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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
Apr 5, 2015, 3:42 AM
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He spoke like a true UK fan. Kentucky's program and fan base is just one huge double standard.
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Ring of Honor [22070]
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Point!!! UK plays in Rupp Arena - research that name. AND
Apr 5, 2015, 10:08 AM
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I have heard UK fans refer to their beloved basketball players on numerous occasions using the same derogatory term. I do not get it - how can a fan hate your players race and love the Cats.
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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What are you talking about
Apr 5, 2015, 6:03 AM
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He didn't say anything remotely racist..
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Legend [6865]
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Mic picked him up saying "F*** that N*****" about a
Apr 5, 2015, 6:17 AM
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Wisconsin player. That sounds pretty racist to me.
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How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 6:46 AM
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a n***a racist? Many black folks use the word as a term of endearment. In this case, he is ***CLEARLY*** using the word in the sense of "f*** that guy" with no racial connotation. Rude, sure, but not racist.. NOT TO MENTION that he was probably talking about the reporter who asked the question, rather than Kaminsky..
Also note that he clearly used the word n***a , rather than the other version (n****r).. the huge difference between the two you seem to either be ignoring or perhaps you genuinely don't understand..
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 6:54 AM
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No , he was talking about Kaminsky ...not the reporter. He was being a petulant , crybaby and showing the mental wear and tear that is associated with being beaten when you are the perceived favorite.
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 7:25 AM
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As stated earlier blacks use the n word all the time and in many different context.It is ok to completely write out the word ###### or ##### because apparently the word is not offensive since it is still used by a large portion of American citizens who were once thought to be offended by it. Surely if we ban something (unwritten) it's meant for everyone for everyone and not just certain segments of the population
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America: where what words you are allowed to say are based on your
Apr 5, 2015, 8:58 AM
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skin color. Skin color is SO important, but don't be racist, y'all.
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Orange Immortal [64968]
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The civil rights struggle that culminated in the 60s was
Apr 5, 2015, 9:19 AM
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all about minorities, particularly blacks, getting equal rights with whites, and ending years of discrimination based on skin color. It was understood that the bigger, overriding and underpinning principle was that skin color does not matter, and the goal was to have a color-blind society, and that we should all be treated the same regardless of skin color.
Black people being discriminated against was not THE problem, but was on the result of judging people based on the color of their skin and having different rules for people based on skin color.
All of that has been stripped away and thrown out with the trash, and replaced with the very thing that was THE problem to start with - treating people differently based on the color of their skin; different sets of ridiculous, absurd "rules" for people based entirely on skin color. The lesson was not learned, and THE problem continues.
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 7:16 AM
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JD - you are showing your racist colors right now - If I understand YOU correctly, you have just pissed me off with your double standard chit. Me and you would never, ever get along as I don't tolerate that stupid chit.
If Harrison indeed said what everyone is saying he said, and UK does not kick his sorry ### out of school just like USUC did that girl last week, then I hope the NCAA steps in and shuts down the entire UK program.
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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There's nothing racist about anything I or Harrison said***
Apr 5, 2015, 7:18 AM
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it's not a lie if you believe it
Apr 5, 2015, 8:59 AM
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that word is wither OK for everyone to use or should be banned from the face of the Earth - choose one or the other, or it is a double-standard.
Inequality is defined by the ability or right for one group of people to do something that another group cannot, and are punished for doing.
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That might make sense if
Apr 6, 2015, 1:57 AM
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calling a white guy a ##### could be construed as racially insensitive. Hint: It can't. Never has. Never will.
It's not the word.
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Re: Why does it bother you so much that black folks can use
Apr 5, 2015, 7:39 AM
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Yo momma
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Re: Why does it bother you so much that black folks can use
Apr 6, 2015, 11:55 AM
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As a white guy it doesn't really bother me, but I do see the double standard in a way. The reason I say that is I believe in treating others the way you want to be treated. In this case if you're a black person and think of that word as racist and ignorant and don't want anyone calling you that, then you should lead by example and treat others of all races including white the same by not using that word towards them. Reverse roles here and the white guys reputation is ruined forever.
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Re: Why does it bother you so much that black folks can use
Apr 6, 2015, 11:57 AM
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As a white guy it doesn't really bother me, but I do see the double standard in a way. The reason I say that is I believe in treating others the way you want to be treated. In this case if you're a black person and think of that word as racist and ignorant and don't want anyone calling you that, then you should lead by example and treat others of all races including white the same by not using that word towards them. Reverse roles here and the white guys reputation is ruined forever.
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Rival Killer [2814]
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again, are you able to grasp that a black man calling a
Apr 5, 2015, 7:44 AM
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white man a N***** is not racist, because white people have not spent the last 150 years having low-rent black trash use the term against them as a means to dehumanize them, while controlling all the levers of power in society? I mean, apparently no, you are unable to grasp this, so I guess this is rhetorical.
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Re: again, are you able to grasp that a black man calling a
Apr 5, 2015, 7:47 AM
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Soooo it was yo momma
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Rival Killer [2729]
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There was a professor
Apr 5, 2015, 7:32 AM
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a while back that tried to use that term, but being he was white, turned into backlash for him. He stated it was common as "dude" but was in a mentoring position, not peers.
I do agree it is "street" slang and is made popular in the youth, but there is a time in place to say it.
"What's up my n****" has a very different meaning then "Sit down n****" or even in certain context "F*** that n****"
Just my two cents. Either way no matter what the slang, tone, or even look, one should be calculating in its use ( if at all) and understand there may be consequences.
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 7:32 AM
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So if a white guy says f that n##### it also becomes f### that guy?
I mean since it had no racial connotation at all for him, the same logic should apply for someone else.
And by the way, the N word doesn't just describe a BLACK person.
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Clemson Icon [24158]
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The N-word was created and used by white people to degrade and demean blacks
Apr 5, 2015, 7:38 AM
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So ***NO*** is isn't the same when you try to use it, and it never will be. I really don't know why that is so hard to grasp. Get over it.. BTW, I'm white as they come
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Re: The N-word was created and used by white people to degrade and demean blacks
Apr 5, 2015, 7:39 AM
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But the N word can't be used to demean a white?
LOL 
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He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 7:45 AM
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He's basically just saying " f*** that guy"
I'm guessing you are either old or don't have any (young) black friends?
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Re: He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 7:53 AM
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What the #### does being old or not having any black friends have to do with you being a total racist? Perception is reality in this case, and my perception of you is that you are a complete racist that doesn't even have a clue that he is. But you will be the first to stand up and play the race card when a white person uses the same words. Yes - I see how you are. RACIST!
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Re: He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 7:56 AM
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Yep. If the guy was white, would JD be here claiming he is "just basically saying #### that guy?"
Nope..the only word he'd be pointing out would be the N word.
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Rival Killer [2814]
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Yes, IF HE WAS WHITE. God almighty, it's sad
Apr 5, 2015, 1:04 PM
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watching tea bagels grasping to understand human relations and racism. Let me guess: you're one of those bright fellas who can't figure out why there isn't a White Congressional Caucus, right?
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Re: Yes, IF HE WAS WHITE. God almighty, it's sad
Apr 5, 2015, 1:15 PM
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What is a tea bagel? A slur about the tea party which I'm NOT a member of? And very far from it.
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Re: Yes, IF HE WAS WHITE. God almighty, it's sad
Apr 5, 2015, 1:17 PM
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Hey look ^^^ here is one that can't answer simple questions so he throws slurs instead....I bet he also claims to be "tolerant."
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Re: He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 8:04 AM
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I don't recall any of my black friends or black co-workers using the N word. Maybe because most of my friends and co-workers are educated and don't use the childish slang.
And I'm 42, I don't quite call that old. (Although when I was about 10 i thought 40 was old LOL)
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Re: He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 7:54 AM
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And my point is if a white guy had said it in that same context last night, YOU and most everyone wouldn't be saying "he's basically just saying #### that guy."
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Of course not, because context matters***
Apr 5, 2015, 7:57 AM
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And the context last night was the same for all of the
Apr 5, 2015, 9:46 AM
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players. If you want to go back into each players personal history, who knows what kinds of obstacles or horrors each may have faced at some time or other, and therefore what words may offend them, which would basically make it impossible to have any dialogue with them or make any comments about them at all, lest we run the risk of somehow offending them. Normally, and thankfully, we don't normally operate in that context, but one in which the intent of the words used is taken into account and considered in a more immediate context.
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Re: And the context last night was the same for all of the
Apr 5, 2015, 12:51 PM
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What does that mean?
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Reads like a bunch of made up gibberish.
Apr 5, 2015, 1:27 PM
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It wasn't a racial slur. Not even a little bit.
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Re: Of course not, because context matters***
Apr 5, 2015, 10:07 AM
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The context would be exactly the same. Player A is pissed because player B just beat his ### and ended his season. Player A says a remark about player B using a word that is frowned upon. Player A and player B are different races.
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Re: He isn't using it in a racial sense
Apr 5, 2015, 9:28 AM
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IF I did have black friends that used that word around me, I'd tell them to shut up or hit the road.
Per your logic, if my five year old hears one of my black friends say the N word and then repeats that word, My son is racist.
but your logic claims black people have no blame when theyre helping to keep that word in the public sphere.
If my 5 year old went to school and repeated a word that he heard from one of my black friends..should he be punished?
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Orange Immortal [64968]
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Then it would be perfectly acceptable for a white person to
Apr 5, 2015, 10:13 AM
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to use that term when referring to a black person, as long as he wasn't using it in a racial sense. I'm fine with that.
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Re: Then it would be perfectly acceptable for a white person to
Apr 5, 2015, 12:53 PM
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The word is a racial slur period.
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Serioiusly tho
Apr 7, 2015, 7:52 AM
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If Harrison said, "man, eff that redneck cracka", then there may be some merit in this whole ridiculous double standard accusation. As it was, it wasn't intended to be a racial slur nor could it logically be one.
What if Kaminsky said, "man eff that whiteboy"? Can you guys arguing for a double standard not see how silly the whole thing is? There's no validity in that argument. None whatsoever.
It actually reads more like a bunch of redneck crackers who want to be able to call black folks ###### without ramifications.
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Re: Serioiusly tho
Apr 7, 2015, 8:52 AM
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I do agree that a black guy saying f*** that n**** is not that big of a deal. It is exactly like a white guy saying f*** that honkey. No one would care. Having said that, the kid is an idiot for getting caught on camera using that language.
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Re: no, the "n" word can't be used to degrade whites,
Apr 5, 2015, 7:48 AM
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So white people that have never personally used that word can't be offended if a black man calls them the N word.....you know since OTHER whites may be guilty of using the N word.
Makes sense...not.
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Rival Killer [2814]
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Why the heck would a white person be offended about being
Apr 5, 2015, 1:07 PM
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called a n*** by a black person? How historically could a white person possibly find that offensive? If I called you a Chinaman, would you also be offended, or would you laugh and say "I'm not Chinese, so calling me a Chinaman, while offensive to Chinese people, can't possibly apply to me"?
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Re: Why the heck would a white person be offended about being
Apr 5, 2015, 1:21 PM
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Why yes a white man can be offended by being called ignorant. Which is what the term ###### means.
So yes, if someone walked up to me and called me n or ignorant, I'd slap the #### out of em.
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Speaking of ignorant........***
Apr 5, 2015, 1:28 PM
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Yes, I understand what the word n*** means. It is a
Apr 5, 2015, 1:10 PM
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shorthand, dehumanizing word for "negro." If he'd used the word Pollack for the kid, you might have a case, but the white kid isn't gonna be offended being called a N*** anymore than the black kid would be offended if somebody called him a Pollack.
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 7:46 AM
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"Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a contemptuous term used to refer to a person of ANY racial or ethnic origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc."
But a black man can't look at a white person as inferior or ignorant per the logic of the guy above.
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 8:35 AM
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Ok, so it's not racist. It's disrespectful. How about he should get punished for using that word? I'm sick of that word and the double standard for racism in the world. People bend over backwards to give opportunities to minorities, while in my experience the most severe racism exists within the minorities themselves.
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good to know we have a rassist expert round here
Apr 5, 2015, 9:27 AM
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Lol, what a fool. Maybe YOU don't understand. How's the weather up there on that high horse?
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Re: How is a black guy referring to someone as
Apr 5, 2015, 12:38 PM
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What is the difference in the two words. I'a white male let me use either and I'm a racist.
I'm sick of people defending this crap if the N word offends you when some use but not when other use then stop using the crap and crying wolf when it hurts your feelings.
OH yeah that was a stupid post
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Orange Blooded [3508]
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Well stated.
Apr 5, 2015, 3:37 PM
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I'm as white as snow, in my 40s, and some of my black friends even call ME that. I too see it as a term of endearment.(when it ends in 'a' and not 'er'.) HUGE difference. Anyone who sees this as racist really needs to get out more.
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Re: Well stated.
Apr 6, 2015, 12:06 PM
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So Harrison was using the word as a term of endearment when he said F that n----?
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Re: Well stated.
Apr 6, 2015, 12:07 PM
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And if a white player said F that n---- towards a black player after losing to his team then it would be viewed as a compliment as well?
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You see what you typed there?
Apr 6, 2015, 1:33 PM
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IF
Period.
If an Arab guy calls an American the Great Satan, yeah, he probably shouldn't do that. If they just got done playing a game and the American played well and won, and the Arab says in a meaningless manner, "maaan, eff that towelhead", is it the same?
No. Not even close.
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I'M OFFENDED!!
Apr 6, 2015, 1:27 PM
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Your black friends CLEARLY have double-standards. They OBVIOUSLY don't think all people should be treated the same. Nevermind the fact you get it and don't give a rat's butt.
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Re: What are you talking about
Apr 5, 2015, 9:15 AM
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Why don't you go up to any strange black guy and call him that word. If you do that you are either stupid or ignorant.
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"The only way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it"
Apr 5, 2015, 8:02 AM
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-Morgan Freeman
I'm so beyond sick of hearing about this crap. Isn't it ironic that our country elected a black president and 6 years after he takes office we are the most politically, racially, and culturally divided we've ever been?
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Re: "The only way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it"
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It would be nice if we didn't have to talk about racism/double standards, etc.
But I disagree with Morgan that not talking about it causes it to go away. I'd agree that some things we or the media claims is racism isn't really racism.
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Do you have some sort of evidence
Apr 5, 2015, 8:11 AM
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for this claim regarding unprecedented division, or is this just something you heard on Fox News?
Also, pretending things don't exist doesn't make them go away. I have to assume that quote was taken out of context.. if not, I've lost a bit of respect for Mr. Freeman.
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Re: Do you have some sort of evidence
Apr 5, 2015, 8:16 AM
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Mike Wallace: "How are we going to get rid of racism?"
Morgan Freeman: "Stop talking about [race]. I'm going to stop calling you a white man. And I'm going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. "
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Re: Do you have some sort of evidence
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When asked by Don Lemon whether race is a factor in wealth distribution in the United States, Freman said, “Today? No. You and I. We’re proof.”
“Why would race have anything to do with it?” said Freeman. “Put your mind to what you want to do and go for that. It’s kind of like religion to me. It’s a good excuse for not getting there.”
As for racism in society in general, Freeman said, “If you talk about it, it exists. It’s not like it exists and we refuse to talk about it, Making it a bigger issue than it needs to be is the problem here.”
Interview on CNN. didn't have a thing to do with Fox.
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Re: Do you have some sort of evidence
Apr 5, 2015, 8:19 AM
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But I haven't found that exact quote the poster above posted
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I was just summarizing what he said
Apr 5, 2015, 8:28 AM
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I didn't remember the exact quote
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Re: Do you have some sort of evidence
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If you can't tell that racial tension is at a all time high in the past 30 years then You are being ignorant. Did you miss the whole Trayvon Martin and Mike Brown shootings? Do you think those would have made the news if the cop and the one who was shot were the same race? How about when our president goes on National TV and says, "My son would look just like him..." Because the kid who was shot was black. You think that helped ease racism? Grow a pair dude and open your eyes.
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Re: "The only way to get rid of racism is to stop talking about it"
Apr 5, 2015, 8:55 AM
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I agree Hoover. Having a 1/2 black man as President has really brought out the bigots and racist.
Perhaps we haven't put it past us as much as we thought we have.
I was in the 9th grade when South Carolina integrated the schools. That was back in 1970.
If the young man would be offended by those words he shouldn't udder them.
I've been called cracker, white bread, poor white trash, cue ball, white meat,etc...in anger and in jest
The only thing that happen to me after those where used at me was all my babies where born naked.
Let's try to love each other as we love ourselves like the bible tells us to do, even Coots unfortunately.
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Not terribly ironic, no, that six years after electing a
Apr 5, 2015, 1:12 PM
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black president, the South is ready to secede and a bunch of white people on a message board have hurt fee-fees 'cause they ain't allowed to call black people N*****.
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Re: Not terribly ironic, no, that six years after electing a
Apr 5, 2015, 1:19 PM
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Comprehension? I don't recall seeing anyone here make an argument that they want to call blacks the N word.
Point it out ....
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Not ironic at all really.....
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The man didn't have some staggering amount of the popular vote upon his election in 2008 and clearly from the rhetoric going around at that time, race was a factor for many when it came to the dislike of him. So explain to me why that would all of the sudden change over the last six years? Think those folks are going to lighten up? Heck, naw. They went and created a party because they were so angry and say it is really about the man's "policies" when it comes to their dislike of him. Like another TNetter said, what is it with the butthurtness a segment of white people seem to have that they can't freely throw around the n word anytime or anyplace?
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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
Apr 5, 2015, 8:52 AM
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is this a competition now?
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now?***
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Re: now?***
Apr 5, 2015, 8:57 AM
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excuse my ignorance then, I usually compete for who could care less about these poasts..
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i recognize your right to care less.***
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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
Apr 5, 2015, 8:58 AM
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It's a double standard that will never go away. People of all colors need to grow thicker skin and learn to be the bigger person, when dealing with ignorance.
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Of course, there is a huge double standard. It's wrong, and
Apr 5, 2015, 8:59 AM
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it only makes the problem worse. Racism is the most upside-down, a$$-backwards, most nonsense filled issue that faces or country. All reason, fairness, and common sense is shut down right out of the gate by rage, entitlement, and misguided guilt.
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Re: Of course, there is a huge double standard. It's wrong, and
Apr 5, 2015, 9:01 AM
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I know when I get called #####, it awakens old wounds.
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Apparently it doesn't open any old wounds for these young
Apr 5, 2015, 9:21 AM
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men either, so I'm not sure what your point is.
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Re: Apparently it doesn't open any old wounds for these young
Apr 5, 2015, 9:25 AM
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wasn;t going after you, I am just mocking the debate that this should be tacked up on the scoreboard, cause the game has become so unfair.
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Well you got me again, dang it!***
Apr 5, 2015, 9:27 AM
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Yes, it is.
Apr 5, 2015, 3:14 PM
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It is a double standard because it violates the principle of treating everyone the same regardless of skin color (not doing so is the whole problem; oppression of blacks by whites is just one manifestation of that). Having different rules and standards for people based on nothing more than skin color was/is THE problem; continuing to do so simply continues the problem, even if done under the pretense of correcting the problem, which is nonsense on it's face.
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No, it's not.
Apr 6, 2015, 1:49 AM
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It's not remotely a double standard. You obviously don't understand the context, let alone the fact Harrison was complimentary of Kaminsky. You are out of touch with age group and how they refer to each other in this manner.
A black basketball player calling a white basketball player a ##### is not a double standard. You are aware calling a white guy a ##### is in no way, shape, or form derogatory, right? It never has been nor will it ever be. Can the same be said about black men? It doesn't even make sense to call it a double standard.
Again, if he called him a stupid cracka then maybe you'd have a valid point about double-standards. Then you could feign being outraged by such heinous behavior. But even then you can't group it against an entire race and call it a double standard. Even if Harrison did call him a stupid cracka, even then it would only be a double standard if Harrison was on record as thinking a white guy casually referring to another player as a ##### was derogatory. Or if Jesse and Al thought one was bad but not the other. That would be a double standard.
But as it was, it meant NOTHING but a referral to a fellow basketball player. Its what guys that age call each other. He meant nothing by it, and it cannot be taken that way in any logical manner. The word has never been used derogatorily against a caucasian. How can it be a double standard?
For the love of pete, some of you guys can't see the forest through the trees on this one. That and you are really out of touch with the youth of today.
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Re: No, it's not.
Apr 6, 2015, 8:19 AM
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I feel bad for you since I can see you have some passion behind what you are saying but the bottom line is you can't use that term and not offend somebody. Whenever I hear that term it offends me, period. I know where it started and I know how it is used today by African-Americans but that still doesn't make it right in my opinion. If a single word can bring out these emotions time and time again and make us have these conversions on whether it is right or wrong the easy answer should be to just get rid of the word all together. Anything that is right for one race and wrong for another is just plain racist.
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Yes, it is.
Apr 6, 2015, 11:00 AM
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I fully understand the context, and I'm not THAT out of touch with that age group as I have children that age, and we have had conversations about this very topic. Besides, I work with people that age, so it's not like this is the first time I've heard "#####" used that way.
I fully understand how the term is used, and that Harrison was not making a racial slur in any way. Like you say, it's what guys that age call each other. You are completely missing the point. The problem is, if Kaminsky had called Harrison "#####", there would have been #### to pay. Because of the way the word is used, it is also possible for a white person to use the term when referring to a black person without any racial intent, and in the same exact way as Harrison used it when referring to Kaminsky, in the same exact context, yet it would not be acceptable.
It's a double standard by definition. There are two standards, with the differentiating factor being skin color. It's a rule that is applied in different ways to different people and different groups of people, which is the very definition of a double standard. It's okay for black players to use that word when referring to a white person, but there would be #### to pay if a white person used the very same word when referring to a black person, even if the context and intent were exactly the same. It's okay for people with black skin, but it's not okay for people with white skin. It's a double standard no matter how you try to dance around it, and that's why it's an issue.
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Are you mad white people can't freely say
Apr 6, 2015, 11:27 AM
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the word or mad anyone says it at all or mad free speech is being trampled on in your opinion or what is it? Shouldn't the only person pissed about this be Big Frank and he has given his opinion and moved on? Sorry, man, but you sound like another angry white guy. Harrison is guilty of being just another idiot whether white, black, yellow, or green that has taken to making that word as common in conversation as Hello or Goodbye. I can't stand it. The gga version or the gger version.
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I think all people should be treated the same regardless
Apr 6, 2015, 11:46 AM
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of the color of their skin. I think it's wrong to discriminate or have different rules, standards, or laws based on race or skin color. If that makes me an angry white guy, so be it.
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Hey, as long as you own that belief, go with it.
Apr 6, 2015, 12:58 PM
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I'll continue to believe if you see one more story where a white guy is chastised for the word, and a black guy isn't, your head may explode. I wouldn't doubt if Harrison and Frank's conversation ended with something like you know you my n...a, Frank and the two laughed about it like two early 20's guys would. If Frank didn't care, I don't know why I should.
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No, my head won't explode the next time people are treated
Apr 6, 2015, 1:07 PM
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differently based on race, and the underlying principles of the civil rights movement are trampled upon. But I will continue to speak my mind.
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Guy, seriously
Apr 6, 2015, 1:20 PM
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Harmlessly calling an awesome white basketball player a #####, and when the said white guy understands the context, and states he gets it and doesn't care, then there's no need for you to "speak your mind" and exaggerate that it's a doggone civil rights matter. Oh my gosh please stop with that mess.
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It was a simple word used in a meaningless context.
Apr 6, 2015, 1:16 PM
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It wasn't remotely a matter of people treating each other the same, in fact Harrison was in a sense elevating Kaminsky and his game.
Attempting to exaggerate this matter to a global issue of equality, that's downright silly.
Again, if he called him a clueless cracker, then this discussion may have some some merit. But he didn't, so it doesn't.
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are you saying white men can't play basketball, or what ?
Apr 6, 2015, 2:40 PM
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by your quote "in fact Harrison was in a sense elevating Kaminsky and his game." sounds pretty racist to me.
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You are joking............
Apr 6, 2015, 2:49 PM
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Right?
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You are correct.
Apr 6, 2015, 1:12 PM
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I think this boils down the whiteboy being upset about the black dude using the word ##### to talk about another basketball player. Whiteboy doesn't seem to get it. Not one bit.
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No, its not.
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You are either out of touch, don't understand the context, you don't understand there's no logic in what you think you're saying, or maybe it's a combination of all or several of those things.
If an Italian guy calls a Arab guy a Guido, is that offensive? Is it a double standard for that Italian guy to call a Arab guy a Guido?
If a Chinese guy calls a Polish guy a Chink, is that offensive? Is it a double standard for the Chinese guy to be calling a Polish guy a Chink?
If a Mexican calls a white guy a wetback, is that offensive? Is it a double standard for the Mexican guy to be calling white guy a wetback?
The answers are simple. If the specific Italian guy, the Chinese guy, or the Mexican guy has ever complained about being called a Guido, a Chink, or a wetback, then it may be best if he never used the term even if nothing is meant by it.
In these cases the speaker may be accused of using a double-standard, but then again, it's not like he called Arab guy a Towelhead, or the Polish guy a Polack, or the white guy the Great Satan. So really, calling it a "double standard" doesn't even make sense.
Then there could possibly be a case (although it wouldn't make sense either) where the Arab guy was offended by being called a Guido, or the Polish guy being called a Chink, or the white guy being called a Wetback, but the bottom line in this case is that Kaminsky already said he wasn't offended and alluded to the fact he gets it.
So let alone the fact it can't logically be termed a double standard, why are you offended, especially considered Kaminsky isn't?
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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
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As a 5'10" 170 lb WHITE guy, even one that lifts heavy 6 days a week, something tells me I'd get shot in the face if I said that...not only that, but the shooter would get away with the crime because of this "nation's" double standard.
F the left! F "political politeness"! Keep it REAL, or throw it away! RIGHT SIDE BRIGHT SIDE! H3ll yeah I'm a f#ckin republican! F the OBAMunists! ALL OF THEM!
GO TIGERS!
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Couple of things...
Apr 5, 2015, 9:13 AM
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1. Poor judgement does not constitute racism. Now, if he would have said, "F that cracker" or "F that honkey" then I would say it's racism.
2. Let's not forget what African American's had to do in order to get a chance to vote and get this country desegregated. It was only about 50 years ago that people in Mississippi (among other places) where hanging/killing and intimidating young African Americans peacefully protesting their rights through sit-ins and what-not while muttering that word.
The N word has a real significance in context to a black person not a white person because he doesn't have this history. Poor taste? Immature? Stupid even? Yes. Racist? Apples to oranges.
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Obviously the word itself does not have that particular
Apr 5, 2015, 10:10 AM
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significance, else they would not use it. They have decided to accept it when another black person says it, but to be offended when a white person says it. The intent of the person using it has nothing to do with whether or not it is deemed offensive; instead the standard based entirely on skin color. Having standards based entirely on skin color is THE problem.
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I understand what you're saying and I have had white people
Apr 5, 2015, 11:58 AM
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get offended when I playfully called my black friend, my n*gga! And it was just a thing between us and he in no way was offended by it.
My point, I guess, was it's not a white racial slur however you look at it.
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I agree that it wasn't a racial slur when used that way, and
Apr 5, 2015, 2:46 PM
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it wouldn't be a racial slur if a white person used it that way either, regardless of whether they were referring to a black or white person. However, there are many who use a double standard and claim otherwise, and that's the problem. Besides, why is a racial slur any worse than any other slur?
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Here's what you're obviously missing.
Apr 6, 2015, 1:53 AM
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One can be construed as a racial slur, the other, not so much. It wasn't any type of slur or double standard. If Harrison called him an ignorant cracker, then even that would only be a double standard if Harrison thought a white guy calling him a ##### was derogatory.
Really bud, you're shooting with a shotgun hoping something sticks.
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"bud" . . . LOL! Here's what you are missing . . .
Apr 6, 2015, 1:14 PM
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I think the same rules, standards, and laws should apply to everyone equally, regardless of race or skin color. If that's shooting with a shotgun, then yes, I hope that sticks.
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Didn't stick at all.
Apr 6, 2015, 1:24 PM
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Your premise is all fine and good, and I tend to agree, however, it has nothing to do with this simple word, its usage, and the fact Kaminsky got it and doesn't care in the least.
There's no logic in what you think you're saying, and there's zero tie to this particular matter.
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Exactly.
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Wasn't a racial slur in the least bit.
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That wasn't racist.
Apr 5, 2015, 1:22 PM
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He was talking about Kaminsky as just another player. In today's world lots of young people of all colors and ethnicities refer to each other as "#####".
Just as importantly, white people have never in history been derogatorily referred to as a "#####". Now maybe if he called him a "backwards, uneducated cracka", then that would be a little different.
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Re: That wasn't racist.
Apr 6, 2015, 8:23 AM
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This was done on TV not the playground, at the very least Harrison should of known that and acted like he had some sense.
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You're right. I agree he should have shown better sense.
Apr 6, 2015, 2:51 PM
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But that isn't the issue being debated.
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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
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So white people called black people the N word for years. Black people adopted the term into their own community to acknowledge the common struggle, etc. And now that it's considered not tasteful for white people to use the word 50 years later we have the nerve to talk about "a double standard." Lol, this is a joke, right?
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I think it's a ### shame when you can't insult somebody...
Apr 5, 2015, 3:25 PM
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in public. I mean, if a man wants to insult another person and embarrass himself, it's a ### shame.
Doesn't the constitution say something about our rights to look ignorant and rude? It should.
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I love the "but it ended in an A, not an R, Defense"...If a
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White Guy can't use that defense, it's either a double standard or racist, or both
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It was neither.***
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Since you've ignored every other valid and logical point in
Apr 7, 2015, 7:43 AM
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this thread, perhaps you can tell me who's guilty of a double standard? Is it all black people? Is it Harrison? Jesse and Al? I'm sincerely curious to read your answer.
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Re: Andrew Harrison racist comments and double standard
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Harrison is just salty because he knows he ain't gonna do Ish in the NBA.
Only truly elite talent on their team is Towns.
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