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CJ Spiller vs Sammy Watkins Freshman years...
Oct 18, 2011, 4:36 PM
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I made a post a few weeks ago to just do a little comparison on the impact of CJ vs Sammy in their Freshman seasons. You can see that here:
http://www.tigernet.com/forums/thread.jspa?forumID=1&threadID=999344&messageID=11018077#11018077
I'm now doing a follow up post to see where we sit through 7 games. Like I said in the previous post, you can't COMPLETELY compare the two, but it's very interesting to see the numbers...
CJ Spiller (opponents: Florida Atlantic, BC, Fl State. UNC, La Tech, Wake, Temple)
61 rushes for 407 yards (avg 6.6)
11 Receptions for 134 yards (avg 12.2)
7 total TD's (6 rushing and 1 receiving)
6 Kick Returns for 111 yards (avg 18.5)
7 Punt Returns for 26 yards (avg 3.71)
Average Yards per Touch: 7.97
Total All Purpose Yards: 678
Sammy Watkins (opponents: Troy, Wofford, Auburn, Fl State, Virginia Tech, BC, Maryland)
20 rushes for 127 yards (avg 6.4)
46 Receptions for 728 yards (avg 15.8)
9 total TD's (8 receiving and 1 KR)
11 Kick Returns for 338 yards (avg 30.7)
2 Punt Returns for 12 yards (avg 6)
Average yards per touch: 15.25
Total All Purpose Yards: 1,205
Sammy has pretty much doubled total yardage at this point in the season. He also averages almost double what CJ did every time he touches the ball. And, he's almost tripled what CJ did on kickoff returns. I think the most impressive thing about this is looking at the opponents that Sammy has had to face vs what CJ did. And Sammy is still killing it. Impressive.
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he's going to set some records***
Oct 18, 2011, 4:37 PM
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he's already set 11***
Oct 18, 2011, 4:43 PM
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110%er [7980]
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how does that make my statement less true***
Oct 18, 2011, 5:17 PM
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Athletic Dir [870]
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Yeah, but TB didn't maximize CJ like Dabo is doing with
Oct 18, 2011, 4:55 PM
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Sammy. I figure you'd have to discount everything except CJ's senior year. I just can't believe that we are lucky enough to have two skill players of this caliber (speed, game-changing ability, character).
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yes and no?
Oct 18, 2011, 5:22 PM
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CJ had 85 touches through 7 games...
Sammy has had 79 touches through 7 games...
I would argue Sammy has done more with less touches against tougher competition.
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With a better scheme and better talent around him...Give
Oct 18, 2011, 7:02 PM
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Sammy a qb like Proctor instead of Boyd...
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We're running a more balanced offense
Oct 18, 2011, 7:45 PM
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So defenders have a bunch of headaches OTHER than CJ to worry about. CJ would have numbers just as good in our current offense I would think. But when defenders have to worry about Allen, Bryant, Bellamy, Nuke, etc. that makes the superstar that more productive.
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Re: CJ Spiller vs Sammy Watkins Freshman years...
Oct 18, 2011, 5:02 PM
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Rob spence wasted CJ,would love to see what spillers numbers would have been with the CHAD.But either way Sammy in his first year is way ahead of what Spiller was his first year.Never thought I would say it but SW leave CJ in second as far as stats go.
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Sammy is a full time starter, Spiller was not
Oct 18, 2011, 5:12 PM
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This does not mean that Sammy won't set a lot fo records. bhe already has.
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I get that, but Sammy has actually had less touches than
Oct 18, 2011, 5:24 PM
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CJ to this point.
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Yes, and the majority of them started 5 yards behind the
Oct 18, 2011, 7:07 PM
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line...
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CJ should have got the ball more**
Oct 18, 2011, 5:15 PM
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look at the numbers.***
Oct 18, 2011, 5:22 PM
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CJ was second string his freshman year***
Oct 18, 2011, 5:26 PM
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you guys aren't looking at the numbers. I don't care if
Oct 18, 2011, 5:28 PM
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CJ was "2nd string".... CJ had more touches at this point than Sammy.... 85 to 79.
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WR have many more yds per touch than RB***
Oct 18, 2011, 5:29 PM
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Freshman [-100]
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exactly..apples and oranges**
Oct 18, 2011, 5:30 PM
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Also Sammy has a lot more talented teammates than CJ
Oct 18, 2011, 5:31 PM
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did which is one of the reasons this offense is so successful. Even if it does mean that he doesn't get 98% of the touches.
Team sport brotha...
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There is also no argument who has had more help and a better
Oct 18, 2011, 6:59 PM
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scheme...Give Sammy Spence and Proctor and get back to me...
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Re: CJ should have got the ball more**
Oct 18, 2011, 6:50 PM
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CJ didn't need to get the ball more during his freshman year because at the time Davis was by far the better running back. Spiller was still running backwards to try for touchdowns on every play. Watkins is by far our best receiver at this point, and that's saying something because the other receivers are really good.
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Freshman [-100]
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wrong..
Oct 18, 2011, 9:22 PM
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Spileer was better from day 1 and it was obvious. You just missed it. A lot pfe people knew...just not you.
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Sammy should be compared to Michael Crabtree... not CJ***
Oct 18, 2011, 5:39 PM
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Chad Morris would have been like a 3 year old on Christmas
Oct 18, 2011, 5:44 PM
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morning if he had had C.J. Spiller, Jacoby Ford, and Michael Palmer on the same team. This guy would have gotten C.J. and Jacoby the ball when they were running full speed in a little space. That's all C.J. needed, and that's all he needs now at Buffalo. He's not a RB, into the line kind of player, and he probably never will be.
We had him doing it, and when there was a hole, he was gone, but he had a hard time learning to just take the 2 yards when that's all there was to get.
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This will be noted on TNT this week. No doubt. I've been
Oct 18, 2011, 6:18 PM
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looking at some other stuff, but I'm going to add these stats.
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I think CJ was a victim of the offensive scheme the coaching
Oct 18, 2011, 6:53 PM
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...staff implemented. I have to believe that if CJ were a part of this offense he would be killing it too.
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Comparing a 2nd string RB in a Spence scheme to a starting
Oct 18, 2011, 6:57 PM
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WR in Morris' scheme = apples to oranges...
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