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Ultimate Tiger [35948]
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Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 12:07 AM
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Around 150 cases confirmed, 9 dead!
Old, weak, obese, over medicated?
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Ultimate Tiger [35114]
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Acid rain, street justice and anti-vax moms.***
Mar 4, 2020, 12:44 AM
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CU Medallion [20864]
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Based on your numbers ...mortality rate seems low***
Mar 4, 2020, 12:49 AM
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Ring of Honor [21354]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 12:50 AM
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Probably because there are lot more cases of the virus in the U.S. but we don't know it yet because our testing rate is so far behind other countries.
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Orange Elite [5493]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:43 AM
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Bull crap
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All-In [27366]
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No, the truth.***
Mar 5, 2020, 3:18 PM
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Legend [6719]
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All-In [10856]
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it’s supposed to be around 2%
Mar 4, 2020, 12:54 AM
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So you’re a little high at 3%. It will probably come down with a bigger sample size.
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Ultimate Tiger [35948]
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Re: it’s supposed to be around 2%
Mar 4, 2020, 1:15 AM
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Actually, according to this site, confirmed cases are 125...so I allowed some room on the sample size at 150.
If you check your math, 9 out of 150 is a whopping 6%!
Here’s the link to the latest update: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus-cases/ Tracking coronavirus: Map, data and timeline The tables below show confirmed cases of coronavirus (2019-nCoV, officially known as SARS-CoV-2 or COVID-19) in China and other countries. To see a distribution map and a timeline, scroll down. There are 93,103 confirmed cases worldwide, including 3,203 fatalities. We need your help: Join us on Patreon or support us with a one-time donation on […]
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All-In [10856]
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Trying to figure how how I got 3%
Mar 4, 2020, 1:21 AM
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I still think the sample size is way to small. Need closer to 1000 probably
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Ultimate Tiger [35948]
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CDC has to get more test kits out there
Mar 4, 2020, 1:24 AM
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Anybody looking at the current numbers has a right to be panicked.
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Clemson Conqueror [11362]
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Re: CDC has to get more test kits out there
Mar 4, 2020, 9:12 AM
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Are you panicking bro?
Are you an old fart with health conditions? If not there's little to worry about.
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Rival Killer [2641]
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Re: it’s supposed to be around 2%
Mar 4, 2020, 6:02 AM
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Most of the deaths are in Washington state from one nursing home.
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110%er [3695]
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Re: it’s supposed to be around 2%
Mar 4, 2020, 6:50 AM
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Uh , I will play along.. because none of the people who have the a Corona Virus in the USA caught it in the USA!! They went outside of the country and brought it back. Thanks To President Trump restricting Travel from China which is the epicenter of the virus the spread is still low.. I pray that it will remain that way.
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Gridiron Giant [15480]
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so all those folks in the nursing home
Mar 4, 2020, 7:03 PM
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had traveled to China?
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Ultimate Tiger [35948]
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Re: so all those folks in the nursing home
Mar 5, 2020, 10:27 AM
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Well I am old, and I do fart...but I didn’t travel to China and I’m not in a nursing home, so no reason to panic for me.
.....YET!
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Standout [321]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 12:58 AM
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Around 150 cases confirmed, 9 dead!
Old, weak, obese, over medicated?
According to TheRump, it's just a hoax put-out by the Democrats.
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Campus Hero [13509]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 7:03 AM
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Around 150 cases confirmed, 9 dead!
Old, weak, obese, over medicated? According to TheRump, it's just a hoax put-out by the Democrats.
Not what he said but you knew that already. He must be doing a great job if you have to make stuff up for your attacks
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:10 AM
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He actually did say that. The context is the only debate. He did call it a hoax though.
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Campus Hero [13509]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:26 AM
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He actually did say that. The context is the only debate. He did call it a hoax though.
He called the media portrayal the hoax which is true. Based on the stats in the last 30 days 1k Americans died of the standard flu but not a peep from the MSM
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:34 AM
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Because we have a vaccine for the flu. Also, the mortality rate for the flu is 0.1%. This other is 3.4% which is obviously 34 times more lethal. 1 in 1000 die from the flu. 3.4 in 100 die from this other one. One is shutting down factories, commerce, and supply chains worldwide and costing the world trillions and killing corporate profits. There will be a lot of lost jobs. 1 in 1000 wont change much behavior. 3.4 in 100 will change behavior. Apples and oranges.
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Heisman Winner [82170]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:01 AM
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Somehow this is Trump’s fault?
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:32 AM
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Not in my mind. What more could Trump do? What's there to blame him for?
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:52 AM
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Crap more people murdered in Chicago on a good weeknight
18,000 deaths from the flu
This is the MSM hoax Trump is talking about. Dems politicize everything
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Playmaker [368]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 11:39 AM
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True that more people die in Chicago; but they also have better pizza! See what I did there?
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TigerNet Elite [70989]
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So, for which old, white millionaire are you going to vote?
Mar 5, 2020, 5:18 PM
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All of your diverse candidates were not chosen to represent the "party of diversity" and "anti-establishment."
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Orange Elite [5161]
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Well when an outbreak occurs at a nursing home
Mar 4, 2020, 1:34 AM
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unfortunately deaths can be expected. Most everyone was way up in age or had underlying health issues. Simple explanation.
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Ultimate Tiger [35114]
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Tiger Spirit [9586]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 4:22 AM
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There is a coverup right now, or at least a hindering of keeping people informed because the infant-in-chief is more concerned with the stock market than a pandemic. Gross incompetence at the wheel.
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110%er [3695]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 6:54 AM
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You really need to find a better source for you news. There is no cover up.. President Trump has done and continues to do all that can be done to combat the virus..
Did you feel the same way when it was Obama and H1N1.... you live in the greatest country in the history of the world with the greatest healthcare system in the history of the world. Be thankful
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All-Pro [769]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 7:29 AM
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Please all he has done is put pressure on the fed and they cut interest rate a half of a percentage point. How many people did that cure? I'm sick of politics especially when it involves people's health.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [105933]
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You may be using hyperbole, I don't know. But if you think
Mar 4, 2020, 8:45 AM
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that's all he's done, then you're wrong and you need to get your news from an unbiased source. Hth
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Heisman Winner [82170]
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Re: You may be using hyperbole, I don't know. But if you think
Mar 4, 2020, 9:04 AM
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NPR and MSNBC seem pretty legit.
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 10:09 AM
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don't try and argue with stupid - They are just so bias they refuse to see the truth if it doesn't fit their liberal agenda.
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Game Changer [1849]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 9:03 AM
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Must be one of those indoctrinated/brainwashed students from all public schools today. They will never again in their lifetime see a better economy and work force than they have now an so they are clueless of how reality is. Why don't they drop down to a C from an A in their classes so the people that did nothing can have C too.
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Heisman Winner [82170]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 9:06 AM
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I don’t think public schools are allowed to give anything other than an A now because fairness and feelings.
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Orange Blooded [2316]
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Re: Here's my biggest issue with this
Mar 4, 2020, 8:43 AM
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Legally i'm not sure they can just give out that person's info. Besides with all the hysteria surrounding this virus, you'd probably have some moron try burn down their house.
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110%er [9905]
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Re: Well when an outbreak occurs at a nursing home
Mar 4, 2020, 3:31 AM
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5 of the deaths at a Seattle area nursing home. One case in NC now linked to same nursing home.
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Paw Master [16129]
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Part of it was the nursing home...
Mar 4, 2020, 3:24 AM
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The other was the fact that 60+ cases came from one cruise ship (AKA Virus incubator)
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All-TigerNet [10134]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 5:44 AM
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More than 50,000 people die from Common influenza every year. Why is no one talking a about this?
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Ultimate Tiger [35114]
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maybe we should call it the Dos Equis Influenza***
Mar 4, 2020, 5:48 AM
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 6:14 AM
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Because the Flu has been around and we have vaccines for the strains of it .
CV-19 is new and there's very little information on this variation of the coronavirus thus far .
As Americans , we're really into trendy new things . Especially if they're shiny .
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Rival Killer [2695]
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Re: Now a reasonable counterpoint. New Flu***
Mar 4, 2020, 6:16 AM
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Trainer [42]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 7:36 AM
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Around 50 million get the flu every year! Vaccines work really well! At least there are only around 50 thousand who die and hundreds of thousands that are hospitalized!
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Tiger Titan [48079]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:19 AM
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Most people that die from the flu didnt get the vaccine. Obviously the vaccine isn't full proof by any means, but the vast majority of the world do not get flu shots. Supposedly the flu shot is only just under 50% effective anyway though. Also, the studies show that the vaccine is less effective on people that get the shot every year.
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:54 AM
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For starters, they are guessing of which strains will be prevalent that season
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Rival Killer [2695]
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Orange Phenom [14642]
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Sorry but that argument is so dumb
Mar 5, 2020, 3:37 PM
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If Coronavirus spreads like the flu (and we don't know yet whether or not it can, but it is remotely possible), it would likely kill 20x more people than the flu.
I'm not saying everyone should panic, but this isn't something to just scoff at and turn into dumb political points.
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CU Medallion [20899]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 5:52 PM
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There is a ton of MSM coverage of influenza yearly, like clockwork, especially as it starts to cool off and spread in the fall and winter. Not as much talk right now due to a disease that we know little about and have little to combat it except for hygiene, which continues to spread, and is showing itself to be 20x more deadly than the flu.
There really isn't ever a good time, or right time, to panic. It's incredibly counterproductive.
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All-In [27366]
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They only test people that have a bad case.***
Mar 4, 2020, 6:24 AM
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Rival Killer [2880]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 6:39 AM
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It is more fatal for people 50+ and for those who have underlying health issues. Likely 50+ because more of that age group has health issues.
Majority of deaths in US have come from a nursery home where almost everyone is 70+ and all have some kind of health issue or compromised immune system.
There are surely hundreds if not more cases out there that weren’t tested or the person never even went to the doctor. These people would even out the math.
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110%er [3667]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 7:05 AM
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It is also doubtful the nursing home knew what they were dealing with before the deaths occurred.
Washington state officials acknowledged their state's first case just hours before the Evergreen home acknowledged five deaths.
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Rival Killer [2880]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:19 AM
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There could even be other deaths around the country that could be tested posthumously doubt they will though. Dying of pneumonia, organ failure or sepsis is not super uncommon during flu season for the very high risk
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All-American [596]
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anything that spreads through a nursing home...
Mar 4, 2020, 7:21 AM
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...full of people already close to death is going to produce a higher mortality rate.
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Clemson Icon [24102]
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State of Washington needs $$$ cut from protecting ILLEGALS
Mar 4, 2020, 7:31 AM
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Face it, that Gov has sued the Prez and lied at every turn
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:00 AM
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I thought about saying “go vomit your left wing garbage down some other sewer populated with others like you whose goal is to sew division and engender hatred in another left wing echo chamber” but then I thought it’s just too early in the morning so I’ll say “Go Tigers! Beat Va Tech!“
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Ring of Honor [21494]
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Because the virus hit a nursing home in Washington
Mar 4, 2020, 8:30 AM
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State and the virus spread among already weak patients.
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 8:39 AM
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Yes....
Can you imagine what that would do the population ? 9/150... or real estate ?
Go Tigers
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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the virus preys on the weak
Mar 4, 2020, 8:57 AM
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I have many plants in china and have tracked.
very few deaths have been to reasonably healthy people.
chinas data is going to be different than ours in the long run. in Wuhan - and for that matter - china in general - they do not have the level of medical support and sanitary conditions we have in the states. smog, eating habits, water, etc - all will deteriorate your health.
approx 20% of the china deaths (about 3k) are aged 50-60.
30% - 60-70
30% - 70+
very few have been to children.
virtually everyone that has died (not all) - has been sickly already in their life.
of the deaths in washington state - 4 were in a nursing home - thus older and weaker.
many of the deaths are also directly passed on from wuhan where the virus started.
normal flu is about 1% - although generally not addressed by the media.
the current thought on coronavirus is about 2.2% when most of the people are added. some pockets of higher - but that may be because they came straight from wuhan or the number of cases is still developing.
while it is an issue - no doubt - it is not a plague and the media is going a bit overboard. the last expectation i read was that the virus will end up hitting 70% of the world population. all will not be sick, and a small percentage of the weak unfortunately, will be critical.
wash your hands.
dont touch your mouth or eyes.
live your life. be smart - but you cant hide from it.
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Re: the virus preys on the weak
Mar 4, 2020, 9:46 AM
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normal flu is about 1% - although generally not addressed by the media.
The annual flu typically has a mortality rate of around 0.1% in the U.S.
https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-myths.html 12 Coronavirus myths busted by science There's plenty of nonsense about the coronavirus online. Here are some of the biggest COVID-19 myths out there and the science to explain why they aren't true. 12 Coronavirus myths busted by science There's plenty of nonsense about the coronavirus online. Here are some of the biggest COVID-19 myths out there and the science to explain why they aren't true.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: the virus preys on the weak
Mar 4, 2020, 10:24 AM
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yes, and no on the .1%.
for the usa - you are correct.
worldwide - it is much higher than that. there are 39 countries that are over 1%.
it is really difficult to find the "right" number. reporting in many countries is very sketchy and in many cases hidden.
best estimate is 650,000 die annually by flu.
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Orange Blooded [2490]
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Re: the virus preys on the weak
Mar 4, 2020, 10:34 AM
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Thanks for sharing. It is such a novel idea to post facts in a thread where so many seem so unencumbered by the thought process and just blame and politicize.
Bottom line for me:
Mortality rate for Covid 19 is higher than flu.
"Spreadibility" (R0) looks higher than the flu.
This is very early in the spread, so we don't have a lot of data; measurement and classification techniques have changed and a very specific subset of the population in the US is over-represented in the data.
Is that a fair representation of the article?
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sample size you have is too low***
Mar 4, 2020, 9:40 AM
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 9:47 AM
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Because it hit a nursing home in Washington - They account for most of the US deaths
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110%er [3814]
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That's Ok, AOC said we have 12 years (11 now I think) left
Mar 4, 2020, 9:50 AM
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Anyways...
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Orange Blooded [2470]
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Re: That's Ok, AOC said we have 12 years (11 now I think) left
Mar 4, 2020, 9:55 AM
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lol
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The last stats I saw reflected six (6) deaths...
Mar 4, 2020, 10:42 AM
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and most of the deaths occurred at the EvergreenHealth hospital in Washington state. All but one of the deceased were in the 70 to 80 year old range.
At least three of the people who died had been living at the same nursing facility that is now suspected of being the site of America's first outbreak of the coronavirus.
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 4, 2020, 11:47 AM
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I want to see actual numbers of the age group. I'd bet good money those people are 60 or older (at least 60%
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Dynasty Maker [3113]
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It largely affects/infects the elderly and infirm-
Mar 4, 2020, 6:32 PM
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-people already in poor health. It would be interesting to see how many of the same demographic would meet their demise from the "regular" flu. It might be pretty much the same. IMHO.
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 10:29 AM
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There are MANY more cases not confirmed.
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 3:42 PM
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Because 8 of those were all in one nursing home with average age over 80 years so many already had health issues. That's the same kind of rate for regular flu in nursing homes.
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We don't really know the true mortality rate
Mar 5, 2020, 3:51 PM
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The figures given are typically just a % of confirmed cases. The actual number of cases is much higher due to testing limitations and mild cases that likely resemble a cold.
How bad this gets in the US will really depend on the transmission of the virus. If it becomes widespread it has the potential to just overload our health system because many serious cases require hospitalization and breathing assistance. I read the other day that we only have like 50,000 of those machines in hospitals across the US with something like 10,000 more in reserve. It's not easy to get more of these and they are also very expensive and require trained personnel on staff around the clock to monitor.
So if we can keep the virus relatively under control our health care system should keep the mortality rate fairly low (possibly 1% or less), but if this thing sweeps across the country and number of people needing assistance surpasses the number that our healthcare system can handle, it could be much, much worse.
Just practice good hygiene. Wash your hands / use hand sanitizer, disinfect things that are more likely to pick up germs, shave off your flavor (or coronavirus) saver, etc.
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 4:35 PM
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that's roughly 5%, but keep in mind there are thousands of people here who've contracted it but have shown either no symptoms, or symptoms that were simply passed off as cold or flu.
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Rival Killer [2868]
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 7:31 PM
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Exactly right. There are probably many thousands more people walking around with the disease right now who are either asymptomatic, or they had what they thought was a cold or flu.
Saw an interview on Canadian television of a lady in Portland, OR. She said she never felt that bad, and would never had known she had it if she had not been tested. She was only tested because she was on a cruise ship on which there was a confirmed outbreak.
Sometimes common sense just goes out the window. TDS will do that.
Message was edited by: TigerOmally®
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Re: Why is U.S. CV19 mortality rate so high?
Mar 5, 2020, 8:09 PM
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Pediatrician here. We honestly have absolutely no idea what the true mortality rate is because we have no idea how many people have the infection. Right now the only people being tested are the sickest of the sick. The vast majority of people with COVID-19 have mild to moderate illness or may even be completely asymptomatic. Until we have more access to the test and are able to test a broader range of patients, we will have no idea of the true mortality rate. What we have now is a numerator without a denominator. But it is very safe to say that the true mortality rate is far lower than the rates currently being reported. And the true total infection rate is far higher than the rates currently being reported. That said, wash your hands and stay home if you're sick! Go Tigers!
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