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Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 7:57 PM
 

 
Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

Robbie Caldwell and Joey Batson have both been rumored to be a part of a staff shakeup at Clemson. Full Story »


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Caldwell was one of our best hires, he just needs some

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 7:59 PM
 

players to work with

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I've actually seen our offensive line look better in the

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:43 PM
 

last two games than it has looked in years. Good running vs VT in the ACCCG and really in the Orange Bowl until everything got crazy and all gameplans were out the window.


Getting away from zone blocking schemes should


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:56 PM
 

improve our line play. Period. Cadwell has had good lines everywhere he has ever been. With a lot less talent than he has now. I believe that Cadwell doesn't really care for zone blocking.

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Caldwell basically refined zone blocking in the college game


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 10:00 PM
 

he's coached it everywhere he's been


ok


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 10:04 PM
 

That may explain the supposed rift.....that is being denied. None the less.....I think we improve

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Batson is the best coach on the staff***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:01 PM
 




Is this a joke?***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:04 PM
 




I think our kids actually get weaker once on campus.***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:05 PM
 




That is stupid***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:11 PM
 




Like your response.***

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Ok***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:12 PM
 




Daredevil


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 10:39 AM
 

everyone here knows you're bias and you favor Batson and that great but the fact of the matter is, Clemson players are by far too weak up front and they show almost no fight against adversity. You can sit here and tell us how much player bench and how Batson used chains and bands.....big deal i did the same thing in the military and when playing JUCO ball..and just because you push or pull weight doesn't make you strong, intense, fight and take pride in what you do while on the field...Clemson gets man handled by smaller and more fit players year in and year out.

Clemson has tried every other method for success on the football field BUT to move/fire Batson. its time for a change and if that change doesnt work so be it but Clemson football wont know untill they make the move...i am all for the move towards the future. and its a shame Joey’s uncle is Louis Batson, former BOT Chairman and current trustee; so we all know he will never be moved.


They get weaker as the season goes...No doubt about that...***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:24 PM
 




They certainly don't gain strength at the rate of schools

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:37 PM
 

like USCe, FSU, UGA, Bama, etc.


or Maryland,NCSU,UNC,UVA,BC or even WFU..***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:42 PM
 




Exactly. It can be seen.***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 11:04 PM
 




Mrs. Batson?***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:11 PM
 




Best coach on staff whose uncle is on the board of trustees.***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:13 PM
 




Re: Best coach on staff whose uncle is on the board of trustees.***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:24 PM
 

Agree, tell that to Mrs. T_I_P


You got to be kidding.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:41 PM
 

Batson is the one constant since we became one of the softest programs in d1 football. If he stays you can pretty much expect the same thing for years to come.


Re: Best coach on staff whose uncle is on the board of trustees.***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 10:06 PM
 

His uncle is not Louis Batson. wrong family.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:23 PM
 




they work hard for their scholarship***


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Re: Batson is the best coach on the staff***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:30 PM
 

Only your mouth says that b/c, S&C of our players certainly don't:)

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Re: Batson is the best coach on the staff***


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 10:14 AM
 

Is he your daddy or something. Any objective viewer knows that we have one of the worst S&C programs in the NCAA. We have 330lb O linemen getting pushed around by Wofford...and they get worse as the season goes on.


It's not as much S&C as it is defensive ATTITUDE!!!!


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:10 PM
 

Tiger D needs to get pi$$ed!! Actually, our entire team could use some attitude!!


This link indicates the soft, quitter attitude you mention.


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:20 PM
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaEPIn_yZs0


Too bad he is referencing the Offense...not the Defense...***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:25 PM
 




wrong***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:44 PM
 




Nope...The interviewee played on defense and he clearly


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 10:54 PM
 

stated that the Offense is who made the "quitter"comments...I don't know what you listened to...


No. @ 0:18, reporter says he heard the CU D asked for mercy


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 12:57 AM
 

... and he asked the WVU defensive player if he heard that. The WVU defensive player said no, but the Clemson offensive players were asking the WVU defense for mercy. So, unless the reporter was making it up (which is possible), apparently both Clemson's offense and defense were asking WVU for mercy. I believe it.

The ironic thing is that after the ACCCG, Dabo launched his "quitter" tirade, apparently at the fans. Maybe he should get his players onboard first before whining at the fans.


You yourself said the WVU player said no..Any and ALL quotes


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 1:34 AM
 

about Clemson players quitting came from the WVU Defense...I don't care what the reporter said he "heard"...Anything bracketed by these"" were about the Offense quitting...And there is nothing ironic about blaming Dabo...


Well of course the WVU D player wouldn't hear CU's D players


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 2:02 AM
 

They're not on the field playing against each other.

It's pretty obvious to me that the reporter had just been interviewing the offensive players. I believe it, with 95% a confidence level, but I can't be 100% sure.

What's your percent confidence level?

It's ironic that Dabo complained that the fans are quitters when his team apparently quit.


I am 100 percent confident that if that reporter had heard


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 5:59 PM
 

actual quotes about CU defenders quitting, there would have been an actual quote bracketed by these""...THAT is pretty obvious to ME...The rest is just you stretching and spinning, with a Blame Dabo tossed in for good measure...


Re: It's not as much S&C as it is defensive ATTITUDE!!!!

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Posted: Jan 13, 2012 9:10 AM
 

If getting fired up and angry was all it took, every defense would be sniffing coke on the sidelines. Between series.

No, S&C has EVERYTHING to do with it. That's why we looked worse and worse throughout the year. With a good S&C program our guys will get stronger throughout the year and as a result, will be able to crush our competition. Just look at the comparisons of our players' weight gain vs that of LSU, Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, or Carolina. It's not even close: http://theavenueofchampions.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=1

Late season slumps happen for a reason. S&C is a big part of it.


Well, this is unfortunate (the Batson part)***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:15 PM
 




Is that source Batson?

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:19 PM
 

I mean, I know he's on here because he's posting in this thread.

Joey, you suck, and if your uncle wasn't protecting you, you'd be mowing the grass.


(on Batson staying) Worst news since hearing Napier was

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:21 PM
 

gonna be our OC when Dabo was hired...

DISGUSTING.

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Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:30 PM
 

I'm sorry Batson has got to get with the time or he has to go. Who do we need to talk to or protest to to make this happen.


Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:34 PM
 

Who ever has the source from T-net. Maybe they can tote that back.

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Certainly okay with Caldwell staying.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:40 PM
 

He'll be okay.

Batson is another story. The lack of physical toughness from our Tigers this past season was evident to anybody with 20/20 vision.

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Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:43 PM
 

Hope that it means Batson is getting reassigned to somewhere else in the AD so he can coast to state retirement otherwise it is pathetic.

Clemson has been soft for years, all under his watch.


I'd rather Steele stay:***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:43 PM
 




Re: I'd rather Steele stay:***

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:44 PM
 

Than BATSON that is...Caldwell, ok, but batson MUST go...or nothing else will matter.


I wouldn't go THAT far.


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 8:47 PM
 

But yeah, we to replace Batson, as well.

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Keep Batson for other sports and get some1 new for football.***


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:02 PM
 




Batson needs to go period!

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:19 PM
 

I'm perfectly fine with Caldwell staying, I think he needs time to develop the young players. He needs a strength and conditioning coach that can facilitate his philosophies and needs.


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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:26 PM
 

This is like a stab in the back, if correct. If Batson remains here, I will probably just say screw it. Nothing will ever change


Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:55 PM
 

Well, I am almost 43 years old. I have been a Clemson fan for practically my whole life. The past two decades have been pure ####.

The Clemson Administration KILLED Clemson football in 1990. During the period to follow, I have come back year-after-year hoping things will be different. I wanted tough, physical football in which the team played at its potential.

However, the past 15 years has seen a carousel of coaching firings and hirings, and nothing changes. I figured Herring being fired in 2001 would fix things. It didn't. Lovett got canned. Nothing changed. O'Cain followed. Mad Scientist Spence proved to be a failure.

Tommy Bowden FINALLY had to move on when he hit rock bottom. Koenning out would bring tough, aggressive defense, right? WRONG. Out goes Steele to give the masses hope, as Caldwell was going to do the same when Brad Ketchup Scott moved to a pie job. NOTHING CHANGES.

Now, the man I finally figured out was doing THE WORST JOB in the whole football department, JOEY BATSON, is remaining in his job. WHY? WHY? WHY?

His retention can be explained by two possible scenarios: Dabo/Admin is STUPID, or the Amdmin is protecting an incompetent doughnut. EITHER scenario demonstrates to me that NOTHING WILL EVER CHANGE.

If Dabo Swinney endorses Joey Batson tommorrow, I am FINISHED with Clemson. The team I have wished us to turn back into is now in Columbia, and the team/admin that used to be in Columbia is now at Clemson.

I will NEVER pull for South Carolina to win at anything. But I am darn sure not going to pull for a Clemson program that emulates what they used to be. The
"wait 'til next year" charade should have stayed in Columbia.

IF JOEY BATSON IS RETAINED AS STRENGTH COACH, TOMMORROW WILL BE THE DAY I AM NO LONGER A FAN OF CLEMSON UNIVERSITY. I feel that strongly about it. I know many will say "well don't let the door hit you." Fine. I won't. Yeah, I will simply be leaving a school that left me long ago.

Dabo, please do the right thing.


Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

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Posted: Jan 13, 2012 9:49 AM
 

So you're a quitter? Bye I'm sure you'll be missed


Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:31 PM
 

And Mr. Batson has help with the Board of Trustees.....only at Clemson...... He can not be allowed to stay, he has run his course. We need a younger guy that has a new and fresher mentality. Just ask the coots....they hired a new S&C guy 3 years ago and have destroyed us on the LOS since...


Maybe their names just being mentioned in this article will


Posted: Jan 12, 2012 9:43 PM
 

bring about some changes. Who knows?

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Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 10:06 PM
 

Batson needs to go in order for Clemson to develope into a consistant title contender. Read the articles on Avenue of Champions and you will want the guy gone tomorrow.The evidence of his ineptitude are overwelming. I pray Dabo sees the problem and has the clout to remove a guy with ties to the Board of Trustees. I have sent my emails to Board members, Iptay and President Barker. The Strenght and Conditioning Coach may be the single most important hire on Dabo's staff. Look what SC has done with thier new S&C hire. They are kicking our ### with sculpted studs. Every day Batson is allowed to stay we will fall further behind.


If Bastson stays, we are screwed.

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Posted: Jan 12, 2012 11:19 PM
 

You can count on another loss to the coots, that is for sure. ######, dabo, cut the dead weight.


Caldwell... cool...


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 7:50 AM
 

Batson? ######.
>:-/


I knew Batson wasn't going anywhere


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 8:38 AM
 

the minute I realized who his uncle is. He'll be here as long as he likes. The old saying "I'd rather be lucky than good" certainly applies here. He's lucky his name is Batson and not Steele or Napier. (I'm not saying they should still be here, but they might be if they were "connected") On the other hand, I think Caldwell deserves more time.


Re: Front Page Story: Source: Caldwell and Batson staying put


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 9:18 AM
 

I agree with the general notion that Caldwell is good and just needs a little more time and that Batson absolutely, positively, must go.

I'm sure you guys have probably seen the stats, but here they are again just to see it again:
http://theavenueofchampions.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2012-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&updated-max=2013-01-01T00:00:00-05:00&max-results=1

There's zero excuse for this. Zero. He needs to go, and he needed to go yesterday.


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Re: I think it's finally time to replace the paw as our logo***


Posted: Jan 13, 2012 9:39 AM
 

Exactly. Until we get a new S&C coach, we're going to be the Soft Butthole Bears.


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Posted: Jan 13, 2012 10:44 AM
 






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