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Article in post and courier this morning

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:39 AM
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Did anyone read the article in the post and courier this morning suggesting Tanner muse is a dirty player because of the targeting vs Louisville? Made me so frustrated i had to create an account to post about it


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:42 AM
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No...post the link.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:43 AM
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Sorry should have included that in the original post

http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/is-clemson-safety-tanner-muse-too-reckless-on-the-field/article_0369692c-9efd-11e7-bd50-2fada0c26482.html


I've watched Tanner a good bit...a tough hard hitter in the


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:51 AM
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mold of Ben Boulware but dirty??? No way...they're just looking for something about Clemson that they can complain about...jealousy is strong with those folks


Re: Article in post and courier this morning- if he seeswhat

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:02 AM
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he hits he isnt using the crown and there is no problem even as the guy falls. I doget intrigued how our guys take shots in the head several times a game and it is never called but iof we tap someone - flag


Re: Article in post and courier this morning- if he seeswhat


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 1:19 PM
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In fairness, Dabo said twice on Packer's show yesterday that the call was correct. But I'm with you that we never seem to get targeting called on other teams when they target our players.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:33 AM
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What a joke! In every game Clemson gets called for targeting a Clemson player is targeted and no call. 14 ##### game Stephens got a targeting call for a mere touch when he could not hold up. A chicken helmeted DW at full speed on his touchdown. Nothing. Tanner hit Lamar after he ducked his head. No injury. Jam it P&C!


Terrible article....

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:42 AM
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she made it sounds like there are several around college football questioning Muse's intentions. Talk about FAKE NEWS


Articles like THIS are why there is less and less trust in

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:49 AM
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the news media and why the term FAKE NEWS has been coined.

In his playing career(He did play last year)he has had ONE targeting call. He has had ONE personal foul for a late hit out of bounds that was total crap, should not have been called. So her conclusion based of two penalties is that a player is reckless. She also sites "people around the country" questioning his play, yet she names nobody. Lazy, lazy journalism...but she is a UNC grad, so she probably never went to class anyways.

"When I die, I want to go peacefully like my Grandfather did, in his sleep -- not screaming, like the passengers in his car."

"I don't suffer from insanity. I enjoy every minute of it."


Fake News was coined for false stories being widely spread...

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:52 AM
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and believed by some in the previous election cycle. Russian intelligence played a large role in getting false news stories promoted


Re: Fake News was coined for false stories being widely spread...

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:21 PM
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.

"IDIOT POSTER OF THE MONTH SO FAR...GWP-- You have won IPM Award for your failure to completely comprehend a clear post & then choose to attack someone who points out your ignorance. While you are not yet in the same No Class Catagory as deRoberts, ClemTiger117 & Tigerdug23, you are getting closer to the Sewer Dwellers." - coachmac


Link

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:42 AM
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http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/is-clemson-safety-tanner-muse-too-reckless-on-the-field/article_0369692c-9efd-11e7-bd50-2fada0c26482.html


Link


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:43 AM
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Link Please


I read it this morning - total thing is BS

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:44 AM
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Title of article is "Is Tanner Muse DIRTY?!?" With a bunch of pundits all saying no. ### is the point in an article like that.


She must have changed it to "reckless", what I saw...


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:52 AM
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when I read it: "I don’t know Tanner at all. I’ve just seen him play. But I’ve never thought, ‘Oh, No. 19’s dirty’ or anything like that. I wouldn’t go that far."


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:47 AM
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I think "reckless" is not the correct term, but the guy plays like a psycho. I don't hate it and I'm not complaining at all, but I knew he'd get at least one targeting call on him this season because he just flies around out there.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:14 AM
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How about that dirty play by the 'Bama linebacker who tried to take off DW4's head in the Natty? Don't hear too much griping about that. Personally, I'm glad we have a psycho in the backfield to replace Boulware. Will make ball carriers think twice about roaming with their heads down. :)


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:26 AM
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^^this guy gets it. I'd rather Muse play "dirty" and within the rules than be a sissy.


Just more pussification of America. It is dadgum football.


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:30 AM
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Not ballet.


Re: Just more pussification of America. It is dadgum football.


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:58 PM
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I wouldn't call this play dirty, but these rules aren't in place because "America is becoming pu$$ies." The rule is there to protect the players as it has been proven that these head shots increase the chances of head and spinal injuries. If these rules weren't made then the game of football would eventually be in danger of coming to an end.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:54 AM
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I never said I didn't like it. He's the safety version of Boulware in that aspect.

Every football team has a guy that has a few screws loose that almost enjoys inflicting pain, like he doesn't want to hurt anyone but that guy wants you to feel it when he pops you. That's what Muse is. His coverage skills have left a little to be desired at times, but man is he an instinctive and physical safety when he can creep down into the box and play the run.


Haven't read the article, but not surprised at all


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:51 AM
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Out of any player on our defense, Muse is definitely the one I would call "dirty." I don't necessarily think he is a bad dude, but he plays with bad intentions and looks like he is trying to inflict pain. Call it what you want, but he is our dirty player. Boulware was last year. Muse is this year. You gotta have one. It's not a bad thing as long as you don't actually hurt somebody or get a dumb penalty/ejection. Unfortunately that is exactly what he did. I think Muse might secretly enjoy getting called dirty.


Re: Haven't read the article, but not surprised at all


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:59 AM
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"Secretly enjoy getting called dirty"? Seriously? So, that means he has no respect for the rules of the game, doesn't respect his team or his coach's vision, and lacks accountability? Anything else missed?


Re: Haven't read the article, but not surprised at all


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:25 AM
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Wow, you read a lot into that. Yes, surprisingly, a lot of players enjoy being the "enforcer". Ben Boulware was absolutely our enforcer last year. Headlocks, sumo slams, hard hits, kneeing opposing QBs in the head, etc. Many of these could be described as "dirty." Lots of people called Ben dirty. Did you see him stop doing any of this?

Muse does have a reputation already just through his high school career and his short career here. I have not said anything about him not respecting the rules or the coaches. You created all of that yourself.

But be realistic. Part of his game is instilling fear in the opponent. Making a WR think twice before he runs across the middle. Giving a QB a good reason not to scramble into his territory.


Re: Haven't read the article, but not surprised at all

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:11 AM
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Strongly disagree with you that Muse is a dirty player. I hope he continues to be aggressive and hits our opponent with the hard tackling. Watched play several times and feel he did not intentionally aim for the "head".


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:28 AM
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You clearly don't understand the rule then. The rule does not care where you hit the opponent (head, chest, legs, anywhere). The rule is about what part of YOU hits the opponent. If you lead with the crown of your helmet and contact the opponent anywhere, that is targeting. That is absolutely what Muse did.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:14 PM
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You are correct in everything you just said. However, it doesnt change the fact that the crown of the helmet IS the top of the body. When you initiate contact it is difficult to hit low without your head being out front. Look at the angles when Muse initiated contact and it appears he would have hit Jackson in the legs or torso with his shoulder. Unfortunately all the angles changed and he "led with the crown of his helmet".

Im a big fan of keeping the players safe which is the intent of this rule. However, being kicked out of a game and having articles written questioning how dirty you are for an unintentional foul is a bit much. JMHO.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:29 PM
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I agree the article is a bit much. That's why I didn't read it and give her a click. That's all she wants.

It is extremely difficult to hit someone properly that is trying to dodge you. Especially someone as fast as Lameo. However, he should have been flagged. I don't necessarily agree with the ejection on your first offense. But it does send a message. I'd rather Muse be ejected and both of them be safe than the opposite. In the end, it is not worth risking their brains or spines. I'm sure BV and Dabo would agree.


Trying to knock the crap out of someone is not "Dirty".***


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:31 AM
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What are you referring to?


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:39 AM
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Boulware or Muse?


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:54 AM
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Muse has been lowering his head all season, not going to say that is dirty but poor technique and surprising the coaching staff has not cleaned it up.


Title states "reckless" not "dirty"***


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:54 AM
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Everything about the article is poor.


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 10:59 AM
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The premise of the story is based on social media comments.
Then you have this quality journalism:

"Though Simmons was well prepared when called upon, even leading Clemson in tackles, that Muse put Clemson in that situation in is something he cannot do moving forward."

Yeah, ok.

Tanner should have been looking up. That's on him. I thought targeting was the right call based on the rule, but they need to call it consistenly.

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My new article

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:02 AM
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Is Grace Raynor A Real Person Or Is It Just a Pen Name For Lamar Jackson?
by Tiger_Thom (definitely not Tanner Muse)

An article was written on September 15th in which the sentence was written that Lamar Jackson would "make his plays." < http://goo.gl/pvfg3 >

Another was written a week letter as the cobwebs had been slowly clearing from the rattled Lamar Jackson in which it was asserted without evidence that people across the country are calling Tanner Muse a dirty player.

Coincidence? Let's examine the facts.

1) I've never seen Grace Raynor and Lamar Jackson in the same room.
2) Grace Raynor has not been seen publicly in a Louisville jersey. What is she hiding?

We spoke with multiple pundits across the country, and they all asserted that this notion is idiotic and that there exists zero evidence for it.

But do we really know? How can we really know? She must secretly be Lamar Jackson in disguise.


If she's not secretly Lamar Jackson...


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:10 AM
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why won't she publicly admit it?!?


Muse was about to have a heck of a hit on lamar

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:08 AM
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and lamar lowered his head at the last second. If he hadn't, Muse would have made contact with his shoulderpad.

Wasn't a dirty play.


Re: Muse was about to have a heck of a hit on lamar

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:34 AM
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call it what you want, it is dumb any time a college player lowers his head at full speed like that. It can lead to compressive spinal injuries in the tackler and increases the likely hood of both players suffering a concussion.


Led with the top of his helmet = targeting.***


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:35 AM
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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 11:59 AM
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This is the Post and Courier's article on targeting from last year. Completely different tone when it's the coots that are ejected for targeting. Fake journalism. They have an agenda and they are pumping that agenda. Fake paper, fake journalists, fake story, fake honesty, fake concern. Honesty in journalism is part of the bedrock foundation of a decent society. Post and Courier needs to move their shifting sands propaganda show to some third world country, where it belongs.

http://www.postandcourier.com/sports/worry-about-targeting-despite-ejections-gamecocks-will-still-just-hit/article_13fa4072-a773-11e6-af1e-575dc2772988.html


Re: Led with the top of his helmet = targeting.***


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:30 PM
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Was this supposed to be a response to me?


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:50 PM
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No. He led with the top of his helmet and he was punished exactly as the rules stated he should be. Having a newspaper imply that there was more to it than that, based on one incedent, is utter hogwash.


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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 1:07 PM
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Oh I agree. I was confused as to why it was a response to me.


Grace Raynor is a recent Tar Heel journalism grad


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:09 PM
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I wasn't pleased when they made her their Clemson beat writer.

Here is my reply to her:

To my knowledge, Muse has exactly one ... ONE ... targeting call on his resume. His coach explained that it was avoidable, not because of the angle Muse took on his approach, but because he should have met the runner further in the backfield. In other words he was out of position. He was not suggesting that the tackle should have been made differently. If he gets flagged again this season, you might have an article. For now though, you're making something out of nothing.


We are all just helping her now


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:32 PM
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She is just trying to generate traffic and posting this here is doing that. Replying to her is even better.


Re: We are all just helping her now


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:40 PM
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If you go back and watch the play, you will see that Jackson lowered his head, as if to get a targeting call. Flame out.


Re: We are all just helping her now


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 1:09 PM
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I think you replied to the wrong person.


I know her personally. She's a tiger fan.***

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:54 PM
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There's something in these hills.


Tells me all I need to know:


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:40 PM
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Grace Raynor
Bio
Grace is the Post and Courier's Clemson reporter, living in the upstate after spending a year in Charleston as a general assignment sports reporter. She graduated from the University of North Carolina with a degree in journalism.


Well, aspiring journalists can't go to Clemson.***

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:55 PM
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There's something in these hills.


Shhh... that interferes with the narrative***

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Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:57 PM
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Grace Raynor also voted Clemson #1 in latest AP poll


Posted: Sep 22, 2017 12:59 PM
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Clearly she hates us.

http://collegepolltracker.com/football/pollster/grace-raynor/2017/week-4


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