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Some of you need to face the facts: 2.0. If you only care...
Feb 17, 2010, 10:23 AM
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about Clemson sports, namely football, then you don't really care about what Clemson really is. Clemson sports are an amazing thing to behold, but they are only a part of what makes Clemson the even more amazing thing it represents.
If you don't get that, then I don't want you screwing with my university. Just go to football/basketball games and leave the school alone for those of us who want Clemson to be the best institution it can be.
Clemson has enough problems overcoming the terrible financial support it gets from being located in the state of South Carolina, the last thing it needs is part of its own family trying to drag the school down for selfish, emotional reasons.
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Feb 17, 2010, 10:33 AM
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Without football.......Clemson is a scenic school by a lake
Feb 17, 2010, 10:38 AM
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Clemson is what it is because of their football program/atomosphere/history
Clemson sports is only a part of Clemson University, but so is wings of a plane
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I disagree with this line completely
Feb 17, 2010, 10:45 AM
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"Clemson is what it is because of their football program/atomosphere/history"
Clemson is what it is because of its location, its charter, its military heritage, its people, its teachers, its faculty, its donors, its students, and its mission.
Footbal is a cool thing. Its a great thing at Clemson, and no doubt it has had an impact on Clemson. But it is by no means the wings on the plane. It may be the paint job, but the plane will still fly without it.
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No one would know about Clemson w/out football, sorry.***
Feb 17, 2010, 10:51 AM
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Yeah, but that'd be their loss. ******
Feb 17, 2010, 10:55 AM
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it's not if their school has football/sports***
Feb 17, 2010, 10:57 AM
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Yes. You think Clemson is a football program. I get it. *****
Feb 17, 2010, 11:02 AM
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No i think clemson would be nothing w/o sports
Feb 17, 2010, 11:09 AM
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we wouldn't be on the internet discussing this if it wasn't for clemson sports
I know FOR A FACT that i (and ALL my friends that went to clemson) wouldn't have gone to clemson had it not been for them having sports (football really)
and any rational fan would realize that and wouldn't even be a fan if sports didn't exist at clemson.
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"Clemson would be nothing w/o sports"
Feb 17, 2010, 11:11 AM
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Wow, thats quite a statement.
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I grew up a Clemson fan my whole life and wanted to go there
Feb 17, 2010, 11:18 AM
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my whole life. I graduated in 2008 from Clemson. If Clemson hadn't had sports (football the key one), then I wouldn't have gone to Clemson. This doesn't mean I'm not proud of my degree and my education. It just means that sports are very attractive to prospective students. And without sports, I would not have grown up coming to Clemson's campus my whole life. I also would not have been a fan of Clemson's without sports.
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fair enough
Feb 17, 2010, 11:24 AM
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No doubt there are folks as yourself who do so. However, I also grew up hearing all about how Clemson was an Awesome place fomr my father. Sure part of my interest was piqued by attedning games, but it was the stories of the school he attended, the opportunities Clemson gave him, and the man he became partly due to Clemson that made me want to attend Clemson.
The flip side of your story is I ran across a bunch of students who wanted to come to Clemson because of the academic opportunity, the spirit of the school (which to them was nothig athletic), and other intangibles which weren't athletically driven.
As I said before Athletics is a part of Clemson. However it is not the wings that fly the plane, and to think so (IMO is mistaking the cause for the effect.
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I also knew several people who came for academics...
Feb 17, 2010, 11:30 AM
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My dad went to Erskine and then went to Clemson for his Master's. So I didn't really have the stories or anything. What I had was going to Death Valley on fall Saturdays. That is what caught my interest and that is one of the main reasons why I chose Clemson. I know there are many people that choose Clemson just for academics, but there are also many who choose it because of athletics.
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they might have come for the academics.......
Feb 17, 2010, 11:34 AM
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and i know most of the exchange students come STRICTLY for academics and don't even know where death valley is
but MOST of those you knew that said they came for academics if asked would probably say they'd explore other avenues of education if clemson didn't have sports/football........georgia tech, Virginia,UNC etc....would be MORE appealing than clemson w/o sports
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Conjecture there
Feb 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
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We clearly disagree
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Feb 17, 2010, 11:44 AM
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Clemson has an extremely competitive graduate school
Feb 18, 2010, 9:35 AM
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and many of them don't care at all about football. I know a guy who just got a full ride at Yale for a PhD who is getting his masters at Clemson. He thinks what Barker is doing is great... because before Barker the department he is currently in NEVER placed people in Yale. Clemson's status in the academic community is on the steep incline and many sports only fans have no idea.
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yes, more specifically for CJ****
Feb 17, 2010, 2:02 PM
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Re: Less people would know
Feb 17, 2010, 11:02 AM
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without football clemson would be an Anderson or a Lander
without sports clemson would be a Greenville Tech or a Tri-County Tech
and that's not a slam to any of the mentioned schools (i actually went to anderson a year before transfering to clemson).....but yes by name it would still be "CLEMSON".......but it wouldn't really be "CLEMSON"
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Again, we simply disagree***
Feb 17, 2010, 11:06 AM
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ohhh bs pheebo... please.
Feb 17, 2010, 11:10 AM
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virginia tech is virginia tech not because of football. their football program sucked until 16 years ago, but i sure as he!! knew that their engineering program was very good.
clemson the same and many, many other universities.
it's education first and foremost no matter how loud you scream otherwise.
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i'm not talking about "good or bad" sports........
Feb 17, 2010, 11:12 AM
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I'm talking about clemson having ZERO sports at all (football especially)
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if zero sports existed schools would still be in the arms
Feb 17, 2010, 11:15 AM
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race they are today for federal and private industry research grants.
it brings a #### load more money to universities than sports.
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i agree.........w/o sports ANYWHERE it'd be like it was.....
Feb 17, 2010, 11:20 AM
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back in the 1800s when sports didn't matter
but this day and age sports DO matter. Hypothetically get rid of just clemson sports and see where the university goes compared to others that that do have them
UNLESS you are an IVY league school it'd be tough to compete w/ other universities and still be the size and "aww inspiring" school that clemson is (to me) today.
like i said most if not all wouldn't care anything about clemson if they had no sports
but yes the world would go on if clemson got rid of sports.............maybe 
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lol pheebs. no #### dude. firefighters, policemen,
Feb 17, 2010, 11:28 AM
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engineers, doctors, astronauts used to be childhood heroes.
take sports away from bama, uf, usc[the real one] and you could say the same.
the world if effed up... take sports away from the 'world' and the world would go on and thrive, take the 'world' away from sports and poof...
it's mageec...
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But seriously, there is a HUGE distance between
Feb 17, 2010, 11:18 AM
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"take away all sports" and "Clemson is a football program first and everything else second."
Almost all schools have athletic programs. Those of us who want to keep them in the proper perspective relative to academics don't want sports to go away. We all love Clemson football and yes, that's why we chat on this board.
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yes there is a big difference........but you take away just
Feb 17, 2010, 11:26 AM
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football and the school will be DRASTICALLY impacted.....DRASTICALLY!!!
would clemson disappear?....no, but it would LOSE a ton........including MANY, MANY, MANY, MANY fans
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Okay, but you should really stick to one argument.
Feb 17, 2010, 11:36 AM
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The original poster wasn't calling for abolishing all sports...or any sports. So why are you making the issue?
I'm pretty sure that all Clemson fans, nearly all Clemson students and alumni, and the administration all agree that Clemson sports are a big part of Clemson. It's just a call to keep things in their proper perspective.
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Re: Okay, but you should really stick to one argument.
Feb 17, 2010, 11:43 AM
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the original poster talked about how sports is just a part of what makes clemson amazing
my point is that w/o sports it wouldn't be very "amazing"
and w/o sports it wouldn't be "our university"
I and most graduates wouldn't have a degree from clemson if they didn't have sports........b/c we wouldn't have gone there in the first place
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You can use that argument for almost every university***
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how much did the AD clear in 2009?***
Feb 17, 2010, 11:16 AM
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waiting...***
Feb 17, 2010, 11:31 AM
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Re: time magazine disagrees.***
Feb 17, 2010, 2:27 PM
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what?
head scratching......
notsureifserious
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Bcause recognition visability from football lead the way!***
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Re: That's wrong, I didn't know a thing about Clemson football
Feb 17, 2010, 2:28 PM
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dude...
that MAY be the case but I promise you, you are by far and away in the minority on this one..
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Oculus Spirit [81991]
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You have to leave the state of South Carolina once in a
Feb 17, 2010, 7:20 PM
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while. I had to tell people where Clemson was whenever I went...
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If ur soccer crazy then you'd know CU is well known in the
Feb 18, 2010, 10:34 AM
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midwest because of soccer.
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i know you can't do this and will never happen...
Feb 17, 2010, 10:52 AM
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thank goodness
but
take away sports from clemson and see where it goes
step away from the "mushy" poetic things that portrays all things clemson......and think about clemson without sports (football especially)
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It would have an impact, no doubt.
Feb 17, 2010, 10:57 AM
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But thats not my argument.
I believe its a part of the school. I just don't believe that it is what MAKES the school what it is.
We disagree, and thats fine.
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without Clemson football the entire upstate economy
Feb 17, 2010, 10:49 AM
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would be impacted.
I dont disagree with anything youve stated about being the best institution we can; however, Clemson Football means more to the University and the surround area than just a sport. Imagine the upstate economy without the football games ...
Ya know .... it is possible to have our cake and eat it to ..... Florida and UGA do it every every
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impacted yes, but clemson football has not created the jobs
Feb 17, 2010, 10:55 AM
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households that the county planning commission has.
the county has grown 50% since clemson's last acc title, so...
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Guess what...
Feb 17, 2010, 11:01 AM
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Clemson isn't Florida or Georgia. Stop comparing Clemson to schools that are nearly twice its size and with significantly larger budgets. Lots of 1AA schools are larger than Clemson. Just because Clemson has an "SEC-caliber" football stadium doesn't make it an SEC school.
Last time I checked, Thomas Clemson's will doesn't mention athletics.
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Re: Guess what...
Feb 17, 2010, 2:30 PM
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you are a DA?
that was my guess
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I agree...
Feb 17, 2010, 10:57 AM
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If someone does not care about the University as a whole and understand that the athletes represent a institution of higher learning, then they are better off to go cheer for a professional team. For professional sports it is all about winning.
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go raidas***
Feb 17, 2010, 10:57 AM
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Football, the wings of the plane. Lol
Feb 17, 2010, 10:59 AM
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There would be no football without the educational side. Yeah, Clemson wouldnt be as known without football, but yall do need to remember we are talking about a SCHOOL.
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no they don't hawg.***
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Who are you to come on here and say that YOUR way is the
Feb 17, 2010, 11:28 AM
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only way to love Clemson. You are way out of line. Your opinion is important but not total. I love Clemson too. ACC not so much. \
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agreed. I didn't know there was a protocol for.........
Feb 17, 2010, 12:40 PM
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all of our emotions. I thought I was free to love Clemson any way I wish.
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I didn't mean to make it sound as if I thought there was a..
Feb 18, 2010, 9:24 AM
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protocol for loving Clemson. What I meant to get across was "If you only care about football, then go to the games and keep your nose out of academics."
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and...
Feb 18, 2010, 9:31 AM
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that you (anyone who fits the description in the previous post) don't get what Clemson is all about. Sports is just the most flashy product of the Clemson spirit, and I love it dearly. But I feel bad for those who don't get to feel the entirety of what it means to be a part of the Clemson family. It goes far beyond sports. I think many of the fair weather/ NFL-type fans are such because they simply don't get it. Sucks for them.
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Re: Some of you need to face the facts: 2.0. If you only care...
Feb 17, 2010, 11:32 AM
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Sports gets your attention Clemson wins your heart.
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Hello, short-sighted people...it is actually possible to
Feb 17, 2010, 1:19 PM
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have a superior academic and research institution while also having a great football program. Football is what first introduced me to Clemson and is one of the biggest draws for me to go there -- twice -- for two degrees.
Sports doesn't take away ANYTHING from the academic aspects of the university nor its funding!!! In fact, sports is an addition. And there is NO WAY that the academic side could afford to buy the publicity/advertising that the football team provides.
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That's a sweet fantasy really
Feb 17, 2010, 2:19 PM
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but truth be told, the University doesn't survive as it is without football.
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What did I say that disagrees with that?
Feb 18, 2010, 9:22 AM
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What fantasy are you talking about? Considering the reverse had much larger implications, I don't think your point detracts from mine.
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