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TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 10:59 AM
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have to do this year to be considered Clemson's greatest QB ever?
I say win 10+ games, win the division, and beat the Coots.
Statistically he's the best IMO (for a 2-year starter he has staggering stats) but he's had the misfortune of facing USuCk's 2 best teams EVER in my opinion (neither of these lost to a ###### Navy team).
What say you?
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If nothing else, he HAS to beat USuck***
Mar 7, 2013, 11:00 AM
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Agree
Mar 8, 2013, 11:45 AM
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Other CW still rains supreme.
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Re: TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 11:01 AM
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Beat Carolina on their turf.
I don't care what your stats are, you can't go 0-3 against your rival and be considered the GOAT.
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Re: TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 11:03 AM
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#1 beat SCar. A large % of Clemson people will never consider you one of the greats if you can't accomplish that.
#2 win another the big games ACC title, BCS game. Championships are what separate great players.
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Re: TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 11:12 AM
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Didn't Whitehurst beat the chickens FOUR TIMES??? I think Boyd had better hurry to beat that record.
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10+ wins, win the ACC, and beat USC
Mar 7, 2013, 11:21 AM
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I find it hard to accept that our greatest ever would walk away with only one conference title and no wins against South Carolina.
Statistically, Whitehurst or Dantzler is probably our greatest QB of all-time. Tajh can put them both to rest if he walks away with two ACC titles and our second BCS bowl game in three years.
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Yes, but Whitehurst & Dantzler have 0 ACC champsionships.
Mar 7, 2013, 12:25 PM
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Great stats and beat SCAR, but couldn't win ACC.
Tajh will pass them both in stats this year (well, he won't pass Woody in running, but that is OK, that is pretty hard to reach).
If he beats SCAR and gets another ACC championship for the team then he is in Homer Jordan territory (who had 3 SCAR wins, 2 ACC championships, and 1 NC).
If he can add a NC he passes Homer Jordan even with only 1 SCAR win I think.
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Which illustrates the absurdity of the whole "How many
Mar 7, 2013, 1:15 PM
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championships does he have?" argument.
Charlie and Woody were unquestionably great QBs at Clemson, and were obviously better than some QBs who did "win championships"; they just weren't surrounded with championship talent, and that makes a huge difference.
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Exactly***
Mar 7, 2013, 4:19 PM
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To the point though, as history passes Tajh will be judged
Mar 7, 2013, 1:29 PM
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on "his" record against uSC as well as his other accomplishments, which are easily enough to put him near or at the top by themselves.
Let's face it though, while their defense has been pretty stout since he took over, he nonetheless has not fared well against uSC, and has seemingly played a little bit scared at that. He needs to end that this year and play like the guy we saw in the Chic-Fil-A bowl and other games.
Have another year like he's had, AND beat the chickens, then Tahj jumps to the top of the heap in my opinion. But with another loss to the chickens, I'm afraid the court of public opinion will not put him at the top regardless of his other accomplishments.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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It wasn't Whitehurst or Dantzler's fault they didn't have...
Mar 7, 2013, 4:18 PM
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any acc titles or 10 win seasons. We all know the reason why that didn't happen for them and that is TB. If it wasn't for Dantzler we would have went 3-8 in 2001.
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Also, Whitehurst and Dantzler didn't run as up tempo offense
Mar 7, 2013, 3:50 PM
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as this team.
This no doubt inflates Tajh's stats to some degree...NOT to say Tajh isn't one of our greatest QBs ever. He still has to get those 1st downs to keep the chains moving.
I still can't help but wonder what the Chad would do with a QB like Dantzler along with the other weapons we have. Our offense would be d@mn near unstoppable with practically a RB at the helm who just happens to be able to throw the ball.
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The RichRod/Dantzler offense was pretty fast paced***
Mar 7, 2013, 4:00 PM
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You're right...completely forgot about RichRod
Mar 7, 2013, 4:08 PM
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His tempo was actually probably faster than the Chad's...
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I think they changed a rule
Mar 7, 2013, 4:22 PM
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which forces there to be more time between snaps than there was then.
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You're right, and it was rule based solely off of Clemson...
Mar 7, 2013, 4:31 PM
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at the time there were very few teams playing that uptempo style.
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All-TigerNet [14090]
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Under Dantzler, we ran at a faster pace under RichRod...
Mar 7, 2013, 4:21 PM
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than we have with Boyd. Oh my, how some people forget their football history. If you could remember correctly, it was Dantzler under the direction of RichRod that brought on the rush of up tempo zone read spread offenses into college football.
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Forget? I was on the brink of hitting puberty old man....;)***
Mar 7, 2013, 4:33 PM
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If Tajh wins a national title he will be the best ever….
Mar 7, 2013, 4:23 PM
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because he would would have his overall playmaking ability to go along with a national title and that would make him the best.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Absolutely
Mar 7, 2013, 4:27 PM
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and to do that he'd have to beat South Carolina in 99.5% of situations.
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that .5% would be like that one year, when….
Mar 7, 2013, 4:29 PM
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there were no undefeated or one loss teams. Unlikely to happen. So winning a national title for Tajh means beating the shamecocks.
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Orange Blooded [3788]
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Exactly
Mar 7, 2013, 4:32 PM
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that or only 1 undefeated team and there are multiple upsets in the last week/conference championship games.
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Re: TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 4:24 PM
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#1. Beat SCar. No QB can be the greatest Clemson ever without beating SC.
#2. Another ACC Title. 2 ACC titles would look great on the resume.
#3. Win 10+ games
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#1. Just win the MNC which pretty much means 1-3 happened 
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Re: TI poses interesting question: What does Tajh
Mar 7, 2013, 8:07 PM
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1. Run the table next year
2. Beat the Dirtpeckers in their house in November
3. Bring home Hardware from Pasadena
Do it Tajh.....and you join the Ring of honor!
ALL IN!!!
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run the table....that's a tough standard but it's the one
Mar 7, 2013, 8:09 PM
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that Homer has over them all...you've got to run the table.
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Re: run the table....that's a tough standard but it's the one
Mar 8, 2013, 11:29 AM
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He doesn't have it over the QBs of the 1900 and 1948 teams
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Without anyone taking offense here I'll just say...
Mar 7, 2013, 8:25 PM
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He passes as well as anyone we've had and I believe he is just as tough physically as any I've seen in 30 years.
I think he need some really good run blocking to get about a 1K yards on the ground to go with 3K+ passing and a NC to remove all doubt that he's the best we've every had.
It's really difficult to compare guys from the past with those present. The game has changed along with legnth of a season and quality of our opponents so no one should take offense with my contentions.
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That is true. Also as far as the team's success goes and how
Mar 8, 2013, 11:55 AM
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well the QB is remembered, the defense has got to play a role in that you'd think. Just think of how many games we would have won with a Deandre McDaniels, or a William Perry last season. The D definitely helps the win percentage which, as you can see, can cloud the perception of success (at least nationally, maybe not in Clemson) of someone like Boyd.
Anyway, main point is there are so many variables that it is very difficult, and quite frankly, inaccurate to compare two players from different eras. Times change along with rules and quality of opponents...there is no consistency to judge these guys off. This was an interesting topic discussed on James Thurn.
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