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My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:15 AM
 

This is how i would rank my top 10 (11)

1. Kenny Flowers (big and fast)
2. Terry Allen (new how to get the important yards)
3. Kevin Mack (I just like big backs)
4. Andre Ellington (I love the way he runs)
5. C.J. Spiller (the best in many people's books)
6. Terrance Flagler (great years)
7. Raymond Priester (work horse)
8. James Davis (I liked that #1 and his hard running)
9. Chad Jasmin (63-17)
10. Reggie Merriweather - Cliff Austin (glad they were tigers)

How would you?


CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:17 AM
 




Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:23 AM
 

Not saying who was the best. just who I liked watching run the ball more. I wish C.J. would have ran North and South more and beat SC more. Those things had a huge impact I my top ten. I almost put emory smith's name in there because of that long run that he had in the carolina game that made Rodney williams go crazy.


Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:27 AM
 

Emory had a few moments of greatness.


Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:25 AM
 

1. CJ Spiller
2. Terry Allen
3. James Davis
4. Kenny Flowers
5. Terrance Flagler
6. Raymond Priester
7. Kevin Mack (didn't see him play but I know his name)

* Ronald Williams (had soooo much potential)


Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:29 AM
 

I didn't include Ellington because he has had injury issues and I believe the best is yet to come.

I probably should have included Harper (#8) also.


Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:31 AM
 

if he had not hurt his toe last year, i believe he would have possibly broken spillers numbers.

I liked harper too


Re: CJ may not be the best, but he is not 5th***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM
 

I think had Harper played FB in front of Spiller in the I-formation, (and stayed for four years) he could have been one of Clemson's better backs.


no love for Lester Brown?***

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:19 AM
 




Re: no love for Lester Brown?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:24 AM
 

what year did he run?


Re: no love for Lester Brown?***

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:41 AM
 

'76-'79.. he was known as the "rubber duck".... had a great touchdown dance before it was against the rules.




Re: no love for Lester Brown?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM
 

Just missed him. I was pulling for Clemson in 78 but didn't have a tv and lived in a house full of gamecocks. clemson for me was the newspaper until 1980.


Running behind one the great fullbacks ever in CFB...


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:47 AM
 

Marvin Sims. Epitome of a "beast".


took the words out of my mouth


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:20 PM
 

an absolute human plow who, when he got the ball, moved the whole pile about 4 yards......


Terry Allen would be my number 1 and flagler would move up

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM
 

some - probably not on a top 10 list but I love me some ricochet rabbit too.

There are so many great backs in our power football history its hard to settle on a list. Ronald Williams had a great couple of seasons prior to injury too.

Priester may actually be the best because he was ALL WE HAD and we still won games when even the Clueless COOT fans knew he was getting the ball every play and he still got yards.

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Spiller and Priester should be higher...


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:32 AM
 

So says the 23 year old.


Re: Spiller and Priester should be higher...


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:34 AM
 

I am only 40 :) so I am sure there are some rbs that should have been listed that I didn't get to watch.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:40 AM
 

Ware and Gore must be on that list.


The Tigers All Time Leading Rusher--Raymond Priester higher***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:44 AM
 




I love a good list.

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:45 AM
 

Here's mine.
#1. CJ Spiller. To me, had Dabo been the HC during CJ's full career his numbers would have easily eclipsed Priester's. Rob Spence's underutilization of this guy was criminal. Terry Allen makes a lot of folks's lists because he had a great pro career, but CJ was a much more dynamic and explosive player for a longer stretch of time.
#2. Priester. Nowhere near the athlete of the others on this list, but who can argue with the horse that had next to no passing attack to loosen the box for him.
#3. Terry Allen. Who knows what this guy might have done with healthy knees. He had one heck of a college run and even better pro run even still. Classic slasher.
#4. James Davis. CJ coming to town and a shoulder injuries limited what would have been the all time leading rushing total by a mile. Check 2005 vs. NCST for a reminder of how good JD could be.
#5. Kenny Flowers. Incredible physical talent. Another one that had injuries derail what might have been an incredible career. The closest thing we've ever had to Hershel Walker.
#6. Ronald Williams. This guy was like #5. Ridiculous talent but knee injuries really hindered him.
#7. Flagler. Best all purpose guy until CJ came to town.
#8. Lester Brown. 70's workhorse.
#9. Ellington. Senior year coming up could propel him up the list some.
#10. Chinadu Ohan. Just wanted that name on something somewhere...


Re: I love a good list.


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:51 AM
 

I like it supertiger... you know your stuff!


Great list******


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM
 




My 10:


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:53 AM
 

1. C.J. Spiller
2. Raymond Priester(put him behind '87-'89 OL).
3. Terry Allen
4. James Davis
5. Terrence Flagler
6. Ronald Williams
7. Kenny Flowers
8. Andre Ellington
9. Lester Brown
10. Cliff Austin

Marvin Sims, Tracy Johnson, and Mack were FBs.


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Another good list******


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 11:54 AM
 




my 10..


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:12 PM
 

1. Kenny Flowers
2. Terry Allen
3. CJ Spiller
4. Terrance Flagler
5. James Davis
6. Raymond Priester
7. Kevin Mack
8. Lester Brown
9. Joe Henderson
10. Ronald Williams (would be MUCH higher had he played a few more years)


WHAT, no Ricochet Rabbit?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:32 PM
 




Just described Lester Brown. Super elusive.***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:34 PM
 




Re: Just described Lester Brown. Super elusive.***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM
 

CJ should be number one by a mile. What are you smoking if hes not number one?


I haven't posted a list. Only commented. Check back.***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:46 PM
 




Re: WHAT, no Ricochet Rabbit?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:37 PM
 

Beat me to it. He was a good one.


Let's do Fullbacks!!

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:39 PM
 

No particular order...
Pat "Night Train" Crain
Charlie "Ding Dong Daddy" Dumas
Tracy Johnson
Chad Deihl
Marvin Sims
Kevin Mack(true FB)
William "Fridge" Perry


More.....


Re: Let's do Fullbacks!!


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM
 

WESLEY MCFADDEN,EMORY SMITH


MARVIN SIMS!!!


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:49 PM
 

talk about a forgotten BEAST of a fullback!.....goodness he was a load to bring down.


Re:the best by far***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM
 




not even up for discussion for those of us


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM
 

who have watched the Tigers since the late '70's....


Re:I would love to have him, now, when we needed a yard.


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:46 PM
 

I guarantee you that the big boy would get it.


and whoever hit him would pay dearly...***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:54 PM
 




Never was tackled for a loss!***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM
 




Re: Let's do Fullbacks!!


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM
 

Wesley McFadden
Howard "Junior" Hall
Kevin Mack
Marvin Sims
Emory Smith
Chad Jasmin
Chad Diehl
Derek Witherspoon
Chris Lancaster


What about Lancaster?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM
 




Wesely McFadden late 80's


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:40 PM
 

One of my favorites was Wesley McFadden #22, had the Wesley McFadden touchdown club on the Hill, one time the fence broke when he went to give everyone high fives there. He was from Chester County great person, tough runner. Had a big game against VT. Had to share time with other great backs so did not get as much spot light.


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If you don't think C.J. is a clear cut #1...


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:41 PM
 

...you need to get your head examined. It's not close.


Re: If you don't think C.J. is a clear cut #1...

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:45 PM
 

Now I know what my problem is. There is something wrong with my head. I have always had Terry Allen as the best back ever at Clemson


i agree with you


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:51 PM
 

Terry Allen was a pure RB to me. CJ was a multi-purpose weapon who i thought was underutilized by Bowden's offensive staff, along with other weapons like Ben Hall. CJ is on my short list of best football players along with B Dawk, Terry Kinard and the best ever: The Judge, Jeff Davis and Anthony Simmons, but pure RB to me will be Terry Allen until someone else comes along.


You have been around a long time, like me


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:57 PM
 

Ah, Jeff Davis. What I would give to have someone like him again at LB. I never saw anybody knock him backwards. Other all-time classic players - Jerry Butler at receiver, Dale Hatcher at punter


first game for me: 1977 ND/Clemson game at DV


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM
 

with Joe Montana at QB when i was 9....father was lifelong ND fan but had a hidden Clemson admiration after moving to SC...DESPISED the Chickens too...lol....The Judge was the best football player to ever wear the Paw to me...a Ray Lewis before there was Ray Lewis and had a solid NFL career too, although short, 6 years or so. Jerry Butler was a better overall receiver to me than Tuttle was, though Tuttle was a gamer. Jim Stuckey was a beast, Jeff Bryant was my favorite Tiger, number 99, lived in backfields, and is the most underrated DL to me we've ever had. i could go on and on....Dexter Davis would smack you as a DB and Terry Kinard was the sheriff of the secondary....our defenses back then DEFINED our team's personality....the Judge put that facemask in chests so many times that i can still see 45 in my head imposing will on folks....don't get me started on big Joe Bostic, Jim Riggs, Marvin Sims, etc.....beasts....Danny Triplett and Mark Heniford were two undersized warriors at LB too....ND's all american TE, Ken McAfee, told my father after the ND game that year, "number 98 hit me harder than i've been hit in my career..." that was Mark Heniford, a 200 lb. linebacker who started in '77 and was all over the field.


Re: If you don't think C.J. is a clear cut #1...

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:05 PM
 

Yes, then I would say something is wrong with your head because both the eye test and the numbers say that Spiller is the better, more versatile, and flat-out more talented back than Terry Allen was. It could also be argued that Spiller played behind a worse line than Allen did.

SpillerRushing: 606 carries for 3547 yards, 5.9avg, 32 TDs
Receiving: 123 catches for 1420 yeards, 11 TDs
1st Round NFL Draft

AllenRushing: 523 carries for 2778 yards, 5.3avg, 28 TDs
Receiving: 23 catches for 243 yards, 0 TDs
9th Round NFL Draft

Oh, and we're talking skills as a RB only, right? Because CJ also scored 15 more TDs on returns.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:44 PM
 

I do think CJ was the best, I am just bringing McFadden into the discussion. Spiller is all time best in my opinion not just for his on field results but also off the field he is such a great person and ambassador for the school and everything good about it.


One of my all-time favorites--switched to fb for good of

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:06 PM
 

team sr. year in '89.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson - what about???

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:42 PM
 

Marvin Sims??
He was a great running back who was never tackled for a loss...


Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! No Buddy Gore!!!????!!!!***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:47 PM
 




You forgot Tracy Johnson

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:48 PM
 

He was the best fullback, should be at 6 or 7 on the list.


Re: You forgot Tracy Johnson

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:50 PM
 

Agreed. As good as Kevin Mack was in the pros, Tracy was easily the #1 fullback ever at Clemson.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 12:58 PM
 

1: Raymond Priester (hard to argue against all-time yardage leader)
2: Terry Allen (even with recurring knee issues, piled up yardage, tds, could catch out the backfield)
3: CJ Spiller (most dynamic player on this list
4: Terrance Flagler (were it not for Kenny Flowers, he'd have set some more records other than single-season yardage, since broken by #1)
5: Kenny Flowers (Heisman talent were it not for untimely knee injuries)
6: James Davis (were it not for rob spence, would have eclipsed #1 in yardage--almost did despite him)
7: Kevin Mack (workhorse with speed--lethal combo)
8: Banks McFadden (legend--only this low because different era)
9: Fred Cone (see McFadden above)
10: Buddy Gore (see #s 8 & 9)


Banks McFadden was 1st team All Am. for 2 years


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM
 

nm


I differentiate between best player***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:02 PM
 




technically a fullback, but Marvin Sims.


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:03 PM
 

As far as I know, he never lost yardage. If you needed 3 yards, you handed it off to Marvin.


Big number 31....

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM
 

he almost singlehandedly brought us back against the Chickens in '79...between the tackles they couldn't bring him down before 5 yards....played a year or two with the Colts before knee injuries hurt him.....a beast..


Travis Zachary


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:07 PM
 

Zachary should be on that list. He and Woody were a great combo.


Agree!***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 2:04 PM
 




Hershel Walker, Bubba Bean, George Rogers***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:08 PM
 



null


Re: Hershel Walker, Bubba Bean, George Rogers***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM
 

Our end zone says otherwise


Re: Hershel Walker, Bubba Bean, George Rogers***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:13 PM
 

You were undoubtedly not there for the TAMU game in the mid 70s.

Our endzone may say so, but that was not the original question.

null


Re: Hershel Walker, Bubba Bean, George Rogers***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:19 PM
 

I was just poking fun for any UGA and USC fans. Didn't mean it to sound disparaging. I probably was at the A&M game since I attended from '71-'75. Just don't remember anything about it since we weren't very good then and lots of people looked good against us


Re: Hershel Walker, Bubba Bean, George Rogers***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:22 PM
 

Ironically enough, I was a freshman in 1971 and graduated in 1975. I went on to get a masters.

Well if you can't remember football - do you remember the Big Streak?

Poking fun is fine and you are correct about George and Hershel not scoring!

null


I differentiate between best player and best RB

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Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:09 PM
 

1. Terry Allen
2. Raymond Priester
3. Ronald Williams
4. Terrance Flagler
5. Andre Ellington
6. CJ Spiller
7. JD
8. Reggie merriweather

CJ Spiller was a top 3 player, but not running back.


Re: I differentiate between best player and best RB


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:15 PM
 

So you'd start those 3 guys at RB over CJ Spiller because they're more one-dimensional, slower, and better fit your view as what a "true" RB should be?


Sorry, I guess I need to break it down for you


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:14 PM
 

A running back is just that. Who is the guy I want in my backfield grinding tough yards and punishing the other team. CJ was not the best a this. CJ is the guy I want returning kicks, running wheel routes, and taking hand-offs in the 4th quarter when the other team is gassed. There is a big difference.


So, if you have every position filled except for RB...


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:42 PM
 

...you'd take those guys over CJ?


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:11 PM
 

Pretty good. I would flip 1 and 2.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:14 PM
 

Banks McFadden 1939
Fred Cone 1950
Joel Wells 1957


TRAVIS ZACHERY where is he? he's def top 5***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:23 PM
 




Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 1:41 PM
 

I really would love to hear your explanation of why you rank Andre Ellington ahead of CJ.

Maybe if Ellington is in the Heisman talk after his Senior season they could be comparable, but at this point in Ellington's career, there is no comparison.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 2:01 PM
 

Back in the long ago days of Frank Howard, Clemson once had a running back by the name
of Ray Yauger and he was pretty dang good too.
Even though the other teams knew what was coming, he picked up lot of yardage. But no
one ever seems to remember him. Maybe not top 10, but he's up there.


I still cannot believe TB pulled Merriweather on that last


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 2:08 PM
 

drive in the usuck game.


Wasn't Chad Jasmin a FB?


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 2:27 PM
 

I'd put Zachary in there, and take Chad out- if for no other reason than he was the FB and Coleman was the RB the year of 63-17.


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 3:30 PM
 

Ronald Williams has got to be in the top 10.


My Top 10 would be

Terry Allen
CJ Spiller
Raymond Priester
Kenny Flowers
Ronald Williams
Terrance Flagler
Kevin Mack
James Davis
Andre Ellington
Joe Henderson

Ellington could move up if he has another year next year like he had this year. But for my money, Allen, Spiller and Priester were the best 3 in my memory (granted that only goes back to the early 80s).


Ray Yauger***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:08 PM
 




Forgot Ronald Williams....


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:30 PM
 

But I am a homer from 96:)


Amen!


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:41 PM
 

Nm


Re: My top ten RBs. Buddy Gore.***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:31 PM
 




Re: My top ten RBs. Buddy Gore.***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:35 PM
 

Buddy Gore was great


Re: My top ten RBs ever to play at Clemson


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 5:37 PM
 

hard to rank them. You have to also consider guys like Banks McFadden and Fred Cone, as well as Ronald Williams (who probably would've been even better if he had gotten to play under Ford instead of Hatfield)


Ronald f'ing Williams fool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 8:37 PM
 




Woodrow Dantzler?***


Posted: Jan 23, 2012 9:07 PM
 




Excellent List


Posted: Jan 24, 2012 12:21 AM
 

but for those who give thanks for Clemson backs of the far yesteryear - Bobby Gage, Fred Cone and Joel Wells were pretty good,


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