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Who finishes with more wins? Clemson Football or Basketball?
Dec 21, 2015, 11:14 AM
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Can the basketball team get to 15 wins?
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Is this a fire Brownlee thread?
Dec 21, 2015, 11:18 AM
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It feels like a fire Brownlee thread.
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Oculus Spirit [93672]
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Re: Is this a fire Brownlee thread?
Dec 21, 2015, 11:40 AM
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It's probably a 'Get Dabo to coach our BB program,' thread.
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All-TigerNet [12505]
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He can recruit and has a hoop at his house
Dec 21, 2015, 11:57 AM
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I'd love to see how well we rebound and defend with Venables helping out. Just saying.
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CU Medallion [52399]
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I guarantee
Dec 21, 2015, 12:11 PM
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that with Venables as an assistant, the Tigers have what we used to call a "hatchet man."
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Letterman [291]
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Re: Who finishes with more wins? Clemson Football or Basketball?
Dec 21, 2015, 11:42 AM
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Basketball. The basketball team is exactly what I expected them to be which is slightly better than last years team IMO. I can never understand why fans expect us to be a powerhouse in basketball with mediocre admin and fan support. Even if we did fire Brownell we wouldn't be able to hire anyone better. In order for us to ever be great in Bball it will take a whole lot more support. Tommy Bowden had that support and played his role perfectly. He built up the program while sustaining very mediocre success long enough that a fresh face could come in an get us over the hump. Sadly Brownells best case scenario is about the same. It's going to take a lot more support from the fans for to get this program competing. Otherwise you will just end up replacing Brownell with someone who will have similar results. I don't think it's really fair to put it all on Brownell. The man can coach em up from what I can tell and not all his fault that he can't get 5 star guys to come play at a school with no tradition and no fan support. He will need to go one day simply because if you're mediocre for 10 years you still won't be able to bring in the five stars once your support and facilities catch up but a fresh face might and no sense in firing a man who is doing a good job and representing your university well when you do any better with a replacement.
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Orange Blooded [4596]
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Transfers
Dec 21, 2015, 1:25 PM
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While many harp on it as a negative, and it has hurt us to be sure, but I think that a sign things are ever so slowly moving in the right direction is the number of transfers.
BB recruits and signs the best players he can, and what I've seen is that in virtually every case where someone has transferred out of the program it has been because they saw the next guy coming in at their position and realized that their PT was going to drop precipitously.
So those transfers of kids from Clemson to much smaller schools to me represents a steady increase in the quality of players BB and staff are recruiting and signing. It *is* painfully slow to develop and may never get over the hump.
I'm not a BB pumper, but I'm not a dumper either. I guess I'm in the chicken-or-egg camp (i.e., success breeds more success) mixed with some of the "Who can we hire that can transform the bball program like Dabo has for football? And if you can name someone, how will they be persuaded to come here to take that job?"
The two guys before BB seem to me to have been boiler-room guys pumping up their own stock so they can cash in at the expense of the University and the program and the kids on the team.
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All-In [44050]
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We get a top coach to come here by showing him 3 things:
Dec 21, 2015, 1:46 PM
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-Great facilities
-A vision for Clemson basketball moving forward
-A clear message that Clemson admin and fans support basketball CONSISTENTLY
We currently have one of these three. The admin can gratify help with the other two by laying out a blueprint, and paying a competitive salary (in other words, more than we have historically been willing to pay).
We can do it. But we have to be willing.
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Re: Who finishes with more wins? Clemson Football or Basketball?
Dec 21, 2015, 11:46 AM
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I predict they finish even at 15. :/
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Orange Blooded [2594]
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Not touching that one.
Dec 21, 2015, 1:28 PM
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With a thirty nine and a half foot pole Mr Grinch.
GO TIGERS!
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Legend [16439]
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Basketball
Dec 21, 2015, 1:51 PM
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Want to bet?
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It could be close.
Dec 21, 2015, 3:50 PM
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Football with 14-15 wins
Basketball with 14-16 wins (not sure if we go better than 8-10 in conference play)
Best case scenario: Football with 15 wins and basketball with 18 wins
For the record, I have no strong opinion on Brownell. I certainly support all Clemson sports, would love a strong basketball program, but not the end of the world if we're a consistent middle of the pack conference team.
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