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This really is insanity.***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:09 PM
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Heisman Winner [119720]
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This is liberal politics at its BEST
Nov 3, 2015, 2:13 PM
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never concerned with unintended consequences....
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This stuff is so mind-blowingly outrageous.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:11 PM
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I do not understand how this even at issue.
OK, someone identifies as a woman, so we must accommodate them in a girls' bathroom or locker room? How do you know if they are even telling the truth? What's keeping me from suddenly identifying as a woman and barging on in there?
What if someone identifies as a clothes-free person? We must allow them to walk around naked in the high school?
What if they identify as a gynecologist? We must allow them to perform exams on people as much as they need to be fulfilled in their identity?
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All-In [26968]
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It's an example of what is really meant by "tolerance".
Nov 3, 2015, 2:17 PM
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Tolerance is supposed to mean "Do what you want to with your life, and I won't bother you. You do the same for me."
To these people, tolerance means "Accept whatever I do as normal, and bend over backwards if necessary to accommodate it fully."
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All-In [28802]
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Also, "we will use the government to make you accept it"***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:25 PM
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Who is bending over backwards here?
Nov 3, 2015, 2:56 PM
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My version of tolerance is very much, "Do what you want to with your life, and I won't bother you. You do the same for me." In this case, if a chick thinks she's a dude and wants to dump out in the men's room, have at it. By trying to force that person, by "using the government" as camcgee said, aren't you actually forcing them to bend in order to accommodate you?
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110%er [8243]
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If a person with balls and shaft identifies as a woman
Nov 3, 2015, 3:03 PM
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and is allowed in the women's locker room, I would not feel comfortable having my daughter in that same locker room. Not because of any hatred towards that person, more out of a general distrust of all people with balls and shaft when it comes to my daughter.
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"I would not feel comfortable"
Nov 3, 2015, 3:15 PM
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That is the crux of this issue.
I personally find it a tad unlikely that a boy would live his life as a girl simply so he could hang out in the girl's locker room, but we could probably make a sitcom out of that premise.
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110%er [8243]
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"I personally find it a tad unlikely that a boy would live
Nov 3, 2015, 3:18 PM
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his life as a girl"
That is the crux of the issue.
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CU Medallion [56087]
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It IS unlikely.
Nov 3, 2015, 3:32 PM
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That's why I don't get why you're all freaking out.
Unless you mean something else. Actually, wait, what do you mean?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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At least you concede he's still a boy
Nov 3, 2015, 3:47 PM
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He may be living life like a girl, but he's not a girl. Thus, should not be allowed in the female locker room.
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CU Medallion [56087]
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Biologically, yeah, I think it's irrefutable.
Nov 3, 2015, 3:59 PM
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And I also think a lesbian girl is a bigger problem for daughters in locker rooms than a boy who thinks he's a girl, presuming that kids shouldn't share locker rooms with people they find sexually attractive, which I guess is the basis for having a boys' locker room and a girls' locker room. Of course you could have a case where a boy thinks he's a girl and also finds girls sexually attractive. Not sure what you do there.
Maybe we should just do away with gym class.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I think the easiest thing to do, would be to return to
Nov 3, 2015, 4:02 PM
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sanity, and have girls facilities for girls, and boys facilities for boys. If you have a cockk and balls, you are a boy, if you have a ######, you are a girl. It is all so refreshingly clear. We're going to confuse the ##### out of this entire generation with this gender nonsense.
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CU Medallion [56087]
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The easiest thing to do is to have one locker room.
Nov 3, 2015, 4:15 PM
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What's simpler than that?
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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No locker rooms.***
Nov 3, 2015, 4:16 PM
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When we say "biologically" are we talking appearance?
Nov 3, 2015, 5:52 PM
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and how do we separate mind/body/consciousness/self/identity from biological processes?
As complex as we are as people, it seems really reductive to think that we are simply the parts on our body. That's not to say they aren't important or that they don't play a crucial role in who we are, but are they everything?
Clearly with transgender persons, there is a misfire between the parts and what they mean and how their mind/self sees them. Seems pretty tough issue to fall on one side or the other and yet both sides seem so aggressive in their perceived understanding of the issue that I'm confused on what emotion is driving their thought process.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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Similarly to how you need a ###### to be a woman***
Nov 3, 2015, 3:03 PM
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Yes, don't know why we'd defer to a MD
Nov 3, 2015, 4:49 PM
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As if they know anything about gender theory. The medical degree is just another way of legitimizing the oppression of sexual minorities whose voices are being silenced.
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I keep thinking at some point, society as a whole is
Nov 3, 2015, 2:13 PM
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going to be like "Ok, enough with this crap, it's time to come back to reality", and feminists (or whatever you want to label the people promoting this insanity) will have totally undermined their cause. But some times I just don't know, people really are that stupid.
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People are all about being on the bandwagon
Nov 3, 2015, 2:24 PM
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We think in memes, and when people have seen a meme enough times, they just adopt that as their way of making quick judgments about issues unless they've invested more time on the issue. As long as the dominant meme on gender/sexuality issues is one that only takes into account individuals' sexual desire, then your average person will always default to the idea that these people should be empowered (through the use of government force, in the end) to exercise their sexual "rights." Unless they're directly affected- and the easiest way to be directly affected is knowing somebody claiming new sexual rights that have to be protected- it's just easier to adopt the meme.
But this stuff is so patently absurd that it's hard to see how the bandwagon doesn't eventually get back on reality's side.
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Otter said it best:
Nov 3, 2015, 2:35 PM
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Insert educational administrators for Fraternity:
But you can't hold a whole fraternity responsible for the behavior of a few, sick twisted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole fraternity system? And if the whole fraternity system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our educational institutions in general? I put it to you, Greg - isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!
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The whole article is an example of an overstep in the
Nov 3, 2015, 3:05 PM
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extreme. The whole situation is totally absurd, and should be recognized as such.
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CU Medallion [56087]
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The way you guys are reacting to this makes it seem as if
Nov 3, 2015, 2:33 PM
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this is a really common issue that actually affects your life.
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Yeah, thank god we live in a vacuum.***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:35 PM
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Yeah, if doesn't affect me directly I shouldn't comment.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:54 PM
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What was I thinking?
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CU Medallion [56087]
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
Nov 3, 2015, 3:01 PM
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I just can't figure out why the volume is always turned up to eleven. Even if this happened in my neighborhood I can't imagine giving THAT much of a ####.
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If it happens in my neighborhood, then I care.
Nov 3, 2015, 3:08 PM
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Since I live in the woods and don't really have any neighbors. Which means
IT'S HAPPENING ON MY LAWN.
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Re: Somehow, I don't think this was the intent of Title IX
Nov 3, 2015, 2:38 PM
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Transgender students also are given the option to use the locker room of the sex from which they transitioned, a district spokesman said.
Well, if they really transitioned, then they no longer have the proper parts to be in the other locker room. If they have not had stuff cut off or sewn on, they have not transitioned therefore have to go to this private room or to the room where they have the proper equipment.
I have no issue with schools having 4 locker rooms, but people need their feet held to the fire about this gender thing.
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I don't know much about this subject but is there
Nov 3, 2015, 2:47 PM
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not an age limit for people who want to do this? Why is this even an issue in high school?
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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You used too many pronouns.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:49 PM
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What do you mean age limit?
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Heisman Winner [135609]
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Yikes.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:52 PM
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Lost his amateur status, I guess.
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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I see. I am glad you shared your thoughts today.***
Nov 3, 2015, 3:03 PM
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So, just to be clear, if I identify as a woman then it's OK
Nov 3, 2015, 2:41 PM
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to play from the red tees?
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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No.***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:41 PM
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You couldn't be more wrong about this.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:45 PM
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If he identifies as a woman but still has a peen, he has to play with his peen out if he chooses to play from the red tees.
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Oculus Spirit [75719]
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So, you want to see his peen?***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:45 PM
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No but that's part of the integrity of golf***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:49 PM
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Yes.***
Nov 3, 2015, 2:45 PM
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I have developed a compromise.
Nov 3, 2015, 2:59 PM
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To have full blown gender reassignment #### is expensive. If girls think they should have ##### and want to use the boys locker room, well that #### will sort itsself out with just a few unspeakable acts.
For the boys that think they should have #######, well castrate them and it reduces the danger to any girls in the locker room.
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separate locker rooms by equipment not gender.
Nov 3, 2015, 4:08 PM
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Any person with a #### can use this locker room you get to pick your gender. Equality for all.
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simple solution, one big restroom with urinals for those who
Nov 3, 2015, 5:50 PM
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stand and toilets for those who sit.
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