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Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 29, 2014, 1:40 PM
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at the college level as we know it? Or, would it allow the NCAA and Universities to get out front on the issue and regain some influence on the direction of the conversation?
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add in volleyball baseball track swimming softball golf
Mar 29, 2014, 1:47 PM
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You get the idea. You pay one you pay all
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only pay starters. motivation.***
Mar 29, 2014, 1:56 PM
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Mar 29, 2014, 1:58 PM
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Do those sports all get the same scholarships currently?
Mar 29, 2014, 3:02 PM
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I thought they were more limited in what they offer and that's why, for instance, the best athletes don't play baseball any more. Baseball doesn't give full rides like football does.
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 29, 2014, 1:53 PM
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I was thinking more like a $100, and not a penny more than $150. They already get money for living off campus don't they. And with 3/4 of them sharing an apartment gives them extra money.
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While not 100% familiar w/the details, don't they already
Mar 29, 2014, 1:54 PM
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get about that much from Pell Grants that don't have to be repaid?? Plus, its my understanding that each player gets "X" amount of dollars for off-campus housing and should they get a roommate who shares in the living expenses, they simply pocket the difference??
Their meals are all designed by a professional dietician AND they're all paid for. As are books and tutoring.
And they don't pay taxes on any of this stuff.
I DO think some of the money from sales of likenesses and jerseys should go into an escrow account redeemable after eligibility expiration, but I wonder how "student-athletes" getting a small stipend is going to "improve" their lot......PLUS, there are the athletes in all the non-revenue sports to consider, as well.
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They do.***
Mar 29, 2014, 2:11 PM
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Re: Then they are getting too much as it is. This needs to
Mar 29, 2014, 2:46 PM
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be curtailed.
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What would stop a big time booster at Alabama or Texas
Mar 29, 2014, 6:14 PM
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from ensuring that every:
3 star recruit would have $50,000 in his escrow account
4 star recruit would have $100,000 in his escrow account
5 star recruit would have $500,000 in his escrow account
It is in the best interest of the sport for there to be a salary cap of sorts to keep the games from being a boring blow out.
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what stops em now***
Mar 29, 2014, 6:15 PM
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Athletic Dir [865]
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OP suggested that NCAA allow fans to contribute to an
Mar 29, 2014, 6:21 PM
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escrow account based on player "likeness".
I am pointing out that these escrow accounts would quickly become a sham.
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not "contribute" to it.....
Mar 29, 2014, 7:38 PM
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some of the monies athletic dept's receive from selling jerseys and posters and other memorabilia would go into an account that the athlete could access only after all their eligibility is completed
If a booster wants to give a former athlete a bunch of money after the athlete completes their eligibility, there's nothing the NCAA can do about it now.
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why don't we let 'em live in nice hotels for like $15/month?
Mar 29, 2014, 2:05 PM
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that hasn't been tried before, has it?
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Re: Now you know why Spurrier is in favor of it.***
Mar 29, 2014, 3:37 PM
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No
Mar 29, 2014, 2:12 PM
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But when they strike for 300 a week it will
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title IX lawyers would have the ncaa in court in 1/2 a heart
Mar 29, 2014, 2:22 PM
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-beat if you excluded female athletes.
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Re: title IX lawyers would have the ncaa in court in 1/2 a heart
Mar 29, 2014, 2:35 PM
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yes they would.. the problem started when the gutless NCAA did not exclude football for the other sports.. there is no female equivalent to football
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Re: Pay them nothing. Take what you have or leave.***
Mar 29, 2014, 2:24 PM
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110%er [5977]
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No! In the 1950 and 1960 players got
Mar 29, 2014, 3:38 PM
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money for extra living expenses. So no, it's well past time they got something considering they're not allowed to get a job and they are basically required to practice year around.
Not sure why fans are so upset about this issue it will have no effect on you personally.
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I think the word "union" makes some people crazy
Mar 29, 2014, 3:48 PM
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and they get all emotional and lose sight of the truth. Particularly in the south where college football is so popular. We could see good college football move north and west.
Hopefully, the people that run the NCAA and college athletic departments will be more reasonable and get out in front of this issue.
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They don't want $200 dollars a week. They want a cut of
Mar 29, 2014, 3:51 PM
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that 2 billion dollars a week made off of college football. That's really what it comes down to.
They see ESPN et al making a killing while all they get is a lousy African American Studies degree.
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Welcome to life kids.***
Mar 29, 2014, 3:52 PM
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If they want a cut...
Mar 29, 2014, 7:19 PM
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They are free to say no to the NCAA grant-in-aid and the rules that go with it. They can go out, form some teams, create a league, build or rent some stadiums, hire some coaches and other staff, then play some games and negotiate with ESPN for coverage $$.
After all, they know what ESPN and the schools are "making" off the games before they accept the scholarship. And they know that the TV money is playing for all the other sports (esp. Title IX sports). And they know that most schools will bring in that money and *still* not break even. All those are facts they know when they sign up for their scholarship.
For the 80 or so players on each FBS (div 1, whatever its called now)) team that will never, ever come anywhere close to even sniffing he NFL, it seems pretty reasonable that the scholarship is a great deal. If it wasn't and they didn't feel like playing football in exchange for the scholarship, there's always walk-ons who put in all the same hours for practice and everything else and are *paying their own way* for the chance to get on the field.
For the handful of players on a FBS team that might get a chance at the NFL, how much is playing for a top team, top coach, top facilities, top TV coverage for several years worth to those chances? And you're getting a full-ride in the mean time?
And remember, they play 12-14 games per year, about 3 hours per game. So they're getting $50K+++ for about 40 hours of revenue-generating work. Yeah, they don't sell tickets to weight room sessions so I don't count that as revenue-generating work.
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The point people are missing is that the current system
Mar 29, 2014, 8:11 PM
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isn't legally defensible. It will be changed by the courts if the NCAA doesn't adapt and lead.
Why not take it out of the courts hands and control the process?
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Re: The point people are missing is that the current system
Mar 30, 2014, 12:25 AM
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How is the current system not legally defensible? The players have entered an agreement with their respective Universities fully aware of the conditions they are agreeing to. It's about as basic contracts as you can get. Just because the players may not be getting as good a deal as others involved does not make it illegal. By your standards, every single contract ever made is pretty much illegal. No one is holding a gun to their head forcing them to play.
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I think the players are confused...
Mar 29, 2014, 4:03 PM
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As to the role they play in the business of college football. They are the product, not the employee, the College is the manufacturer, and the coach's are Employees. You don't give the product a salary, you purchase supplies to build it (scholarship), you store it for use (housing), you maintain it for use (meals, nutritionists, trainers, etc), and then you sell it for profit. It seems harsh to talk about players this way, but it is the reality. If they become employees then college football becomes NFL lite, and they won't be able to compete with NFL and college football will go away.
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 29, 2014, 4:04 PM
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yes it would because imediately all the women`s sports would demand equal pay and their all college sports are forever ruined.if it is for just those sports that make $$ and it is $100.00 a month then maybe??
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All the other sports are not currently equal in their
Mar 29, 2014, 4:06 PM
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financial aid. Not even close.
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Re: All the other sports are not currently equal in their
Mar 29, 2014, 4:09 PM
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WONDERFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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They'll have to pay ALL athletes
Mar 29, 2014, 5:22 PM
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And I would guess other students on scholarships may sue to get their stipend too. Say a student on scholarship that is developing something medical that could make the university millions...... Or something for the gas companies...... This could get ugly for scholarships
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No. They won't. Scholarships are limited in number by
Mar 29, 2014, 5:33 PM
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sport and can be divided into parts and awarded to multiple players in a manner that the particular sport's coach chooses. At most, the stipend could be paid according to the scholarship limits by sport with some sports dividing the stipend into parts to award to multiple athletes.
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As soon as they legalize $200, the race will be on to offer
Mar 29, 2014, 5:26 PM
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$500 under the table.
We will always have a minimum threshold before "cheating" begins, whether it's $0 or $200 ... or whatever.
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It is in the players best long term interest to maintain a
Mar 29, 2014, 5:44 PM
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salary cap and for the salary cap to be low enough that almost every current Division 1A school can afford that salary cap.
For example:
If the salary cap was so high that only 34 teams could meet it; then TV interest in games would be greatly diminished by fans of schools not in the top 34.
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It would speed up the process of weeding out the haves and
Mar 29, 2014, 8:02 PM
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the have nots, but not by much. It's not much money for schools considering the growth of TV money, Conference Championship Money, Bowl Money, Jersey money, donations, tickets, concessions, etc. It's simply a question of how the pie is divided.
Ultimately, it's a good thing for fans of good football.
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34 teams would not work in NCAA football
Mar 30, 2014, 6:03 PM
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If the top division was just 34 teams, TV money would diminish from fans of the teams not in the top 34.
34 teams work in the NFL b/c they have all of the best markets in the USA locked up (NY, Chicago, Houston, ATL, etc.).
NCAA is successful because there is a broader (yet more spread out) appeal. Major players in NCAA football include Lincoln Nebraska, Tuscaloosa Alabama, Tallahassee Florida, and Columbus Ohio. Yet there is significant appeal in places like Clemson SC, Athens GA, Starkville MS, Eugen Oregon, etc.
There is even some appeal in places like Durham NC.
It takes all of this appeal to rival that of the NFL.
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Pandora's box. Once open, not only does it never close,
Mar 29, 2014, 8:29 PM
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it keeps spewing out hurt forever after.
Take a look at the size of student debt, and the long-lasting pain this causes countless young men and women regardless of whether they lasted one semester (frequent), or four years.
These kids have no idea how good they've got it. Imagine what their lives would be like if basketball and football tried the minor league approach. 2 out of 100, maybe, have a chance to actually make a career out of their athletic talent at this level.
Once the line is crossed it's everybody lose from then on out. And judging from the way of the world to date, those with the least power, the individual athlete, will ultimately pay the biggest price of all.
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You seem to be making a case for representation for the
Mar 29, 2014, 8:39 PM
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student athlete.
I think these kids know exactly how good everyone else in their business has it. It's why we are where we are. The line will be crossed.
The one constant is the demand for good football. Solutions will be found to meet that demand. Be a part of the solution.
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Legend [16262]
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Just the opposite. And these 'kids' have no clue (on the
Mar 29, 2014, 8:58 PM
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whole, there's always exceptions).
If the employee line is crossed, which compensation inherently implies, then the scholarship aspect should be taken off the table completely unless it's purely academic. Let them go into debt for an education like so many of their peers, or of course pay for their education out of their 'salaries.' Why not just start up a minor league operation to take college athletics' place? Would love to see 2000 fans cheering on the Anderson Waylayers, pounding away $2 Natty Lights on a Saturday afternoon in the fall.
These kids are headed for a rude awakening if they feel this is the right way to go. But it's not really the kids pushing this, is it? Follow the money and you'll find sports agents and lawyers digging for gold behind this current push.
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Hall of Famer [22393]
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The IRS considers scholarships non taxable. Payment for
Mar 29, 2014, 9:16 PM
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teaching, research, or other services required as a condition for receiving the scholarship are considered payment for services and are taxed as income. Pell Grants are a not taxed, so stipends could fall into a similar non-taxed category.
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Legend [16262]
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I guess what I was suggesting is that universities simply
Mar 29, 2014, 10:06 PM
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cancel athletic scholarships under a pay to play arrangement that's being bantered about, including stipends, commissions, salaries, or any other financial dividend for participation, and have students arrange for tuition payments instead. Grants and other financial aid would certainly help bridge the gap, and if there's a balance remaining simply debt up like so many others currently do. That way the universities providing the education, food, housing, materials, etc. plus the opportunities to showcase these student talents in front of millions are getting the necessary funds for doing their part, while those student-athletes using the universities for a shot at a professional career in sports are taking on their share of the risk in the process.
Maybe some budding entrepreneurs will come up with a non-collegiate related minor league program to replace the current system that will provide a true free market alternative. What I see right now though is more of a solution in search of a problem than the other way around.
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 29, 2014, 9:07 PM
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Pay the athletes a percentage of the gate.
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 30, 2014, 7:49 PM
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Why? Does your company pay you a percentage of its gross revenue? If you are in a profit sharing deal, that's great. But this isn't normally how business is done.
I don't understand why people think that the players are entitled to a share of money proportional to what they HELP produce. They are only one small part of the machine that is college football.
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 30, 2014, 8:06 PM
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U are dreaming if U think it stops there..EVERY sport, especially the womens money loosing sports will demand equal $$$ so it will destroys all college sports!
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Re: Would a $200/week stipend destroy football and basketball
Mar 31, 2014, 5:56 AM
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I don't know if it will destroy all collegiate sports but you can bet your a$$ that feminist groups and their attorneys are licking their chops over the litigation that will ensue.
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So, being blackmailed into 100,000 a month is getting out in
Mar 29, 2014, 9:42 PM
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front. Yessir. That is who I want to negotiate with. Make one little threat and they cough up a million a year...
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ROTC Scholarships pay $350-500/month
Mar 29, 2014, 10:52 PM
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It seems to be a fair stipend
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+ how many years service
Mar 29, 2014, 11:02 PM
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send em all to army navy or airforce
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I think we should just give them the scholarship in
Mar 30, 2014, 1:27 AM
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cash and don't make them go to class.
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way too much partner
Mar 30, 2014, 7:16 PM
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to be paying a bunch of athletes sitting around dorm rooms going to practice, studying, and playing video games. Who's got this kind of money? A few D1 schools at the top?
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