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Trying to sort out the Committee’s viewing of


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:34 AM
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the bubble is tough....
So after leaving out NC State and Clemson from their bubble I thought it was about quadrant 1 wins, as neither team had a ton of them, instead of NET. After further examination that proved to be not true because they also left out Texas who had 5 Quadrant 1 wins. What i don’t get is why the committee spends time making a metric if their not going to use it come March. The last 4 teams in all had much worse rankings in NET than either Clemson or NC State.
Belmont: 47 NET
Temple: 56 NET
Arizona State: 63 NET
St. John’s: 73 NET
Clemson: 35 NET
NC State: 33 NET
I understand we didn’t do enough to get in, but i’m not sure any of the teams in Dayton did enough either, would someone please tell me what i’m missing?


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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:58 AM
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Like many casual female observers, the committee filled out their bracket by which mascot they like the best.

Since it's 2019 there was a push to be PC.

Tigers and wolves are too aggressive so they went with some more cuddly mascots like owls and such.

Arizona St is in because there were several Christian schools placed in the tournament and they wanted to appear accepting of all religious choices.

Beyond that I'm not sure you could find basketball reasons for their choices.

Maybe it was uniform colors and they were afraid Clemson would choose to wear those horrific grey uniforms that we can't ever win with.


You are missing the human factor


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:07 AM
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Use metrics when it serves your purpose
Eye test when it doesn't


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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:15 AM
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They pick and it is what it is. I devote no time to it or the metrics. We make it or we dont. I pull for us either way. It is pretty clear Fridays game didnt mean much for and apparently the one in Raleigh did either. They certainly did nothing for NC St

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If we win one more game, I think we'd have been in.


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 1:16 PM
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Any of the 6 1 or 2 point loss games and i think we'd have gotten in.

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The committee and the media loves the mid majors***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:18 AM
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Re: The committee and the media loves the mid majors***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:20 AM
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but not UNCG.

They even pick and choose which mid majors to like randomly.


Re: The committee and the media loves the mid majors***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:28 AM
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This: The Socon was stacked, likely better than the PAC12.

The committee decided that they needed more Big East, American, and that sweet, sweet PAC disappointment.


SoCon teams aren't really considered Mid Majors.***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:45 AM
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Re: SoCon teams aren't really considered Mid Majors.***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:58 AM
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Basically any high-performing non-power conference schools can/are considered mid-majors, especially if they have a run of successful years.

I can understand that if you want to be specific about conference (say A10, American) as mid-major conference I could respect that that but Wofford would be a definite mid-major team. They are definitely one of the best non-power conference schools. I could also understand if you want to toss out the weaker conferences (say Big South or NEC) I could understand that but then you would have to ignore Winthrop at times.

In basketball, mid-major is just a non-power conference school that heavily invests in Basketball but does not have a standing "history" like the Georgetowns or Gonzagas. VCU looks to be making a transition from "mid-major" to a power program even if the conference is still not a P5 group.


It's a "beauty contest", and we didn't pass the "eye test."***

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Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:40 AM
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Re: It's a "beauty contest", and we didn't pass the "eye test."***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 12:07 PM
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That's exactly what it was. The committee completely ignored ALL of the metrics in favor of quad 1 wins and SOS. They should just go back to the RPI if all they're going to do is use an absurdly inconsistent "eye test" every year.

With that said, if we beat NC State we're probably in this tournament, so I'm not all that mad about being left out. I honestly feel way worse for the players at NC State. They absolutely should have been in the tournament. They got left out due to SOS and Q1 wins, but every metric that is supposedly used by the committee had them as far more deserving than the other bubble teams.


Re: It's a "beauty contest", and we didn't pass the "eye test."***


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 12:39 PM
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I feel for NC State, TCU, Texas, UNCG, etc..too...it's inexplicable to me that St. John's is in the field. That, more than anything, shows that it's all about the eye test and that all the "metrics" are just lipservice. At the end of the day, the committee, subjectively, is going to put teams into the field. The Johnnies (who lost to lowly DePaul TWICE, were beaten by 30 in their only "big" nonconference game, got beaten by 30 in their conference tournament, and have a NET ranking in the 70s) are the least deserving team in the history of the NCAA Tournament based on "metrics."


Clemson losing every single close game they played this season and utterly choking the game away against NC State makes it hard to be upset at the snub, but I can't fathom how St. John's is more deserving.


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