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Orange Blooded [2533]
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FFRF is cooked meat at this point. Lashed by Supreme Ct:
May 5, 2014, 11:43 AM
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major ruling, allowing town council to have Christian prayer before meetings. "As long as it doesn't denigrate others or proselityze." Also, rooted in "fabric of country and not first amendment". Etc, etc.
An apology from FRFF is not likely, but would be appropriate.
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Satan doesn't give up that easy***
May 5, 2014, 11:44 AM
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vegas got odds? i got a hondo taking satan & the points...***
May 5, 2014, 11:47 AM
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Re: vegas got odds? i got a hondo taking satan & the points...***
May 5, 2014, 11:51 AM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Well they definitely ain't the work of God
May 5, 2014, 12:28 PM
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so who else does that leave?
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110%er [5156]
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I think they're a fringe, wannabe watchdog group..
May 5, 2014, 12:43 PM
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comprised of folks with ultra-progressive reading of the bill of rights.
But the way that Christians on this board turn this into some kind of moral crusade or epic, supernatural war is hilarious.
A Wisconsin group of busy-bodies wrote a letter.
The End.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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I'm not debating that they are a smaller group, but
May 5, 2014, 12:48 PM
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if they are actively going after Christianity then it's not hard to connect the dots and say they are indirectly or directly doing the work of Satan.
The size of the group/organization doesn't matter as far as to ascertain what they are trying to achieve
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110%er [5156]
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But they're not "going after Christianity."
May 5, 2014, 12:55 PM
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They're going after Dabo because, in their very fringe reading of the Constitution, he is violating the law.
They are wrong, and poor Constitutional scholars.
They're not (in this case) waging a holy war.
They're just incorrect.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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They went after Pickens County last year for opening
May 5, 2014, 1:01 PM
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meetings with a simple prayer. Unfortunately Pickens County doesn't have a back bone and acquiesced to their demands.
They explicitly go after Christian customs and groups from everything I've seen. I have yet to see them go after a Muslim or other religion, if they have I would be very interested in reading that article/link.
They are waging a little holy war of their own against Christianity and shrouding it in misconceptions based off the 1st ammedment.
All the FFRF is are bullies, if they were truly worried about what they say they're worried about, they would sue the US Senate, cause they open with a prayer every day along with going after our Pledge of Allegiance, our money, national seals, etc...
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CU Medallion [61842]
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Yep ... their grief is with Christians and maybe some
May 5, 2014, 1:13 PM
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directed toward the Jews. But, Christians are the focus of their angst.
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110%er [5156]
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But again, their beef is with the public use/expression
May 5, 2014, 1:26 PM
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of religion. They're wrong.
I'm just telling you that what they're doing is not so much out of a hatred of Christianity as a really silly, ill-supported reading of the Establishment Clause.
When you guys elevate their actions to the level of Saladin, you look a lot like the boy who cried wolf.
Clemson's response of (pretty much) "LOL. Whatever. Think we've got it covered, thanks," was perfect.
You guys cast them in a light of undeserved legitimacy.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Haha I do see you point and the angle you're coming from
May 5, 2014, 1:35 PM
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and I thoroughly enjoyed Clemson's official response, although I wished they had used more of the "mind your own bizzness" lingo.
And while I'm not intentionally elevating them to the status of the Muslims killing Christians in Africa right now, I still hold to my previous statement that if you are actively going after Christianity then you definitely aren't doing the work of God, and thus indirectly doing the work of Satan.
Of course some people would say these are theological nuances, I would argue it's not as difficult to see
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110%er [5093]
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Or maybe God is using them to fight a
May 5, 2014, 1:43 PM
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Against Christians who fight these unnecessary battles and try to force Christianity down others throats instead of trying to build a relationship with nonbelievers?
A public prayer before a government meeting is only meant to incite others. It serves no purpose and is a waste of time crying over if it's taken away.
If you don't trust yourself to make a christian based decision without praying to God in public before the meeting, you might want to reevaluate your relationship with God.
You're only pushing nonbelievers away by giving us all this stigma that prevents us from sharing our faith when others are ready.
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110%er [5156]
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That's just true.
May 5, 2014, 1:49 PM
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Most public prayers are done merely out of tradition or as a means of "solemnizing" an event.
That doesn't necessarily make it ok, but the notion that people in an overwhelmingly Christian area would institute a prayer to pi$$ off the one nonbelievers there is pretty obtuse.
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110%er [5156]
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Just NOT true. Jeeze.****
May 5, 2014, 1:49 PM
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110%er [5093]
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Then why are they fighting it
May 5, 2014, 1:57 PM
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If it isn't a big deal and just tradition?
If you know it offends someone why would you do it if you admit it isn't necessary?
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Because this nation was founded on Christian/Judeo values
May 5, 2014, 2:02 PM
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and people don't have a right to not be offended by something. So they can deal with it
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110%er [5156]
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Meh, now you're the one oversimplifying.
May 5, 2014, 2:09 PM
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To say that our nation was "founded upon Christian values" is nearly useless and meaningless.
Yes, a majority of (but not all) of the founders were Christians, and yes many felt they were somehow abiding by the will and judgment of providence.
But America's government is unflinchingly secular in its history. God isn't mentioned in the constitution, and religion is only mentioned when its being regulated.
Our first foreign treat expressly says that "As America is in no sense founded upon the Christian religion..."
Now that doesn't mean we can't have prayers. Doesn't mean we should, either. As always, we should try to balance the secular good and upholding of tradition with the rights of others.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Re: Meh, now you're the one oversimplifying.
May 5, 2014, 2:42 PM
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Well that clause is believed to likely be an addition as it isn't present in the Arabic translation of the treaty and was removed entirely from the later reworking of it. Not to mention it doesn't jive with John Adams (the guy who signed the treaty) who said "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
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110%er [5156]
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Not correct at all to say that it's "widely thought
May 5, 2014, 3:19 PM
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to be an addition."
The English translation, including all of Article 11, was passed unanimously by the US Senate under strict rules, and was printed in contemporary newspapers, with no public uproar.
Long story short, whatever treaty Tripolitania thought they were signing, the Senate, the President, and the US public read Article 11 in the form it's quoted today.
You're being either willfully dishonest, or (most likely) only partially informed.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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I thought you were joking at first but then I realized that
May 5, 2014, 2:03 PM
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you aren't and just don't know your history that well, which still gave me the lulz
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110%er [5093]
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They're not wrong, but Supreme Court judges are political appointees
May 5, 2014, 1:25 PM
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And the conservatives have a majority at the moment.
It happens. If a conservative judge dies and Obama is still on office the liberals will have the majority and vote the opposite next time this matter is raised.
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110%er [5156]
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I think that
May 5, 2014, 1:27 PM
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the case precedence regarding Higher Ed/Religious Expression is a tad more nuanced than you think it is.
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Orange Blooded [3245]
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Re: How did that conservative majority work out
May 5, 2014, 3:07 PM
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If Roberts is a conservative I am a mushroom.
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Roberts is a bought and paid minion***
May 5, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Heisman Winner [105574]
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Found him
May 5, 2014, 3:42 PM
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Not sure what type that is...probably a Japanese variety of some sort
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110%er [7390]
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Oculus Spirit [93673]
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You find, if you don't already know,
May 5, 2014, 5:43 PM
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most young in The Spirit seem to think the struggle against evil is without. After a decade or so of fighting against the 'air,' they'll learn their struggle against evil is a battle fought within themselves.
If you could communicate without attempting to insult those with different opinions and belief you'd enjoy the conversations more.
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110%er [5156]
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I haven't insulted anyone in this thread.
May 6, 2014, 8:07 AM
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Read again.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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this is actually what I think...
May 5, 2014, 8:26 AM
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"For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms." - Ephesians 6:12
That's why I try not to make it or take it personal. Man is not my enemy.
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Re: this is actually what I think...***
May 5, 2014, 2:16 PM
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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wow***
May 5, 2014, 2:19 PM
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110%er [5156]
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With respect, (and I mean that)
May 5, 2014, 2:24 PM
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it's stuff like this that makes it hard to be a Christian.
I can almost see having faith in difficult-to-believe events (resurrection, etc)...
I have a really hard time living life as if every move I make, every event in the world, and every word spoken is part of an intricate, never-ending battle between unseen armies of good and bad. To honestly believe that there are Devils and Demons and the like, manipulating people into bad things, well...
You seem like a very level-headed, rational person; the person who wrote that verse, though, does not. Just my opinion.
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Oculus Spirit [83625]
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fair enough...
May 5, 2014, 2:31 PM
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I think you are an intelligent, nice person as well.
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Re: You think the FFRF is the work of Satan?
May 5, 2014, 4:35 PM
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Uh - let me dumb it down fer ya'
If you ain't wit' us - den you agin us.
HTH
MERCY. lol sheeeeeett!
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It's good to see that you're still alive, drew***
May 5, 2014, 12:43 PM
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All-TigerNet [13190]
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I used all of my negotiating skills
May 5, 2014, 12:48 PM
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I'm fairly sure I just postponed the inevitable, but for now, all is quiet on the western front.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Even though I didn't feel it my place to interject my
May 5, 2014, 12:49 PM
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opinion into it, I did follow that thread on Friday with the utmost interest and had the feels for you bro.
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Much appreciated
May 5, 2014, 12:51 PM
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On a side note, we are going to have wills made today. I hope it's just a coincidence.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Ooooooooo
May 5, 2014, 12:52 PM
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get 'em done before the MIL gets in town fo sho then
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Re: FFRF is cooked meat at this point. Lashed by Supreme Ct:
May 5, 2014, 12:02 PM
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I personally don't give a crap about what FFRF or any of those non believer cults think or do. We Christians are going to pray regardless of what the FFRF groups, or the supreme court says or does. I give God all the glory each and everyday of my life, AMEN!!!
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Orange Blooded [3881]
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end of subject......next!***
May 5, 2014, 12:08 PM
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What does this have to do with the FFRF accusations?
May 5, 2014, 3:22 PM
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The court has upheld ritual prayer in government meetings for years calling it "ceremonial deism"
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Orange Blooded [2533]
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Dabo and coaches will be allowed to do the same unfettered
May 5, 2014, 3:45 PM
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and unharassed by FFRF. The door has closed on their complaint.
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CU Medallion [51547]
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Suck it, atheist ########.***
May 5, 2014, 9:03 PM
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