mejia and Mr. Rubenstein have no conflict of interest to report. Dr. Reinhart received salary support from an unrestricted gift from Facebook. ### Funding Statement This material is based upon work supported by Facebook (unrestricted gift) and a cooperative agreement from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (U01IP001121). Any opinions, findings and conclusions or recommendations expressed in this material are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the views of Facebook or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Facebook was involved in the design and conduct of the study. The CDC provided funding only. Neither Facebook nor the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had a role in the collection, management, analysis, and interpretation of the data; preparation, review, or approval of the manuscript; or decision to submit the manuscript for publication. ### Author Declarations I confirm all relevant ethical guidelines have been followed, and any necessary IRB and/or ethics committee approvals have been obtained. Yes The details of the IRB/oversight body that provided approval or exemption for the research described are given below: The Carnegie Mellon University (CMU) Institutional Review Board approved the survey protocol and instrument. All necessary patient/participant consent has been obtained and the appropriate institutional forms have been archived. Yes I understand that all clinical trials and any other prospective interventional studies must be registered with an ICMJE-approved registry, such as ClinicalTrials.gov. I confirm that any such study reported in the manuscript has been registered and the trial registration ID is provided (note: if posting a prospective study registered retrospectively, please provide a statement in the trial ID field explaining why the study was not registered in advance). Yes I have followed all appropriate research reporting guidelines and uploaded the relevant EQUATOR Network research reporting checklist(s) and other pertinent material as supplementary files, if applicable. Yes Survey microdata is available to researchers under a nondisclosure agreement protecting the confidentiality of responses. Access can be requested at < https://cmu-delphi.github.io/delphi-epidata/symptom-survey/>. < https://cmu-delphi.github.io/delphi-epidata/symptom-survey/coding.html>
"PhD" level is not =/= PhD - it is often just a placeholder for doctorates because PhD comprise one of the bigger groups. EDs, and other doctoral degrees are likely lumped together.
However, PhD are going to me much more skeptical of things in general. I am not surprised as more replied more in the "probably not/yes" and that is skewing the marker. They do say more study is warranted to check this result.
But, that being said...
The most interesting thing though, the PhD group was the most consistant over time for their hesitancy
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 2:24 PM
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uggg, I hate when links do that, sorry for not checking
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 3:01 PM
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Probably because they are intelligent enough to think for themselves unlike most of you on the interwebs.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 3:08 PM
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"Thinking for yourself" = consuming Facebook memes and watching YouTube videos and listening to what some guy says on Twitter.
Like listening to the local pee-wee football coach instead of Dabo.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 3:16 PM
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Or actually reading data, which is the point of my post, but, like clockwork, here you are acting as if we aren't all looking at the same data.
Did you know 756 kids died from drowning in 2019. 309 aged 3-18 have died from COVID in 18 months. Those are facts and we aren't cancelling pool parties and putting swimmies on at bath time.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 3:30 PM
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Or actually reading data, which is the point of my post, but, like clockwork, here you are acting as if we aren't all looking at the same data.
Did you know 756 kids died from drowning in 2019. 309 aged 3-18 have died from COVID in 18 months. Those are facts and we aren't cancelling pool parties and putting swimmies on at bath time.
Right. And people drive drunk and kill people all the time and we don't ban cars!!!!
Impeccable logic.
I hope you won't be offended if I choose to follow my Dr's advice over yours.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 19, 2021, 3:38 PM
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I think the number of kids that suffer significant complications from the vaccine Will far exceed that number if we vaccinate all kids 3-18.
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 20, 2021, 11:02 AM
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Clem, back up a second. Lets do the math.
Severe reactions from the vaccine are extremely rare.
Anaphylaxis is at a clip of about 3.5 per million doses Mycocardis is at a clip of 16 per million doses Total risk of death from a vaccine (and even then death is not necessarily related to the vaccine, just happened after the dose and thus noted) is about 7,000 out of the out of the 350 million does or 20 per million doses. - Lets just use this as the "worse case" for the vaccine across all ages.
On the other hand, for those 0-17, there has been 361 deaths out of 53,193 recorded cases.
That is almost 6800 deaths out of a million. 1 in 147 will die in the 1-17 age group based on current data.
So the risk of 1 in 147 from the virus OR 1 in 50,000 from the vaccine. Risk for serious complication is even lower.
So the Vaccine is literally 99.998% safer than an unvaccinated case resulting in death.
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Ph.Ds in WHAT?
Aug 19, 2021, 3:36 PM
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The overwhelming majority of doctoral-level folks in healthcare and life sciences are in full support the vaccine. You know, the people who understand this stuff inside and out and who should be considered the authority on this subject.
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Re: Ph.Ds in WHAT?
Aug 19, 2021, 3:43 PM
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I’ve had the vaccine. I have also seen patients with bad outcomes from the vaccine. I strongly doubt the vaccine is in the best interests of children. I also think it is clear the vaccine will not end this virus. So I think people should be allowed to make an informed decision on whether or not to take the vaccine.
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CU Guru [1723]
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Re: Ph.Ds in WHAT?
Aug 19, 2021, 3:44 PM
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And that is all anyone is asking...
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CU Guru [1723]
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Re: Ph.Ds in WHAT?
Aug 19, 2021, 3:45 PM
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I am the only authority on my own healthcare choices.
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And they are making boat loads of money off of it.
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Don’t forget that part.
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Anyone who understands science knows that they haven't
Aug 19, 2021, 3:43 PM
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identified the genome of the alleged virus and therefore knows the test results (cases) are all BS and the vaccines are all BS.
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I was going to say....
Aug 20, 2021, 3:39 PM
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The sequence was uploaded to NCBI as soon as is was completed.
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I'll take......
Aug 19, 2021, 3:48 PM
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"What do burger flippers and rocket scientists have in common for $1,000, Alex"
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Re: uNeDuCaTeD ScIeNcE DeNiErS DoNt WaNt ThE VaX...
Aug 20, 2021, 8:56 PM
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Looking forward to the peer review on this one.
This is what I find interesting. According to census data about 2% of 25+ year old Americans have a PhD. A random poll of 5 million people (assuming they are all over 25) would give you an expected number of PhDs in the 100,000 range. Even assuming half of the 5 million polled were under 25, that would result in an expected value of 50,000. However this poll only resulted in 10,000. To me that seems like the methodology of the poll is likely skewing the results. I.e. the fact that it is administered through Facebook doesn’t yield an accurate cross section of some groups that may be more hesitant to use Facebook than they are to get vaccinated.
I’m keeping an open mind because this data set will definitely reveal some interesting insights, but I’m initially pretty skeptical about facebooks involvement here. As Cambridge Analytica showed us, the Facebook user is a malleable one.
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the majority of Ph.Ds I've worked with over the last
Aug 20, 2021, 9:07 PM
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30 years quit learning anything after they got their doctorate. Just spent the rest of their time telling everyone all the stuff they knew!
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