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Anyone that says recruiting rankings do not matter

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:03 AM
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Obviously was not around during the Tommy Bowden administration.

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You should never chalk up to conspiracy what you can reliably attribute to stupidity. Because stupidity is a much more powerful force in the course of human events.


Re: Anyone that says recruiting rankings do not matter

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:05 AM
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If pigs are so smart, why do 66% of them use weak and inferior materials during construction?


Lol, nice gif!

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Posted: May 16, 2019 12:38 PM
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I loved Eddie Murphy in Training Day

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Re: Anyone that says recruiting rankings do not matter

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:12 AM
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Wow - another astute post - TBalm !! -:)

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Rankings do not matter

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:15 AM
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But I have heard that size does

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:42 AM
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Size, just like recruiting rankings, does matter in that if you have the biggest and best then you have more room for error in terms of reaching potential and performance "on the field".


Don't pay for silly recruiting sites***


Posted: May 16, 2019 9:21 AM
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We were truly rank back then, for the most part. Thank God

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:26 AM
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that is now becoming ancient history. Seeing what it takes to have the #1 Class, as we may end up with in 2020, it Bottles the Mime to see the level of talent that other schools have wasted in recent years. Hopefully our coaching staff shows them what can really be done with great talent when it is well coached.

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Tommy Bowden could've landed a top 10 recruiting class

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Posted: May 16, 2019 9:55 AM
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every year and would've still grossly underachieved. He was Mark Richt without the resources and in-state talent. Rankings do matter but you still have to be able to coach them after they sign. Bowden's philosophy was always 'the players should motivate themselves'. I've heard him say it many times. He thought you somehow get great players out of HS and just wind them up and let them go. Nothing could be further from the truth. They still have to be developed to their potential and have the egos managed, as well.

Tommy Bowden. Pffft...


Re: Tommy Bowden could've landed a top 10 recruiting class

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:50 AM
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Heck no.

Mark Richt was an excellent coach with the misfortune of being at Georgia. He had about 3 opportunities to win it all (and in 2002 and 2007 likely had the best team IMO) but those are the days when being #3 was the worst spot to be at. The only knock against Richt was that he was coaching at the same time of both Saban and Meyer... but being the 2nd best coach to multiple NC HOF coaches is a nasty place to be. Think about that. He won the SEC when Meyer or Saban were active. Tommy, while being a great guy was never at that level of success nor had that competition. Nine 10+ win seasons over 16 years does not make him a "Tommy". Heck he has higher % wins than Dooley.


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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:50 AM
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Yep - Hater - never quite understood his coaching style .....

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Other than losing some head-scratchers, I don't feel like he

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:51 AM
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underachieved. I just don't feel like he had the wildly talented roster like some believe. Sure, he had some very good players, but just not nearly as many as Dabo has acquired and certainly not the depth.


Oh, he underachieved. Clemson should never be middle

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Posted: May 16, 2019 12:18 PM
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of the pack or worse in the ACC. By and large, he couldn't recruit worth 2 cents. Had it not been for Dabo, Billy Napier, and a few other assistants it would've been worse. He couldn't hire coordinators worth 2 cents, either. His biggest underachievement was he never achieved an ability to motivate or take responsibility for his program's shortcomings.

When he had good players he lost to teams he shouldn't (See: Wake Forest). His teams got blown out of the hemisphere by Maryland and NCSU. The same team that ended '03 by beating FSU and Tenn also got trounced by WF 45-17 and UGA 30-0. At one point we lost to GT 4 out of 5 years while GT was perpetually going 7-5. I could go on but I won't.

Dabo Swinney could've taken those exact same teams and had better results because he wouldn't have gotten outcoached by Ralph Friedgen, Chuck Amato, Mark Richt, Jim Grobe, and Al Groh, or Chan Gailey.


Where did he fall on our list of top 10 winningest coaches, BD


Posted: May 16, 2019 3:42 PM
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BD = before Dabo?


He was 72-45, a 62% winning percentage.

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Posted: May 16, 2019 4:04 PM
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1999 6-6 Lost to Miss St 17-7 Peach Bowl
2000 9-3 Lost to VT 41-20 Gator Bowl
2001 7-5 Beat LA Tech 49-24 Humanitarian Bowl
2002 7-6 Lost to TX Tech 55-15 Tangerine Bowl
2003 9-4 Beat Tenn 27-14 Peach Bowl
2004 6-5 * Declined bowl bid for fight w/ SCar
2005 8-4 Beat Colorado 19-10 Champs Sports Bowl
2006 8-5 Lost to KY 28-20 Music City Bowl
2007 9-4 Lost to Auburn 23-20 Peach Bowl (Chick-Fil-A)
2008 3-3 * Fired after 3-3 start (losses to Bama 34-10, MD 20-17, WF 12-7)
(wins over the Citadel 45-17, NCSU 27-9, SC St 54-0)


He ranks behind Heisman, Howard, Pell, Ford, and Hatfield percentage wise.


I'd take him over Pell, and we all know Hatfield


Posted: May 16, 2019 11:01 PM
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did NOTHING without s players. So lets chuck those two out, because I think we'd both take Bowden over either of those guys. Right?

And Heisman..really? What did he coach, 2 years? I mean, yeah he did great for that tine..before cars amd whatnot.

I'd personally move Bowden to #3 on that list. Behind Ford and Howard. Even if you chooseto disagree, I think you can say he was above average in Clemson history. Right?


You missed a bowl winin there too.***


Posted: May 16, 2019 11:03 PM
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I didn't miss a bowl win. Every bowl is accounted for.


Posted: May 17, 2019 8:52 AM
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There was no bowl after the '04 season.


Devils Advocate says: Meanwhile ...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:07 AM
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... we have a 5-star LB who appears to be transfering because he’s behind 3-star Jamie Skalski ... and a 5-star RB who is leaving because a supremely talented former 3-star guy called ETN has become a Heisman candidate in front of him.

Both of those 5-star guys jacked up our recruiting ranking the year they signed.

Befoe you get upset, remember this is Devils Advocate tslking ... ??


Re: Devils Advocate says: Meanwhile ...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:38 AM
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ETN was a 4 star.


Curious because I honestly don't know, but what was his

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:49 AM
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composite ranking? I would tend to believe someone had him ranked as a 5-star. Too, get a bunch of 4-stars with a few 5-stars sprinkled in, and you can win national championships, like we have.


Nope ... Rivals 3-Star.


Posted: May 16, 2019 2:17 PM
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I’ve always felt Rivals had the best handle on things if any group did. Opinions vary of course.

Suffice it to say that ETN was a last minute under-the-radar get for Clemson and that Feaster was a kid everybody recruited.


Re: Nope ... Rivals 3-Star.


Posted: May 16, 2019 2:22 PM
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His 247 composite ranking was as a 4 star.


He gained traction after Clemson went after him.


Posted: May 16, 2019 2:33 PM
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Prior to that, only LSU had noticed him.

3-Star, 4-Star ... he was basically an unknown compared to Feaster.


well Clemson LSU and


Posted: May 17, 2019 12:22 AM
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Oregon, Tenn, Texas A&m, Bama, Arkansas, Cal, Houston, Iowa St, Kansas, La, La Tech, Mem, Miami, Miss St, Mizzou, unc, NT, Ok State, Or St. Rutgers, So. alabama, So Miss, TCU, Tulane, UCF, Utsa, Vandy, VT and some smaller schools

But really nobody else. Not bad from someone that snubbed Rivals camps.

Top 300 player and 16th ranked RB composite which was brought down by rivals low numbers but ...

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Rivals was clearly the best at evaluating ETN


Posted: May 17, 2019 12:10 AM
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clearly a 3 star from day 1. Those insane high school runs that he had were different than the same looking insane college runs because those guys at rivals are smart and know better.

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Posted: May 17, 2019 1:12 PM
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Basically, none of them know anything.

Coaches know what they need and what they want.

They don’t let recruiting rankings color their decisions.

Thankfully.

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Tommy Bowden did some good things...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:26 AM
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but saying "Well, every week half the teams that play lose" was not one of them.


Re: Tommy Bowden did some good things...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:29 AM
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we were always 1 or 2 players away from an ACC title,

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Re: Tommy Bowden did some good things...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:42 AM
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And ... plays - TBalm - 1 or 2 plays away .... -:)

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:46 AM
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Probably the same guys who say size doesn't matter..

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Posted: May 16, 2019 11:46 AM
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..on the offensive line. Another Tommy Bowden era issues.


The fact that I attended Clemson during the Tommy Bowden administration...

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Posted: May 16, 2019 1:09 PM
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Is a testament of how much I love that school. Even that goober couldn’t run me off!

And certain home games against GT and Maryland certainly tested me.

~JKB


Re: The fact that I attended Clemson during the Tommy Bowden administration...


Posted: May 16, 2019 2:22 PM
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I agree - JKB - Bowden’s teams were frequently hard to watch - excruciating at times !! That’s when I became “HopefulTiger” ... lol ..., just hoping we would win ....,.

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Recruiting rankings don't matter on an individual basis


Posted: May 16, 2019 2:12 PM
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But they do matter when looking at an entire class. To an extent, of course.


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