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Orange Blooded [4423]
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honest question: is trump the smartest president in modern..
Nov 1, 2018, 9:18 AM
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history?
I mean, he absolutely has polarized the left. Go to CNN or MSNBC there is not a single spot where you cant find his name or his picture.
Dont get me wrong, I dont agree with the way he handles and says certain things, but it is absolutely incredible to watch him outfox the media and the left (mutually exclusive) each and every day.
go ahead... debate....
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Oculus Spirit [97727]
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The left hates what they can't control.***
Nov 1, 2018, 9:20 AM
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Yes, that trait is exclusive to the left.
Nov 1, 2018, 9:22 AM
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The right totally LOVES THE SHIT out of things they can't control, because reasons.
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Oculus Spirit [97727]
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Freedom requires restraints on control
Nov 1, 2018, 9:29 AM
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Whole purpose of the Constitution was to disperse control, with three branches, 13 states (now 50), and a republican structure (not the party, but the mechanism of governance).
But again, our problem is systemic, not political.
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And the Republicans want to control all of those
Nov 1, 2018, 2:21 PM
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and now are actively wanting to change the constitution to favor them so if you say Freedom requires restraints on control, does the current political reality fit that requirement? Are we more free or less?
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All-In [46825]
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Trump isn't stupid like the Dems would have people believe.
Nov 1, 2018, 9:28 AM
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He isn't unstable either. He is embodying the exact traits his base wants and he knows this. A base that has been told for years that they are under attack and that the left are trying to take from them and thinks they are stupid. So he gives voice to those who have believed this. The truth doesn't matter because his base sees it as trolling the enemy.
The difference for those that don't like Trump is the belief that the presidency should behave with respect and maturity.
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Orange Blooded [4423]
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he has them in their heads so bad and he knows it...
Nov 1, 2018, 9:43 AM
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if you go to the front page of cnn right now, his name appears 13 times! they are obsessed with him. I flip b/t cnn and fox news each night and people like chris cuomo cant go 30 seconds without uttering his name.
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I watched Fox News when Obama was President
Nov 1, 2018, 10:04 AM
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they were no less obsessed. It kind of goes with the territory of being the leader of the opposition territory.
I watched for 15 minutes in the mid afternoon in an ace hardware once and they called Obama a socialist 15 separate times at least. And that was a news segment.
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You watched TV for 15 minutes in an ACE Hardware?
Nov 1, 2018, 12:53 PM
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... you might be a redneck.
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Oh, I'm definitely a redneck***
Nov 1, 2018, 1:02 PM
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I see you're one of those that enjoys
Nov 1, 2018, 10:26 AM
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that the sitting president says completely false statements to knowingly fool half of the base who takes his word as gospel no matter what and the other half of his base who thinks the president should be a troll.
I for one thinks the leader of our nation should have some tact.
But that's just me.
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Lot o points [155929]
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Trump has tact for days.
Nov 1, 2018, 10:27 AM
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He doesn't have decorum, and I think that's what you're talking about...if so, I tend to agree.
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ehhh, on second thought, maybe he doesn't.
Nov 1, 2018, 10:33 AM
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I usually think that a big part of tact is saying something with a purpose behind it, but in the sense that it implies using sensitivity and diplomacy, no he doesn't.
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It would be nice to have a president that
Nov 1, 2018, 10:31 AM
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lies less than your average 5 yr old. Even nicer if the 3 and 4 yr olds that support him didn't uh-huh and head nod at all his lies.
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Me?
Nov 1, 2018, 2:07 PM
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i think you need to re-read my original thread and my response to you. it said nothing about my belief or support in him
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All-TigerNet [11199]
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Polarity requires contrasting or opposite opinions, he has
Nov 1, 2018, 10:18 AM
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absolutely cemented the foundation of everyone to the left of middle. He has however, completely polarized political thought and discourse in this nation. Are you happy about it?
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Oculus Spirit [79429]
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I'd say he's more of a result of the polarized political
Nov 1, 2018, 10:34 AM
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thought and discourse, rather than a root cause. He's the inevitable push back from people who have been mocked and marginalized for 20 years now. It's still kind of amazing to me how this simple truth was forgotten so quickly after the election.
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He's certainly not the root cause, but like
Nov 1, 2018, 10:45 AM
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Nigel Tufnel, he's turned it up to 11.
It'd be nice to go back to the W years kinda acrimony. Sure there were media people that mocked him for being dumb, but we knew these people were idiots and dismissed them. Then Obama haters got a little worse, rhetoric ratcheted up a bit...throw is some racist shid and so on. Obama's arrogance didn't help things, but at the heart of it, we knew he and W were good people doing their level best at a dang hard job.
Now the rhetoric is at bird-flipping, mooning, drinkin'and shootin' levels with the fuggin politicians celebrating it.
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We the people get the politicians we deserve
Nov 1, 2018, 10:50 AM
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As Thomas Jefferson put it,
We in America do not have government by the majority. We have government by the majority who participate.
Unsurprisingly, fear will make white people participate
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LOL....seriously?
Nov 1, 2018, 10:50 AM
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"It'd be nice to go back to the W years kinda acrimony. Sure there were media people that mocked him for being dumb, but we knew these people were idiots and dismissed them."
Bull FS......what color is the sky in your world? Bush was called a murderer, treasonous, accused of either starting a war for oil, revenge, or enriching Haliburton. He was accused of being a racist and ignoring Katrina victims, and just about every other major character flaw you can imagine. The constant chants of him being dumb were brief respites from the more serious accusations. Every move the guy made was nitpicked, and it was by most on the left, not just "media people".
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That's my point, anybody media or otherwise, that
Nov 1, 2018, 11:03 AM
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yelped about murder, treason, etc were either being stupid or exaggeratingly political. We knew better how to drown out the idiots. I lived through Katrina, saw the destruction first hand. There's nothing historically comparable that could've possibly prepared any administration, pub or dem, for the appropriate response to satisfy everyone. We knew critics like these were idiots and said so.
Now this kinda shiddy heckling and political mooning is celebrated.
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It's all cyclical. Our divisions within the country are
Nov 1, 2018, 11:10 AM
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still nowhere near historical highs, but they're bad, and they've been bad before. I'm just looking at the recent era, but I think it started with Ken Starr.
Before that, libs didn't like Reagan and Bush I, but we all got along, and Pubs didn't totally like Bill but up until the end we all still got along.
The Lewinsky incident started the whole polarization (I think the investigation was an abuse of Special Prosecutor power, so shame on the pubs, and I think the "vast right wing conspiracy" narrative was typical Clinton schlock, so shame on the dems).
Then things really got turned to 11 with the way the 2000 election went down...it was a messy election, and I don't think the way Al Gore handled the defeat helped. Combine the two I just mentioned, and the left was out to make life he## on Bush and the right, no matter what happened, and they did it for 8 years.
Childish, right? So much so that the right doubled down on it and did the same thing to Obama and the left for his 8 years.
Now the tables have turned again, except this time there's a guy with no real interest in pacifying the detractors.
I'm just sort of curious what the event will be that will break the cycle, or if there will (or can) be such an event.
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I think you're missing one key person
Nov 1, 2018, 11:19 AM
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in the political rhetoric spectrum.
Newt Gingrich.
In my eyes, he's the founding father of the style of politics we see today.
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Lot o points [155929]
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Granted I had a good bourbon buzz most of the mid-90s
Nov 1, 2018, 11:22 AM
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but I don't really remember things getting ugly until the Starr investigation.
I remember Newt more for things like the "Contract with America" (lol) than for being a rabble rouser. It was dumb and they didn't live up to it, but it was still "here's what our side proposes to do for you" rather than the "here's why the other side is bad" that is pretty much the norm now.
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Re: Granted I had a good bourbon buzz most of the mid-90s
Nov 2, 2018, 1:31 AM
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Reread the "Contract with America". The Republican controlled house was responsible for Clintons good economy. Clinton forced 300,000 military personnel onto the street so he could say he shrunk Federal spending
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I hope it's a cycle near the end. I'm not sure what kind of
Nov 1, 2018, 11:22 AM
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event could precipitate a return to common sense and decency, but I hope it happens soon and with as little death/destruction as possible.
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I disagree.
Nov 1, 2018, 11:22 AM
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Suprise, huh.
The nation was highly polarized when Trump announced his run. He gave the middle class one thing they wanted, work. I'm not much for blaming past administrations but Obama's 'Bitterly clutching their guns and Bibles,' comment alienated a lot of voters. It wasn't the attack on guns or Bibles but showed his disrespect for a couple Constitutional rights and those who hold those rights dear.
I don't want to get in the weeds with this but if you're about gun control and don't Believe the Bible is the Word then you're not equipped to comprehend how venomous his statement was to those who do.
Trump just came on stage and contradicted Obama. It was that simple and the other thing his supporters wanted. I'm not sure if Trump believes his policies are right but I know he hit the nail on the head when he argued that most everything Obama did was wrong. Obama campaigning for Dems is one of the smartest thing Trump didn't do.
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Good ol' 88. I would imagine that there is more that
Nov 1, 2018, 11:50 AM
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we agree on that probably either one of us thinks...that would be the surprise.
I'm not discounting Obama's penchant for arrogance and he can out-smug Hillary on the smuggiest day of her life. But he's still a good person. The man arranged his travel schedule so he could be home at dinner with his girls as much as possible. Obama has his priorities in order.
Did the guns and Bible comment infuriate people so much that they were driven to give up their Christian morals to retort? Why in the world would Mike Pence, a man who proclaims religious virtue as his highest calling, cast his lot with a man that represents his personal antithesis? And then go on to do harm. Same with Jeff Sessions, whom I know personally. Most of our church members were greatly surprised to see him throw in with a man like Trump during the campaign. Now that were "winning" the same church members seem to be OK with every and all things Trump. Even immigrant family separations, when the parent/child relationship is the worldly representation of our individual relationship with God. I know if there were no hypocrites we wouldn't need churches, but c'mon people..St. Paul is gonna start writing letters again.
Trump's only priority is to himself, he is incapable of unselfish action or intention. Why would self-identified Christians support that?
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that’s not really a fair accusation.
Nov 1, 2018, 12:25 PM
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It’s been quite a while since Christians had a leader here on Earth who was without sin.
Each and every leader since the beginning of time has done things that went against the teachings of Christianity, and yet I don’t recall their supporters being automatically tossed out of the club.
That’s a cheap shot.
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We all have ###### in our sacred armor, but this is a guy
Nov 1, 2018, 12:52 PM
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without armor at all buying billboards and TV ads bragging about his transgressions as "winning" and wagging his peanus at passersby. This is not a person with a few faults, but a person with few, if any, redeeming qualities.
He's not the kind of person that you'd have to dinner unless you had to. If you had a daughter, would you like her to date/marry someone like this? Yet, outwardly Christian people embrace and celebrate the guy. Why?
I'd love to have a beer with Obama. It would be awesome if W and Laura came over to dinner. I'd even break bread with Bill and Hillary out of sheer fascination...with Bill in the farthest seat at the table from Mrs. Old Slac of course. HW Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon...all fascinating people in their personal qualities, not just their political.
But Trump is the biggest,loudest, boastful, self-centered a$$hole and self-proclaimed religious folks love him. Why?
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c-h-i-n-k-s, as in armor...not racist. Tnet AI needs help.***
Nov 1, 2018, 12:54 PM
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Lot o points [155929]
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People are selfish by nature, period.
Nov 1, 2018, 1:08 PM
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They support what/who they think supports them, period.
They also overlook a lot of flaws if they think they're getting that support.
If you disagree with where they place their support, I'd probably question their intelligence, motivations, political savvy, or basic understanding of how the world works, but I'm not sure it's grounds to question their piety.
All the leaders you'd have a beer with have come up just as short in the eyes of God as Trump has, but like you, I'd still have a beer with all of them, and I hope I'm no less of a Christian for it.
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Solid points. I know plenty of folks that consider
Nov 1, 2018, 1:30 PM
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themselves very religious that bit their lip and voted for Trump because of party affiliation or just that there was no fuggin' way they'd vote for Hillary. I understand that and was the latter. I don't get the overtly religious folks that celebrate him post-election, the cult of personality types. Again, if there were no hypocrisy we wouldn't need churches.
Trump is a different animal. I guess correct nomenclature for his predecessors would be a steady line of elephants and donkeys, while he is more of a giant, angry, insecure porcupine with a massive inferiority complex, slinging insults and invective in every direction. Can you imagine Reagan or Dubya opining to the world that a sitting congresswoman is LOW IQ! I can't.
We can have a good economy, sound immigration policy, and good conservative tax/spending decisions without the theater of dix and a$$holes.
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Agree.....and I'm not trying to get preachy.....
Nov 1, 2018, 1:39 PM
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I'm just trying to maintain the perspective that people in general are basically good, and operate from there.
In my simplistic way of thinking, that mindset would do a lot of us a lot of good as we relate to others....I think we've generally lost that mindset as a country. Now it's "people who think LIKE ME are basically good".
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I agree that people are basically good and basically selfish
Nov 1, 2018, 2:48 PM
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Trump is a malignant narcissist. I know one just like him and he hurts my step-children constantly all while screaming to the world how much he loves them.
Trump is NOT a basically good person. He's on his third wife. He's cheated on them all. He brags about sexually assaulting women. He relishes hurting people. He holds permanent grudges. He's the first president in my lifetime that I have nothing but animosity towards. He's literally never done one thing in office that appeared to me to be motivated by concern for other people.
I'm not saying his self-interest hasn't lined up with good results for other people sometimes, just that I have never seen even a shred of evidence that he is a decent human being. And he's the only public figure I've ever been able to say that about.
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just to be clear, my "good assumption" was in
Nov 1, 2018, 3:46 PM
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reference to his supporters (and other pol's supporters too for that matter), not him.
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I can't answer for Pence.
Nov 1, 2018, 2:12 PM
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I find it a little confusing that you don't see the conflict between me and those who think I'm bitter about clinging to my Bible. Obama wouldn't have said that about Muslims, Hindi or the Jewish and neither would you. We all know what he said and who he said it to. This isn't an issue as trivial as a job. Some of us recognize the three greatest gifts of God. Salvation, His divine presence and His Word, the Bible. I wouldn't be me without all three.
I'd guess I'm not alone.
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And Trump would never say that
Nov 1, 2018, 2:50 PM
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at least not now. But he's still not a Christian.
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I don't know remember a POTUS which I believed to be...
Nov 2, 2018, 7:44 AM
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a Christian. I don't select a POTUS on religion. That's religious discrimination and I do not believe it is right to judge others' spirit one way or the other.
We elected Trump because we believed he best represented us not because he claimed or we believe him to be Christian. If that were the case Pat Roberson would have gotten a lot more votes.
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Are you sure he was talking about you?
Nov 1, 2018, 5:00 PM
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From his 08 campaign speech in NorCal
"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
I don't think you're bitter, I think you're listening to some talking head extrapolate a theme and create something offensive from a campaign speech. Do your own thinking 88; it sure looks like Obama understands the reason for their bitterness is the repeated failure of these communities to regenerate under past administrations.
When times are hard, cling to what you know. Don't many of us draw closer to God and his word for comfort? I do.
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How bitter are you and how many guns do you own?
Nov 2, 2018, 9:35 AM
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You have very nice words but they are do not address Obama's statement. The language was to differentiate and separate the audience from those who oppose Obama's politics. It was slanderous to Christians to call us bitter and paint us as desperate turning to guns and Bibles for comfort. It was a demeaning insult.
Bitterness is an emotion. When someone calls you bitter they are saying your emotions control your judgement. I fail to see how a those who holds dear their Bibles can rightly be accused of antipathy since that very Bible instructs us to love even our enemies. Obama has no idea the value of the Bible or what motivates us to cling to it with or without adversity in our lives.
I have never seen a Christian who turned to his gun from desperation because he lost his job. I have no idea how he could say that.
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I am a Christian and I did not find it slanderous at all
Nov 2, 2018, 9:39 AM
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but keep on telling me how I feel, boss man.
And you are careening fast into arguing like an emotional person argues. Constantly changing tacts and looking for something that will justify your own preconceived notions.
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I don't feel insulted at all now or when he said it, there
Nov 2, 2018, 11:54 AM
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is just nothing at all demeaning or insulting about his words. He's not calling you bitter, unless your one of the disaffected residents of small town PA that has lost faith in their government. And if you are, he is stating that he understands why you are bitter.
I didn't vote for him, but Obama is not my enemy. He's not yours either. A man of your faith would certainly have more in common with him than the current resident of the WH.
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One response applicable to you and Ford.
Nov 5, 2018, 2:52 PM
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Check the voting from those disenfranchised PA voters who took issue with Obama's words.
As for Mr Ford.
I worked in construction for 45 years just like those people. I've been through two liberal big government expansion dems, Carter and Obama. Both stunk up the economy with regulations.
What line of work do either of you do that makes your opinion better than mine on how those blue collar folks perceived O's words? Say.
As far as my faith being similar to Obama's, had I ever sat in a church with Rev Wright and hear him ask God to dammn America you might be right about me and O having a similar perception of God.
Don't assume I'm bitter about anything. Don't assume I'm clinging to anything but God, his Holy presence and His Word.
Comparing one heathen to another isn't practical. I like Trump because we have similar political views. I don't like Obama because he and I don't. Nothing more and certainly nothing less.
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Those two things didn't have to be constitutional rights
Nov 1, 2018, 2:37 PM
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they just had to be what they were.
Don't pretend that the majority of people offended by those remarks care about the constitution and the rights it confers unless you are talking about a particular right they like. Many of the people offended by that remark were all for an EO to take out the 14th, have no problems with tort reform despite its impingement on the 7th, have no problem at all with how often the police violate the 4th amendment in the black community, and sure as hell don't have any problem with Trump occasionally threatening to take away press credentials.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Take care twisting truth.
Nov 2, 2018, 7:47 AM
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You might skirt lying.
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He's outfoxing people, but it's not the media per se....
Nov 1, 2018, 10:39 AM
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it's mostly his ardent supporters IMO.
There is a segment of his supporters that support him no matter what he says or what he does.
When he makes statements like "unknown middle easterners are mixed into the caravan" with no evidence to back it up (which he's now admitted...I wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt originally) he's doing that to manipulate his based on supporters...not the media.
His comments now about using an EO to reverse birthright citizenship right before the mid-terms...that's not to outplay the media...that's for his base. Many of these folks in this base would fight each other over who is the most conservative...yet fully support the POTUS trying to change existing law with an EO. The very thing these same folks would have jumped up and down (and rightly so) about Obama doing with the ACA.
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Heisman Winner [111614]
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absolutely not, it is not even close
Nov 1, 2018, 10:52 AM
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His entire point of beingis convincing people that he is smarter, richer, and more powerful than he really is. When things go well, he takes credit, when they go poorly, he points the finger at someone else. it is all bluster.
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Lot o points [155929]
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Translation:
Nov 1, 2018, 10:54 AM
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Trump is an amalgam of most of the negative traits of celebrities and politicians. He just has no shame about it.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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When you sell out the future for short term gain
Nov 1, 2018, 11:26 AM
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It does tend to look good in the short term.
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Heisman Winner [111614]
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Re: When you sell out the future for short term gain
Nov 1, 2018, 11:30 AM
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it is almost like the 70 and over crowd is trying to leverage us into even more debt so they can go out with a bang.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Lot o points [155929]
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pfffft, asks the guy who's on the wrong side of history.***
Nov 1, 2018, 11:33 AM
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Oculus Spirit [81061]
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Generational theft isn't a new thing.
Nov 1, 2018, 11:37 AM
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The "education" guy above acts like this is a new thing Trump invented, and we had balanced budgets and no debt prior to Trump getting in office.
We've been living on that credit card for awhile.
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Lot o points [155929]
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when I get to 60-65 and it’s all about that 401k/IRA balance
Nov 1, 2018, 12:33 PM
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You can bet your sweet ### I’m going to be mostly concerned about short term effects in the market.
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Legend [15492]
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No doubt Trump controls the media.
Nov 1, 2018, 1:07 PM
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They go after every shiny distraction that he throws out there. He uses and abuses them to great effect.
It's just a shame we elected a President instead of a Marketing Director.
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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Only if outfox means being a disgrace to the
Nov 1, 2018, 1:16 PM
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Presidency by saying stuff no human with with an ounce of dignity would ever say.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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A POTUS saying he wants to fundamentally change...
Nov 2, 2018, 7:51 AM
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America by distributing wealth is a disgrace to America. Thinking that the government has a right to levy a new tax at whim is a disgrace. Obama was a disgrace. Little he did to benefit America. The exception is waking the middle class to how radical we would become if we didn't speak up and put a stop to the dems in power.
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Oculus Spirit [83125]
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Yea, he raised taxes on the upper income earners
Nov 2, 2018, 12:27 PM
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from 35% to 39%. Ba$####.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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That was painful to all the jobs lost because...
Nov 5, 2018, 2:55 PM
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the industry had no confidence in Obama's economic policies. He also gave us Obamacare with is a redistribution of the wealth he took from the average working person when their insurance premiums increased and the fines paid for not buying Obamacare.
You could be a little more constructive so I'd have a bit more of a challenge defending my statements.
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Re: honest question: is trump the smartest president in modern..
Nov 2, 2018, 12:54 PM
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He's easily the most corrupt President, but I've never believed that being good at corruption or crime makes you a genius.
And he's set to lose the House in a few days. The bigger story is that his party looks to be in line to get smacked hard in local and state races, which are extremely important.
So no, he's no genius.
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Trump is very smart...
Nov 5, 2018, 2:21 PM
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In certain areas. And one of those is making sure his name and persona is in the conversation constantly. He's done that for decades.
The problem is, some of y'all think that's a good thing. It's smart when you're a reality TV star or trying to sell real estate. But doing it at the cost of our nation and to "own the libs" is going to be disastrous in the long run.
But in many other areas of life, he's an idiot. Like vocabulary. And over-inflated ego.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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He's a magician when it comes to distracting.
Nov 5, 2018, 3:01 PM
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Most people don't realize how many conservative federal judges he's seated or even consider him bypassing congressional courtesy and sending a conservative fed judge to DIFI's district.
I don't always like him being so outspoken but pawing the MSM by fighting back at their spin with his spin is fair as rain, that I like. It makes them angry and out of control.
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