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POTUS just vetoed Keystone Pipeline bill...
Feb 24, 2015, 3:43 PM
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can anyone give a good reason why we shouldn't allow this pipeline?
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BECAUSE BARRY DOESN'T WANT IT!
Feb 24, 2015, 3:44 PM
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LEAVE BARRY ALONE!
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The Lakota Sioux have promised to go to war
Feb 24, 2015, 3:45 PM
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To keep the Great Black Snake off their reservation.
So we got that to worry about.
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Give them another casino and they'll shut up***
Feb 24, 2015, 10:20 PM
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No...it's a real proposal for a pipeline.....
Feb 24, 2015, 4:06 PM
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it is a political football of sorts, but that doesn't discount that it's a real project. Private entities want to build a pipeline in our country and hire our works and buy a lot of materials from us and ship oil to our refineries/ports, and on and on...
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Legend [18024]
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The benefit is exaggerated as are the dangers
Feb 24, 2015, 4:09 PM
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Who said it's not a real proposal?
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Because you dismissed it as something there is no point....
Feb 24, 2015, 4:11 PM
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being for or against.
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Legend [18024]
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There really isn't. The impact will be slight either way
Feb 24, 2015, 4:15 PM
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the importance it's being paid in the political arena doesn't match with the real world effect it will create on the country.
Oil is already being moved by other pipelines and trucks/trains (which are less safe than pipelines) and it won't create anywhere near the jobs the republicans are saying it will.
So both sides are exaggerating and fighting over something that is, at the end of the day, pretty pointless. A great example of our partisan Government at work.
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'cept it's not really partisan. Not in today's sense....
Feb 24, 2015, 4:59 PM
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anyways.
They're not too far away from having votes to over-ride the veto.
If it won't really result in that many jobs, why are the unions coming out so much in favor of it, especially considering the opposition from the WH?
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Legend [18024]
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Jobs are good for leadership (and the workers) of Unions
Feb 24, 2015, 5:41 PM
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and Obama was close to passing the bill before he started siding with environmental groups. Take that for however you wish.
Personally, I think Obama should let the bill pass. It's not worth the capital spent to block it. If I was him I'd pass it and use it as a bargaining chip later. It would actually have more value that way and depending on what you bargain for, it could actually have a long-term impact on the country.
As for the jobs,
http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2015/jan/23/john-cornyn/cornyn-says-keystone-pipeline-through-texas-create/
"If the entire pipeline is built, the U.S State Department has said, the result would be 3,900 jobs in place for two years and a total of 42,100 positions, PolitiFact in Washington, D.C. has noted, though the definition of a job in this sense is a position filled for one year. This total reflects both jobs created directly as a result of construction and manufacturing for the pipeline -- about 3,900 annual positions over two years -- as well as spin-off jobs supported by construction workers who purchase materials for the project or spend their wages in the economy. Much of the construction work would come in four- or or eight-month stretches. After full construction, the pipeline would employ a lesser number, primarily for maintenance. The total number of projected long-term jobs: about 50.
And remember we won't see an economic impact from the oil which is already being transported by other pipelines and trucks/trains. So the question is long-term ecological impact vs short-term jobs.
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From what I've read, the pipeline would not simply be....
Feb 24, 2015, 8:11 PM
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supplying oil that is already coming in...at least not in the long-term.
And does it really make sense to you that a pipeline that long would only need 50 people for maintenance? Heck, we're working on 10-12 substations alone tied to the pipeline if it's cleared and I'm sure there are a lot more than that needed. There are some HUGE pumps needed to run this thing.
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But, it's the Daily Show, you know...
Feb 24, 2015, 5:09 PM
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so an interesting and popular idea that the right (and some of the blue- collar left) supports and a lot of the environmental and progressive left opposes- and which the President would veto- has got to simply be a wedge issue and not something legitimate. Also, somehow the fact that it's a "non-issue" means the anti- Keystone side is better than the pro- Keystone side... or something.
Anyway, it's all a hash, and Jon Stewart knows better than everyone.
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Legend [18024]
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Nonsense or is this a parody?
Feb 24, 2015, 5:33 PM
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I need to know how ridiculous to take your post before I respond in kind.
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You already know I don't care for Jon Stewart***
Feb 25, 2015, 4:18 PM
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Left-wing environmentalists have told Barry
Feb 24, 2015, 4:01 PM
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he would get NO MONEY from them for his Prez Library if he allows the pipeline.
True dat...
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Oculus Spirit [78892]
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because we are already moving the oil
Feb 24, 2015, 4:02 PM
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with trucks and trains
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That would be motivation for the pipeline, no?***
Feb 24, 2015, 4:05 PM
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110%er [8243]
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If you own the trucks and trains, no.
Feb 24, 2015, 4:08 PM
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Who owns those? Someone who has the president's ear, no doubt. Probably one of these guys:
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I'm not sure it's completely true that all of the oil....
Feb 24, 2015, 4:10 PM
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would be moved in the pipeline is currently moved by train and truck in the US now.
Anyways, the unions are very much for the pipeline...they're also pretty active in the trucking/rail industry 
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That would be Obama's political reason for veto.***
Feb 24, 2015, 4:22 PM
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I just knew somehow the Koch bros had to be behind this
Feb 24, 2015, 5:12 PM
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Them, climate change, or the super secret religious right.
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I bet it's an Obama and Jon Stewart conspiracy
Feb 24, 2015, 5:42 PM
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all part of the "fundamental transformation of America"
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Re: I bet it's an Obama and Jon Stewart conspiracy
Feb 24, 2015, 5:54 PM
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Stewart's a Muslim too.
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circle jerk is that way fellas ---->>>>***
Feb 24, 2015, 8:20 PM
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Especially the ones from Central Canada to Vancouver***
Feb 24, 2015, 4:12 PM
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Obama and the environmentalist wackos. That's the reason***
Feb 24, 2015, 4:10 PM
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brcause of the daily show & jonny stewart!!!!***
Feb 24, 2015, 9:44 PM
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Re: POTUS just vetoed Keystone Pipeline bill...
Feb 24, 2015, 10:56 PM
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I don't know that it's really of any importance one way or the other. So I'd say don't allow another source of oil spills.
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Re: POTUS just vetoed Keystone Pipeline bill...
Feb 25, 2015, 7:11 AM
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Pipeline spills are very rare relative to the huge volume of products moved over them. Train movements of crude are causing lots of pronlems mainly death and destruction. Of course, Warren Buffett owns a nig railroad that moves oil and he pays Obama and the Demos and they pay him back.
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Re: POTUS just vetoed Keystone Pipeline bill...
Feb 25, 2015, 9:58 AM
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You're saying we should build the pipeline because it's less awful than using trains? Not a ringing endorsement.
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Re: POTUS just vetoed Keystone Pipeline bill...
Feb 25, 2015, 8:04 PM
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Pipelines are the safest, most efficient way to move liquids and gases domesticallly. That is why the government should get out of the way.
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Re: How is it not of importance?....
Feb 25, 2015, 12:56 PM
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I don't know whether this pipeline will reduce spills from other delivery systems. If you know something I don't about that, educate me.
How is it not of importance?....
Because I don't give a #### about it. It will make approximately zero difference in my life whether it gets built.
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It might leak***
Feb 25, 2015, 5:28 AM
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And then again, it might not.***
Feb 25, 2015, 8:26 AM
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Everything will. Nothing is risk free. The reality is
Feb 25, 2015, 10:30 AM
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our industrialized economy must have crude oil. It cannot exist without it. The only question is, what is the least cost way to get it from the ground into the economy. And least cost would include the safest way, for the obtuse among us.
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Great, so we've put the "it might not leak" issue behind us,
Feb 25, 2015, 10:31 AM
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which is nice.
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It was never a real issue. Well, except maybe among libs.***
Feb 25, 2015, 10:33 AM
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Hm, you got into the issue 2 hours ago. You must be a lib.***
Feb 25, 2015, 10:35 AM
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Can't detect humor? Must be a liberal.***
Feb 25, 2015, 10:58 AM
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The "I was just kidding" defense? Must be a n00b.***
Feb 25, 2015, 11:29 AM
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What's wrong? Need attention this morning?***
Feb 25, 2015, 11:43 AM
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You were wrong, it's okay.***
Feb 25, 2015, 12:51 PM
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You do realize that the taxpayer isn't paying for this....
Feb 25, 2015, 10:24 AM
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right? This is simply the authorization to allow the pipeline to be built by private entities, since it crosses the border.
so...
1. It's not a choice between "this and that". Approving the pipeline has nothing to do with keeping "him" from doing anything on infrastructure. Further...an oil pipeline IS infrastructure and it reduces the amount of strain on the rail and highway system!
2. ok...what's that got to do with approving the pipeline
3. NYT C&P...did not read
4. typical gibberish
But I will commend you for at least trying to give a substantive reply. Maybe you're "progressing".
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Legend [18310]
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But,
Feb 25, 2015, 11:58 AM
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we taxpayers will suffer from the devastation caused by such a monster. Let the "private entities" build a transcontinental pipeline across Canada to each coast and help the maritime industry which would benefit greatly from the business. Why screw up my beloved USA and the food basket Middle West? Wake up and smell the coffee.
I rechecked my message for the absence of hate, whining, personal insults, and profanity. I include my love and hope that radicals see the light and join us.
Go Tigers, it's just Wofford but Jack and his team need the win.
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Devastation? What devastation?***
Feb 25, 2015, 12:03 PM
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Re: Devastation? What devastation?***
Feb 25, 2015, 12:27 PM
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Don't you like corn, wheat, beef, and other agricultural products produced by the Midwestern states? Why don't we just eliminate NASCAR (wow, this is going to cause a howl) and other race programs? That would be constructive and go a long way toward helping keep the Midwest productive and decreasing our fuel needs.
Message edited for absence of hate, profanity, the increase in love for our great country.
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Orange Blooded [3590]
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Wut?***
Feb 25, 2015, 12:38 PM
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What devastation are you referring to specifically?....
Feb 25, 2015, 1:47 PM
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you do know the US is covered in pipelines now, right? Do you think all of those pipelines cause "devastation"?
So, with this knowledge you didn't seem to have prior to you post, do you care to change your response?
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Re: What devastation are you referring to specifically?....
Feb 25, 2015, 2:06 PM
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It will be a huge stationary permanent target for terrorists, leaks are inevitable, explosions are a threat, oil doesn't do much for arable cropland. I hope we don't have to see this if the veto is not overridden. Don't just post "wut!" now, just please reconsider your position.
Go Tigers. Message edited for absence of hate, slander, etc.
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As usual, you didn't address the point that it's....
Feb 25, 2015, 2:40 PM
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a pipeline....similar to all of the others that we have as shown in the map I linked to.
Why would this one cause such environmental "devastation" and the others don't? Can you point me to sources for all of the crop land being destroyed now?
And...as usual, you're confused...I haven't posted "wut!" to you.
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I posted "wut" because I didn't know what he was saying***
Feb 25, 2015, 2:47 PM
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Of course...just making the point that it wasn't me***
Feb 25, 2015, 2:48 PM
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Who needs that much....***
Feb 25, 2015, 4:27 PM
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