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If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:01 AM
 

announcing his visits, I'm saying, "Thanks but no thanks."

Not saying anything bad about the kid because I know next to nothing about him. But, this pattern of behavior is troubling for any potential team that lands him.

What happens when he's not happy at his next landing spot? Does his lawyer develop a new "narrative" as his reason for leaving?

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Re: If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:03 AM
 

If thats how its played imagine being Fruhmorgan or one of these other multi school transfer kids lawyer. You'd be swamped. Of course where does a kid in school "get money" to pay for those fees.

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Re: If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:08 AM
 

It's not like the lawyer was building a criminal or civil case and spending long hours on this. He probably got paid a few hundred dollars to write a letter.


And of course if he was a

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:12 AM
 

closet coot, he would it cooty non-gradis

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Re: ok this needs to go in the tnet dictionary

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:50 AM
 

nm

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Yeah, this is a complete non-issue


Posted: May 23, 2018 10:54 AM
 

Instead of potentially announcing it in an unprofessional (and possibly damaging) manner, he was smart and hired someone to write it cleanly.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that at all to me.

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:07 AM
 




Re: If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer


Posted: May 23, 2018 10:58 AM
 

The lawyer has NCAA violations written all over him

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Re: If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer

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Posted: May 23, 2018 10:59 AM
 

If you couldn’t handle shady recruits, you wouldn’t make it as a D1 coach.

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Disagree

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Posted: May 23, 2018 11:23 AM
 

The kid hires a lawyer to get himself out of a binding obligation by creating a narrative about a sick family member. That in and of itself is a bad precedent to be setting. But, if the issue is resolved, he did get his unconditional release, then why does he still need the lawyer? Lawyers aren't free.

By retaining the lawyer and having him involved in the ongoing recruitment you are stating that if I'm not happy at my next school, I already have a lawyer happy to do what it takes to get me released. In other words, the kid is saying to his next coach, I will be in charge of how things go and if you don't like that you will hear from my lawyer.

A second possibility is the kid and the lawyer already know there are some sticky NCAA issues that are going to come up and the lawyer is necessary to navigate those issues. Either way as a coach, I want no part.

I know you are viewing this as a win for USC but it is a very bad precedent for college football. If it is bad for college football, it will eventually be bad for USC, you can count on it.

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Re: Disagree


Posted: May 23, 2018 11:34 AM
 

I’m not counting it as anything because I thought the kid was overrated in high school is probably a bust anyway.

I just don’t share your same concerns this is going to ruin college football. Considering these kids are already getting paid under the table this falls pretty low on the list of things damaging college football.

What are you wanting to do? Hold the kid hostage because he doesn’t want to play at your school? His lawyer is irrelevant to me. If he comes to USC and in six months decides he wants to go somewhere else, let him go.

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Ok, so let's play this out


Posted: May 23, 2018 11:46 AM
 

Once these kids that already believe they are superstars get somewhere and realize they are going to have to work for it to be the superstar so they want to find someplace where it will be easy. So five or so recruits decide they should be able to leave without penalty and go where they want.

Choices have consequences. You made a commitment and as a result a school made a commitment to you. Then these five guys decide they want out. Now the school is down five players they can't regain until the next recruiting cycle.

I have no problem with a kid wanting to leave. What I have a problem with is utilizing a lawyer to leverage a story to wipe away the consequences of your actions. If the player in question had gone to Dabo and said, "Look this is not what I thought, I made a mistake and want to transfer. However, I realize I made a commitment to you and you made one to me and breaking that costs you something. So I realize that there will be conditions placed on my release." In that scenario the kid is taking some responsibility. In the current one he is taking none.

This is why coaches accross college football are against the NCAA allowing unrestricted transfering.

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I can't agree


Posted: May 23, 2018 12:00 PM
 

1st.. Belk lawyer only sent a notice
Dabo didn't have to do anything, he could simply tell the lawyer to pound sand. Stop thinking a million dollar coach is the victim in this situation. Stop thinking dabo was forced into anything. If dabo can simply let this kid move on, we should be able to.

If your son ended up at a school , was miserable, stuck it or for a semester and still wanted to leave, would you force him to? Would you force him to stay at a place he wasnt happy? Force him to spend those glorious college years in misery?

Or, would you do everything you could to get him some where else?

Belk came in. Practiced, Went to school , followed the rules, and did every thing he was supposed to do. He still wasn't happy
He spent a semester at school.


If he violated some rule, report it to the ncca.


Re: Ok, so let's play this out


Posted: May 23, 2018 12:39 PM
 

You’re looking at this from a very one sided perspective.

You’re looking to punish a kid for making a bad decision when he’s likely 17 or 18 years old. Yeah it sucks for the coaches but they’re the adults in the situation that are making promises and pressuring kids to commit to their schools.

Maybe the kid just didn’t like living in Clemson. Maybe the coaches misled him. Maybe he just wants to make another mistake.

He shouldn’t be punished for that.

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Re: If I'm a head coach and a prospect has a lawyer

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Posted: May 23, 2018 11:27 AM
 

So you know "next to nothing about this kid," but his "pattern of behavior" should be troubling to other teams? Because he had a lawyer write a letter for him? And why shouldn't a kid be able to leave a place where he's not happy? Do you just stay in places that make you unhappy? Please don't take this personally, but that seems pretty stupid.

Knowing that I pull for the same team that you do makes me sad.


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Posted: May 23, 2018 11:28 AM
 



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You didn't answer his question..


Posted: May 23, 2018 12:25 PM
 

Coaches get paid millions to honor their commitments. They get paid to be where they are.
.and they can up and leave whenever.

These are just kids...most end up quite content at the school they choose.

Few dont. I really don't see this being as common as you do.


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Posted: May 23, 2018 11:32 AM
 

we're talking the University of South Carolina here.


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