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Orange Blooded [4023]
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Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 17, 2023, 12:14 PM
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wut? Maybe in the version of his report
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May 17, 2023, 12:34 PM
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published in the echo chamber because the FBI acknowledged his report and said many 'fixes' had already been implemented.
You don't fix chit that ain't broken.
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Re: wut? Maybe in the version of his report
May 17, 2023, 1:44 PM
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Durham concluded that the investigation was not political. Keep crying baw.
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Durham finds Bham was too
May 18, 2023, 6:28 PM
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Dumb for either role on dumb and dumber.
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Americans find that America sucks now.***
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May 17, 2023, 12:41 PM
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One dude’s opinion. Kind of like fumbling in the Red Zone.
May 17, 2023, 1:40 PM
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Convictions equal points. Opinions are like sports stats _ fun to talk about but can be meaningless.
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Re: One dude’s opinion. Kind of like fumbling in the Red Zone.
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May 17, 2023, 1:48 PM
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He didn't find anything illegal, but he did find wrong doing. Of course, at this point we know there was a lot of wrong doing in the Trump Russia investigation. This was already admitted by McCabe and Yates in a Senate hearing a few years ago.
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Kind of like how...
May 17, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Mueller said the findings didn't exonerate Trump of wrongdoing?
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Re: Kind of like how...
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May 17, 2023, 2:15 PM
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No. Finding wrong doing and not completely exonerating someone are two different issues. Now, I think Trump has done a lot of wrong doing, but I don't think he colluded with the Russians to rig an election. And, I don't think he was some sort of Russian plant. And at this point we know the FBI at least lied to be able to spy on the Trump campaign. Hopefully, the changes the FBI made will prevent this sort of thing in the future.
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Re: Kind of like how...
May 17, 2023, 2:19 PM
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And by the way, I think what the FBI did to Hillary Clinton, leading up to the election, was wrong too. And, she makes me want to puke slightly more than Trump does, but the FBI was wrong in the way they handled it.
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Re: Kind of like how...
May 18, 2023, 6:32 PM
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Of course Trump did not collude with Russia.
But he lost the 2020 election due to social media colluding with the democrats.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 17, 2023, 1:46 PM
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Not political. And from your own link
"Durham’s findings that the FBI’s investigation into the Trump campaign should not have happened are at odds with a previous Justice Department inspector general investigation into the FBI’s Russia probe, which identified problems with the investigation but concluded in December 2019 there was sufficient justification to open the inquiry."
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 17, 2023, 2:03 PM
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That's a quote from the author of the article.
Here's a quote from the Durham report:
Based on the review of Crossfire Hurricane and related intelligence activities, we conclude that the (Justice) Department and FBI failed to uphold their important mission of strict fidelity to the law in connection with certain events and activities described in this report,” Durham wrote.
Here's a quote about the Durham report:
Durham’s 300-plus page report also states that the FBI used “raw, unanalyzed, and uncorroborated intelligence,” to launch the “Crossfire Hurricane” investigation into Trump and Russia but used a different standard when weighing concerns about alleged election interference regarding Hillary Clinton’s campaign.
No wonder you're confused.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 17, 2023, 6:22 PM
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Where does the Durham report say that the investigation into Trump was driven by politics?
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 17, 2023, 7:54 PM
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Our investigation also revealed that senior FBI personnel displayed a serious lack of analytical rigor towards the information that they received, especially information received from politically affiliated persons and entities. This information in part triggered and sustained Crossfire Hurricane and contributed to the subsequent need for Special Counsel Mueller's investigation. In particular, there was significant reliance on investigative leads provided or funded (directly or indirectly) by Trump's political opponents. The Department did not adequately examine or question these materials and the motivations of those providing them, even when at about the same time the Director ofthe FBI and others learned of significant and potentially contrary intelligence. 45 In light of the foregoing, there is a continuing need for the FBI and the Department to recognize that lack of analytical rigor, apparent confirmation bias, and an over-willingness to rely on information from individuals connected to political opponents caused investigators to fail to adequately consider alternative hypotheses and to act without appropriate objectivity or restraint in pursuing allegations of collusion or conspiracy between a U.S. political campaign and a foreign power. Although recognizing that in hindsight much is clearer, much of this also seems to have been clear at the time. We therefore believe it is important to examine past conduct to identify shortcomings and improve how the government carries out its most sensitive functions. Section V discusses some of these issues more fully.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 17, 2023, 10:48 PM
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Where in there does it say that the FBI is polically biased? What laws does Durham say were broken and what charged should be filed?
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 18, 2023, 7:14 AM
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Your OP said Durham finds FBI not political, which is false.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 9:22 AM
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4 years and 6.5 million dollars and Durham came up empty on the MAGA claim that the FBI is politically corrupt. His job was to prove "crime of the century, and ge came up empty handed. I'm so embarrassed for the MAGAts. This is almost as funny as the failed Arizona audit and "stolen" election. Do MAGAts ever get tired of losing?
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 18, 2023, 9:39 AM
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Ok. Your OP is still false
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Let's break this down for people who didn't read the report.
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May 17, 2023, 3:40 PM
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First the dumbest thing I keep seeing here: Crossfire Hurricane wasn't an investigation into Trump, it was an investigation into Russia.
Durham argues that the FBI should have opened a partial investigation not a full investigation. In addition to the semantics, the FBI IG and the Senate Intel Committee came to a different conclusion.
In the world that they did open a partial investigation, this was based on intel from diplomats that Papadapolous said “Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs Clinton.” This is right after the DNC hack and we know that Russia was indeed in favor of Trump. We also now know that the Trump team was chalk full of ties to Russia. So is anyone even arguing that a partial investigation wouldn't have led to a full investigation?
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Re: Let's break this down for people who didn't read the report.
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May 17, 2023, 4:55 PM
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Crossfire Hurricane was an investigation into whether Trump knowingly or not knowingly interacted with the Russians to interfere with the election, which was ultimately taken over by Mueller, which led to the Mueller Report. To say that it was not an investigation of Trump is not accurate.
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The investigation into Trump started when he fired Comey.
May 17, 2023, 8:06 PM
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This is from the IG report:
As we describe in Chapter Three, the FBI opened Crossfire Hurricane on July 31, 2016, just days after its receipt of information from a Friendly Foreign Government (FFG) reporting that, in May 2016, during a meeting with the FFG, then Trump campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia that it could assist this process with the anonymous release of information during the campaign that would be damaging to Mrs. Clinton (and President Obama)." The FBI Electronic Communication (EC) opening the Crossfire Hurricane investigation stated that, based on the FFG information, "this investigation is being opened to determine whether individual(s) associated with the Trump campaign are witting of and/or coordinating activities with the Government of Russia." We did not find information in FBI or Department ECs, emails, or other documents, or through witness testimony, indicating that any information other than the FFG information was relied upon to predicate the opening of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation. Although not mentioned in the EC, at the time, FBI officials involved in opening the investigation had reason to believe t hat Russia may have been connected to the Wikileaks disclosures that occurred earl ier in July 2016, and were aware of information regarding Russia's efforts to interfere with the 2016 U.S. elections. These officials, though, did not become aware of Steele's election reporting until weeks later and we therefore determined that Steele's reports played no role in the Crossfire Hurricane opening.
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Re: The investigation into Trump started when he fired Comey.
May 17, 2023, 10:01 PM
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Michael Horowitz is a partisan hack from the crooked DoJ who was nominated for the IG job by the Divider in Chief Barack Obama.
If Putin ever really wants to get good at propaganda, his team should study the writings of Horowitz.
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And Senate Republicans? Are they Obama stooges too?***
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May 18, 2023, 12:10 AM
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Re: And Senate Republicans? Are they Obama stooges too?***
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May 18, 2023, 12:42 PM
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RINO Republicans also hate Trump. Like the Democrats, the RINOs recognize that already-wealthy politicians who come from outside the political establishment are a threat to the crony capitalist schemes that enrich both the elected politicians (from both parties) and high level federal bureaucrats.
Ross Perot’s candidacy for POTUS (as an Independent) back in 1992 was the wake-up call to incumbent politicians. Back then, the money making schemes for politicians were not as lucrative or as blatantly carried out as is the case today.
That Trump squeaked into the White House in 2016 was the worst case scenario … for both the crony capitalists in the govt -&- for the companies who paid the (thoroughly washed) bribes and then received disproportionately large corporate benefits in return.
Trump represents an existential threat to the money making schemes for incumbent politicians; criminal punishments are also looming on the horizon for those politicians and bureaucrats if the curtain ever gets raised.
The mafia and cartels fight with everything they’ve got to keep their criminal schemes going. Criminal politicians and bureaucrats have the same motivations to keep their criminal activities intact. Truth and honor are not part of their equation. It’s all about keeping the money flowing and avoiding prosecution.
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Re: And Senate Republicans? Are they Obama stooges too?***
May 18, 2023, 12:44 PM
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Re: Seriously, read a book.
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May 18, 2023, 10:33 AM
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Oh yeah, two of those FISA warrants were signed in 2016 and 2017.
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Re: Seriously, read a book.
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May 18, 2023, 10:39 AM
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It's all listed in the Dec 2019 IG report if, you know, you want to read something.
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Re: Seriously, read a book.
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May 18, 2023, 10:52 AM
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From page VI of the IG report:
The First Application for FISA Authority on Carter Page At the request of the FBI, the Department filed four applications with the FISC seeking FISA authority vi targeting Carter Page : the first application on October 21, 2016, and three renewal applications on January 12, April 7, and June 29, 2017. A different FISC judge considered each application and issued the requested orders, collectively resulting in approximately 11 months of FISA coverage targeting Carter Page from October 21, 2016, to September 22, 2017. We discuss the first FISA application in this section and in Chapter Five.
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It's all a conspiracy!
May 18, 2023, 11:41 AM
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Considering all the different judges that signed off, it has to be!
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Re: It's all a conspiracy!
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May 18, 2023, 11:52 AM
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There's nothing conspiratorial about the FBI lying to obtain these requests. The errors in at least one of the requests was part of Andrew McCabe's and Sally Yates' testimony before the Senate.
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Re: It's all a conspiracy!
May 18, 2023, 12:47 PM
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Everyone knows that the lefty is bankrupt when his final retort is to wave the ‘It’s all a conspiracy’ white flag.
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The FBI is not 100% objective nor a criminal organization.
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May 17, 2023, 1:20 PM
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Both statements can be true. Any organization that employs people will have some bias based on the individuals in the organization. Different people and groups in big organizations will have different biases.
Durham did not uncover widespread criminal activity nor institutional political bias in the FBI. To use a cliche, the initial Russian Collusion investigation got “out over their skis”. This may have been due to some individual bias and lack of management oversight. The FBI already addressed the management issues based on previous IG findings. Admittedly the FBI bounced off the guardrails but didn’t leave the road.
After four plus years of investigation, the lack of criminal findings and indictments are by far the most significant aspects of Durham’s report. Frankly the Report was 300 pages of “weak sauce”. The use of a Special Counsel investigation should be to uncover criminal wrongdoing, indict and obtain convictions. In this instance, the most overt political action was the original appointment of Durham as a special counsel to investigate a fictitious conspiracy that had little chance to uncover criminality.
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Re: The FBI is not 100% objective nor a criminal organization.
May 17, 2023, 1:51 PM
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And, of course, John Durham was nominated to serve as U.S. Attorney from Connecticut by Donald Trump and placed in the Special Counsel role by Trump's AG, William Barr.
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Re: The FBI is not 100% objective nor a criminal organization.
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May 17, 2023, 9:56 PM
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Yawn.
Michael Horowitz (guy who became IG and led the DoJ’s Russia collusion report against Trump) was appointed as IG by Obama in 2012.
The DoJ’s ‘get Trump’ team had a multi-year head start over Durham in creating the Trump / Russia hoax propaganda effort.
Durham had all of IG Horowitz’s report as a resource document. He also had to plow through the clever testimony from FBI chief Christopher Wray … specious testimony that Wray had years to massage for maximum protection of the FBI’s corrupt upper ranks.
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Wray is a Trump guy. Guess DJT is a victim of his own doing.***
May 17, 2023, 10:33 PM
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Re: Wray is a Trump guy. Guess DJT is a victim of his own doing.***
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Trump appointed a lot of losers; the RINO Republican infrastructure (remember that ‘patriot’ Reince Priebus?) was there to recommend ‘good’ candidates for cabinet positions and for high level bureaucrat positions.
Trump’s biggest weaknesses … by far … were (1) his lack of intimate knowledge about the mindset of candidate appointees -&- (2) his lack of advisers who were both (a) knowledgeable about candidate appointees and (b) motivated to recommend honorable (non-crook / non-nefariously motivated) candidate appointees.
In that, you are correct in that Trump did not have enough honorable & competent advisors to have him appoint someone other than Wray.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 17, 2023, 1:54 PM
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There are few posters on here that have serious reading comprehension issues!
The left never disappoints. Of course the Hoax was 1000% political!!!
Try harder, lefties!
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Linky-poo?***
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Still waiting***
May 18, 2023, 9:56 AM
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 17, 2023, 7:12 PM
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Uh oh…somebody still sore that mama hilldawg lost
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 17, 2023, 10:51 PM
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Another misquote by Birmingham Tiger…
Imagine that…
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 17, 2023, 11:17 PM
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Please, step up to the plate and show us where Durham proves Trumps claim of "crime of the century" and "politically biased" FBI. Tell us who Durham thinks needs to be charged or fired over this, and what changes need to be made within the organization. You got anything? Nope, didn't think so.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
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May 18, 2023, 7:00 AM
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The report said: "In particular, there was significant reliance on investigative leads provided or funded (directly or indirectly) by Trump's political opponents."
That is the definition of political bias. It isn’t a crime but it will get you fired
The FBI responded by saying:
“The conduct in 2016 and 2017 that Special Counsel Durham examined was the reason that current FBI leadership already implemented dozens of corrective actions, which have now been in place for some time,”
“all senior executives overseeing the Crossfire Hurricane investigation have left the FBI as a result of termination, resignation, retirement.”
As I have suggested to you before - please go take a reading comprehension class so that you are able to read at or above 4th grade level.
We look forward to your meaningful contributions to this board once implement this one corrective action
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 9:25 AM
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No it is not. If it was political bias, he would have said so and charges along with drastic changes would have been recommended. The political bias narrative of the FBI is now being laughed at along with the "stolen election" narrative. Do you still believe the election was "stolen"? 😆
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 9:42 AM
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Why did the FBI respond?
Also, I guess that’s why the white house press secretary walked out while she was getting grilled by her own handpicked reporters? No?
Do you still believe the Trump stole the 2016 election by colluding with Russia you silly little dupe?
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 9:46 AM
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Trump didn't steal the 2016 election. Nice try with the strawman though. Do you believe the 2020 election was stolen, or is Trump and MAGA FOS?
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 1:00 PM
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One brick at a time.
Let’s see if Fulton County, GA and Maricopa County, AZ ever get properly investigated for their 2020 electoral malfeasances.
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 6:54 PM
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Let's hear the irony. LOL
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 18, 2023, 11:34 PM
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Nah, I’m just going to sit back and enjoy it
Your being so obtuse…. it’s just too darn amusing!
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 19, 2023, 6:25 AM
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Re: Durham finds FBI is not political
May 19, 2023, 10:39 AM
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Bwahahahaha!
It’s even funnier because you are literally the only one who doesn’t see it….
🤣
ROTFL
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