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All-In [45047]
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So now we need to take the flag off the state house grounds?
Jun 22, 2015, 4:33 PM
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Wasn't there a compromise a few years back between supporters of the flag and those that wanted it down to put it where it currently is?
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CU Medallion [56092]
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This is the first I'm hearing about it.
Jun 22, 2015, 4:34 PM
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Link?
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Re: So now we need to take the flag off the state house grounds?
Jun 22, 2015, 4:35 PM
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Why is it flying on our state grounds? Didn't the people flying that flag lose? Its a flag for losers.
#Murica
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Man, calling 289,000 people that died "losers"
Jun 22, 2015, 4:40 PM
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#SoBrave
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Re: Man, calling 289,000 people that died "losers"
Jun 22, 2015, 4:41 PM
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They lost. What would you like for me to call them? Thank your God they lost too or our world would be even worse.
#progress
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Ignorance is bliss, pal***
Jun 22, 2015, 4:44 PM
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Re: Ignorance is bliss, pal***
Jun 22, 2015, 4:46 PM
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Delusion is bliss, pal.
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What exactly am I saying that is delusional?
Jun 22, 2015, 4:50 PM
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The fact that hundreds of thousands of people died for that flag, defending the constitution?
The political whitewashing of America that has been going on for the last decade?
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Re: What exactly am I saying that is delusional?
Jun 22, 2015, 5:09 PM
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They lost. The union was held. Very glad I don't live in the Confederate States of America.
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So nothing to do with my argument?
Jun 22, 2015, 5:12 PM
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Or the points I am making? Got it.
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Re: So nothing to do with my argument?
Jun 22, 2015, 5:31 PM
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The argument that 289,000 people died fighting on the losing side? What day does Germany honor the Nazi's? I can't remember.
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You need to read a book.***
Jun 22, 2015, 5:42 PM
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Re: You need to read a book.***
Jun 22, 2015, 6:11 PM
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I've read plenty. Why don't you give me a quick break down of why we succeeded. And please don't say the block-aids.
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Re: You need to read a book.***
Jun 22, 2015, 6:26 PM
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*seceded
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Slavery was not illegal in 1861
Jun 23, 2015, 8:13 AM
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Yet the national government was trying to tell individual states what they could and could not do. King Cotton was the biggest export at the time and people all across the country, including those in northern states, were making money off of it. You act like slavery and severe racism only happened in the Southern states and that us backwoods country rednecks were the only ones that had our hands in the slave trade.
I am a firm believer in the Constitution (which seems to put me in the minority these days) and until December of 1865, the 13th Amendment did not exist. This was one of the first times the federal government of the United States attempted to take away individual State's rights because at this time, the federal government was weak (as it should be, based on the constitution) and many states believed that the federal government lacked the control is was trying to achieve.
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All of the families of German soldiers honor those that
Jun 23, 2015, 8:07 AM
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fell during WWII, as they should. There is a severe difference between the Nazi soldiers and your typical German soldier of WWII. It was either fight for your country or be executed. Those soldiers were fighting for their county. The majority of the population had no idea about the concentration camps or the atrocities that Hitler was conducting behind the scenes. A life lost is a life lost, whether fighting for a losing cause, a winning cause, a right cause or a wrong cause.
I had a grandfather that fought in WWII for Germany and who died shortly thereafter. I consider him a hero.
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So it wasn't the draft that made them do it?
Jun 22, 2015, 4:54 PM
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Think about all those willing northerners that almost burned NYC to the ground and all the blacks that were killed and hung in the city in July 1863. Those fighting for the north didn't give a #### about freeing the slaves. They didn't want to fight for blacks. They were forced to fight Abe's war.
Educate yourself before you spit so much ######## that has been stuffed into your brain
http://www.history.com/news/four-days-of-fire-the-new-york-city-draft-riots
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In school, I was taught that
Jun 22, 2015, 4:57 PM
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There was a war about slavery and the good guys won and everyone is happy.
California in the 70's
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It's still basically taught that way today.***
Jun 22, 2015, 4:59 PM
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Some probably did
Jun 22, 2015, 5:50 PM
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Just like some probably didn't fight for the south to preserve slavery.
Attitudes and actions related to slavery at the time were a lot more complex than they are today. That's not to say that our attitude towards slavery should be anything more than a simple rejection, but to point out that the real, historical people that were involved in it can't easily be categorized as good guys or bad guys. I was just reading about John Randolph and his opposition to slavery and belief that Africans brought to the US should be free. Randolph was also active in working to find free African former slaves a country of their own in Africa. But Randolph owned over 300 African slaves and only freed them in his will after he died. So what should we think of John Randolph?
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I'm with Gov Haley - take off that flag!***
Jun 22, 2015, 5:17 PM
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At least she's a Christian***
Jun 22, 2015, 5:18 PM
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She's a politician so she's whatever anyone wants her to be.***
Jun 22, 2015, 7:06 PM
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Jun 22, 2015, 7:13 PM
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I think he's referring to the pic. Doubt she's a politician! lol
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Oculus Spirit [83127]
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Sure but the compromise isn't for life. They passed a bill
Jun 22, 2015, 6:04 PM
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putting it there, but just like any bill or law, it can be voted on again as the same bill or as another bill.
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