Clemson students not standing

> Not surprised at all... Clemson has become like most
> institutions being permeated by academic thought
> regarding PC principles. Even during my time in the
> early 80's you could easily assess which professors
> had an agenda. I was excited when both my boys chose
> to attend The Citadel because I did assume the
> overall atmosphere would be conservative. Even
> there, liberal thinking was present.
>
> I am extremely conservative and I don't really agree
> with any liberal thinking however, I wouldn't care to
> silence liberal thought because I know all of us are
> created with individual thought and circumstances in
> life. I do have problems with dishonoring a country
> where men, women of all race have served and
> sacrificed for the country and flag. You will notice
> very few liberals standing up for the country and all
> it represents. If you know of one, please advise.

Isn't shaming people for speaking their minds a sort of PC enforcement?

I am a liberal and I love my country because it is free.

I'm always stunned by people that think being patriotic includes shaming those they disagree with.

They seem to think that 'freedom' means towing the patriotic line. It's baffling to me.

I think it an incredible example of intellectual calisthenics to portray the protests about police abuse as somehow a slight against the flag. It's an easy way to not deal with the issue that they're raising.

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Total and Utter BS....Liberals who served:

Sep 29, 2017, 5:52 PM [ in reply to Re: Clemson students not standing ]

Former VP Al Gore enlisted in the military when he could have avoided it and volunteered for a tour of Vietnam to prevent some poor kid from going in his place. He did this even though his father was one of the most prominent anti-Vietnam war senators at the time.

Former Sen. Minority Leader Tom Daschle was a Lt. in the U.S. Air Force from 1969-1972.

Sen. Daniel Inouye (D-HI) a very high ranking Democrat, served in the U.S. Army when his family was interred in U.S. concentration camps for citizens of Japanese ancestry. He lost an arm and earned the Medal of Honor.

Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), presidential candidate in ’04 (although not my first choice), was a Lt. in the U.S. Navy from 1966 to 1970, going to Vietnam and earning 3 Purple Hearts, a bronze star with combat V and a silver star for valor. Then, and in my view, this was just as courageous and patriotic if not more so, he testified before Congress in the Winter Soldier hearings, helping to end the Vietnam War and helping to create Vietnam Veterans Against the War. (It’s too bad that he was so hawkish in his ’04 campaign.) Chickenhawks smeared his record in the ’04 campaign.

Former Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA), lost both legs and one arm serving in Vietnam. He lost reelection when Republican Chickenhawks, led by former Christian Coalition leader Ralph Reed, smeared his record and tried to claim that he was unpatriotic. !!!

Former Presidential Candidate (and still a political activist) General Wesley Clark: Had a 38 year career of public service in the Army culminating in being the Supreme Commander of NATO. (He was a prominent critic of the Iraq invasion and occupation.)

Former Democratic President John F. Kennedy was highly decorated during WWII. As was former Sen. and presidential candidate Bobby Kennedy. Whatever else one could say about Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-MA), served in the Army in 1951-1953 and was in the Korean War.

Former Pres. Jimmy Carter, a graduate of the U.S. Naval Academy at Annapolis, was commissioned an Ensign in 1947 just as WWII ended. He spent 7 years in the Navy helping to create the nuclear submarine fleet and becoming a nuclear engineer.

Former VP Walter Mondale, served in the U.S. Army from 1951-1953, including a tour in the Korean war.

Former Sen. and Presidential candidate, George McGovern, a famous liberal politician, was in the Army Air Force in WWII and earned the Silver Star for valor.

And then we have Conservatives who DID NOT:
Vice President Richard B. Cheney had several deferments, none for medical reasons such as his later poor health. He infamously said that he “had other priorities.”

Former Atty. Gen. John Ashcroft did not serve–received 7 deferments to teach business ed. at Southwest Missouri State University.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush did not serve, receiving a deferment during Vietnam.

“Bush’s Brain” Karl Rove, did not serve, receiving several deferments so that he could plan future wars and GOP “permanent majority.”

Former Sen. Phil Gramm, did not serve, received several deferments.

Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich did not serve, avoided the draft with several deferments.

Former U.S. President Ronald Reagan, a major hawk, avoided combat during World War II by making training films for the army while remaining in California. Later, he seemed several times to have confused his movie role as a tailgunner with the real thing.

President George W. Bush used his father’s influence to get into the Air National Guard in order to avoid going to Vietnam, though he loudly proposed using nuclear weapons on the North Vietnamese. He was failed to finish his 6 year term in the Air National Guard, serving only 4 years. For some reason, “W” still insists that he “has seen war.” Maybe on TV, but that’s all.

And the Conservatives who DID:

Not all big-league Republicans have been chickenhawks, of course. Former Sen. Bob Dole, one time Pres. candidate, for instance, served honorably in WWII. Dole was permanently injured and earned several medals. Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NB), earned two purple hearts and a bronze star in Vietnam. Sen. John McCain (R-UT), was, of course captured in Vietnam and spent several years as a prisoner of war. In the 2000 presidential race, the Bush campaign smeared McCain’s reputation (was this practice for the later hatchet jobs to be done on Democrats Max Cleland, John Kerry, and others?) by claiming that he did dishonorable things in Vietnam, but he was defended by several prominent Democrats.

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Very sorry to hear your boys

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maybe the grandkids can try Pyongyang

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Your post wasn't simply about the flag

PC thought isn't the worst thing imaginable.

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You can drop and give me 20 son !***

Seedman is right, but I'm thankful Clemson

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Prejudice & self righteous? Both liberals & conservatives ..

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Total and Utter BS....Liberals who served:

P+R board is that way ------------------->

when you created an account for the sole purpose of

This Thread makes my head hurt***

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Wow your first post ...

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Gee, a peaceful protest...

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Thank you Demitri

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