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The reality of COVID and football (and the rest of life)

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 8:24 AM
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COVID-19 is here to stay, folks. Wearing a mask won't make it go away. Time and the passing of seasons won't make it go away. If we delay football until spring, it'll still be out there. If we cease all large gatherings, it will still be out there. If everyone wears a mask - you got it - it will still be out there. With very few exceptions, all of the past pandemics we've dealt with are still with us. They're not so pronounced because we develop herd immunity, we develop vaccines, and = most of all - we accept them as part of life.

Now before any of you think that I'm insensitive, I know personally of four people who have tested positive. Three of them died. One was a 92yo woman who had myriad of other health issues and was rapidly declining anyway. One was a 70-something year-old man who was overweight, had diabetes, and other health issues as well. He lingered a long time and died a very painful death, and died alone due to hospital restrictions. Another was a 47yo friend who, to my knowledge, had no pre-existing health issues. He wore a mask every day. He was a nurse at a nursing home. The last, I didn't even know he had it until he told me last week. He had some appetite issues and that was it. His wife had it, too, and she had some taste issues and a cough, but otherwise was fine.

Point is, this is a virus. Viruses are a part of life. Most - including this one - don't just magically disappear just because they can't find a host. They're always out there. At some point, masks will no longer be required or suggested, and guess what - people will be testing positive again. We can hide all day long, but eventually, we have to come out. And when we do, people will catch it.

Remember when all of this started and the world shut down so that we could flatten the curve and lessen the impact on the health care industry? We did that. And with few exceptions in the US, it worked as planned. In fact, many hospitals ended up laying off employees because they had no patients! That passed. There is no curve to flatten. Hospitals are prepared and equipped. So why are we still in hiding?

For the vast majority of people who test positive, there is little to no impact. For those who do experience an impact, it is relatively minor. But for those who get it bad, it's very bad. That's what separates this from the flu and other viruses. When it's bad, it's really, really bad. Oh, and the media is reporting on it every hour of every day stoking fear that if you catch it you will die, which is simply not the case.

The world needs to go on. Vaccines are nowhere near ready, and when they are, we don't know how effective they will be and not everyone will get them (be ready for an attempt to mandate, however, and show proof of vaccination to do certain things). This thing is part of life now. So let us get back to our lives.

Oh, and about football - this has nothing to do with football or player safety. More players would end up losing playing time to injuries than to symptoms from COVID. Guaranteed. This is about liability. None of these conferences want to deal with the backlash of players testing positive, even if they're completely asymptomatic. And none of them want to deal with the chances, however unlikely, of one getting hospitalized. That's what this potential decision to cancel or delay the season is all about. Liability. Nothing more. So the big boys protect their billfolds while the economic impact of this costs billions of dollars and thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of jobs.


Don't be afraid to be objective

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 8:28 AM
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It is a refreshing attitude that is lost in this world.

Too many people are quick to take sides even if they have no idea on what they are siding with.

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Re: The reality of COVID and football (and the rest of life)

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 8:29 AM
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Very well said.


i only read the first two sentences....

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 8:40 AM
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COVID-19 is here to stay, folks. Wearing a mask won't make it go away.


100% SPOT ON.

the shutdowns, the masks, the hysteria did and is doing NOTHING to get rid of the spread...............slow the spread? probably, but it's delaying the inevitable. Herd immunity will eventually take over. IT'S NOT GOING AWAY.


It's all about liability!

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 8:56 AM
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The "powers to be" are worried they will be sued, and they don't want to take the chance.


Re: It's all about liability!


Posted: Aug 12, 2020 9:23 PM
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What’s any diff than the risks these players take every snap of every play ... literally risking dangerous injuries ... and ppl say we don’t know the long term effects ... seems like cte was a huge thing clearly from concussions and all and kids still choose to play knowing they could have potential brain damage later down the road ... like think about that. Kids have been given the opportunity to opt out ... the kids that wanna play should be allowed to play even if that means signing a waiver of some sort which like i said I think the risk of a football injury is worse than an 18-25 year old gettin Covid . It’s time to allow adults to jake their own decisions and deal with those consequences , it’s part of life


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:03 AM
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Spot on!

Reality is that places like NY and California that have never gotten off lockdown will accomplished 2 things:

Delayed people from getting it that eventually will and completely ruined their economies which will have a far greater impact on many people than Covid.

They have limited revenue coming in and will never be able to make up the shortfalls especially when they never look at cutting spending.

Our hospitals are EMPTY!

Time to live again


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:08 AM
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Thank you! Best thing I’ve read in weeks. Hit the bull’s eye right in the center!


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:12 AM
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Yep. OP gets it.


For whomever TD'd me

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:21 AM
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To what do you object? I don't slam those who wear masks - those at risk or it close and frequent contact with someone at risk probably should wear a mask - and wear it properly!

I'm not anti-vaccine and didn't knock vaccines.

You think we can get rid of it or that it will disappear magically in March (ironically, when it started here in the US, and remember when we thought the heat of summer would kill it?)?

You think the Power 5 ADs are looking out for the good of the players and fans and not just for their bank accounts?

I don't argue online. My time isn't worth that. Just curious what someone would find objectionable.


They are the Kevins and Karens who can't handle

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:52 AM
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a well-reasoned and truthful post. Don't let them bum you out.

(This post will receive a TD, as well, because it called them out and they can't handle rational thought).

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Nah, it doesn't bum me out. I don't get caught up in all

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:55 AM
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the TUs & TDs and internet drama. Just was truly curious what they disapproved of, but as my teen daughter says - whatever (I can't roll my eyes nearly as good as she does, though)!


I didn't TD you,

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 10:57 AM
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but I do have some issues with your post.

Masks, physical distancing, limits on gatherings, etc., are in place to limit the outbreak. It's correct to say the virus isn't going to go away, but it's incorrect to state or imply that there's no point to limiting the outbreak. Why?

*Because outbreaks---even this one---can be managed to limit human casualty."

If we manage the outbreak properly, two wonderful things happen: 1) we limit the number of people who die as a result of the outbreak, and, 2) we give ourselves time to develop treatments and a vaccine.

In any "normal" pandemic, we might see a dozen or so vaccines in development. Currently, there are over *three hundred* in development for COVID-19. Science hasn't seen this sort of unified push in nearly a hundred years (if ever). But even if a vaccine isn't available soon, we know that medicine can convert a terminal illness into a treatable one (see HIV/AIDS). There's more than one reason to be optimistic.

Look, we can absolutely say "eff this," and resume normal life today. It won't take an effective vaccine or treatment any longer to develop, as a result. But, given the choice to give up football for a season and put a piece of cloth over your face when you go to Walmart, OR kill another few hundred thousand Americans by contributing to the spread----personally, I think that's an easy decision.

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Re: I didn't TD you,


Posted: Aug 11, 2020 11:39 PM
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Well said and more accurate that the first post.


Re: It's not accurate at all.

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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 12:43 AM
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No, it's an oversimplification.

If all we were being asked/told to do was "put a piece of cloth over your face when you go to Walmart" it would be accurate.

But that's not all, is it?

Can you go to stores other than Walmart? Why not?

In fact, even though I wear the N95 every day, all we have to do is wear a totally useless mask. Why are we forced to wear masks that are proven to be 98.5% ineffective? Where's the "science" in that?

Personally I comply with all the suggestions because my customers appreciate my doing so. My business has boomed since GA/SC opened back up.

But I have serious compassion for those businesses and employees that missed out on 3 months OR MORE of income with little or no compensation from anyone.

Many businesses have no chance at breaking even in 2020, and it's only August. Some are hoping for a good spring. Many Clemson businesses have been barely hanging on for 6 months, and if there is no football they might as well close now.

Very few of the "play it safe" crowd understand how much they are benefitted by the small business owners who don't play it safe. And no, retail insurance doesn't typically cover closure due to pandemic nor loss to looters.


Amazing how it largely went away in most countries

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:42 AM
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That had good leadership. The USA is like a talented football team with a garbage coaching staff.

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:07 AM
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Feel free to explain why


Posted: Aug 10, 2020 1:31 PM
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I realize you don't particularly like cold hard facts, but I'd love to hear why.

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Link to your list of cold hard facts?

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 1:34 PM
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If pigs are so smart, why do 66% of them use weak and inferior materials during construction?


Re: Link to your list of cold hard facts?

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 5:05 PM
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4% of the world population, 25% of the cases. 1,000 Americans dying each day.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/population-by-country/


https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Those are cold, hard, facts.

We had a bad game plan, we didn't watch film, and now the scoreboard is ugly.

We got smoked, and it wasn't due to talent. It was coaching.

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Re: Link to your list of cold hard facts?

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 10:15 AM
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So many holes here -

1) We probably have more world travel in and out than anywhere else in the world.
2) We have tested way more than most countries and many of those "positives" are asymptomatic.
3) The numbers are political and monetarily profitable - look how many times bad counts - especially death tolls have been reported. I would love to be able to find 8-month averages of people who have died of cancer, heart disease, flu, pneumonia from previous years to this year. So many of these are simply being put in Covid 19 category.
4) We essentially have open borders and can not currently control in and out traffic like many other countries can.
5) Our population has an obesity problem that has contributed to the death toll.
6) Lastly, because we have the best health care system in the world we keep people alive that in other countries would of passed. This population is in the severe risk category.

And before you start, I didn't say we had the highest life expectancy, just that many people have access to medical care that can extend their life here longer than other countries. We still have many issues that lower our total life expectancy.


Re: Link to your list of cold hard facts?


Posted: Aug 12, 2020 9:34 PM
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That's because the rest of the world, mostly second and third world countries took their HCQ therapy and have breezed through covid like a hot knife through butter.

As soon as we start the same policy and get off the political agenda of anarchy, chaos and blame Trump, the sooner we too will be on that same path.

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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 10:01 PM
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this is so batshit crazy I do not even know where to start.

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Oh my goodness. Ignorant much?

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:14 PM
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Who are these countries where it went away? And what did the leaders do to make it go away?

NEWSFLASH - THE VIRUS IS CONTINUING TO SPREAD ALL OVER THE GLOBE.

Spare me mentioning an isolated and relatively small populated island in your "it went away" reply.

Maybe you were just joking?


Ummm, India says hello

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 10:05 AM
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Along with: Russia, Mexico, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Bangladesh, Iraq, Philippines, Indonesia, Bolivia, Ukraine and Romania. Are we really supposed to believe China only had 44 new cases?!!!!!!

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 11:39 PM
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So true.


EXCELLENT POST!

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 9:47 AM
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Wish I could give you more TUs

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It’s completely about litigation. Danny Ford summed it up

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:13 AM
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Unless congress grants immunity, we are going to struggle to do anything. The lawyers will feast off of this disaster. And don’t tell me they have to prove anything. It’s extortion and it works

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Re: The reality of COVID and football (and the rest of life)

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:32 AM
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It amazes me how many uninformed people there are on this site.

Read the SI article "At the Heart of It: Cardiac Inflammation the Next Virus Hurdle for College Leaders" and tell my why anyone should take the risk of myocarditis for one season of football.

https://www.si.com/college/2020/08/09/ncaa-cardiac-inflamation-coronavirus-myocarditis-concerns


Some Quotes

"Lately, physicians are identifying the condition in young, healthy Americans — including athletes. “The last month or two, even asymptomatic young people are developing myocardial injury,” Martinez says."

A college team doctor told Sports Illustrated on Saturday that he’s aware of roughly 10 COVID-related heart impacts in all of college football, many or all of them from mildly symptomatic players. While the number is a fraction of the total population, the potential consequences of heart injury are grievous. Myocarditis symptoms include chest pain, abnormal heartbeat, shortness of breath and, in the most serious case, sudden death. Already, myocarditis represents roughly 2-5% of all sudden death cases in American sports.


Wearing masks and distancing will not make it go away but it will reduce a lot of unnecessary deaths just like seat belts and air bags.


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:55 AM
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This is a good article and good information. These athletes could not be in a better place to be monitored for this than on their football teams. Some things jumped out at me from this article:

The virus "seems to have an affinity for causing damage to the heart." Seems to. We don't know that yet.

"Fear over myocarditis has reached the top level of the sport." Fear. The main thing driving all of the COVID actions, far beyond the science of it driving any of our reactions.

"Physicians themselves are still learning about a novel virus and its post-recover impacts...." We're still learning a LOT about this virus. For every known fact there are probably a half-dozen unknown suspicions.

"He acknowledges that the cases in athletes with COVID-related heart impacts are very small." Smaller than broken legs, concussions, dislocations, etc? How does this possible risk compare with all of the known risks in college football?

"Already, myocarditis represents roughly 2-5% of all sudden death cases in American sports." This is nothing new or unique to COVID. Because it is not new, it is something that all major sports programs look for and check for as frequently as possible.

"At least one college football player has developed an enlarged heart after contracting COVID-19." It is detectable and treatable. Worst case, a player in whom it is detected is advised to retire from the sport entirely, but that happens with this condition with or without COVID.

"The most recent conference medical plans include cardiac screenings under the return-to-play protocol." They're aware of it and have protocols in place to deal with it.

Again, we can't hide from everything. This isn't going to go away in the spring. It will still be here, therefore this risk will still be here, and it will be here next fall, etc. You can't be an athlete and avoid all risks. Shoot, you can't be a functioning and healthy human and avoid all risks. It's good to know that this is an element in the decision making process, but it's also good to keep it in context and know that it is not necessarily new, it can be detected and treated, and the condition itself is one that is very familiar to all sports doctors and trainers. It's no reason to cancel the season. Just a reason to be more attentive to this condition.


Nice post.. But to add...


Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:49 AM
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And I hate to be a pessimist..

But...

We may at all, at some point of another, get this virus and less than 20-40% might just die from it..

Until there is a FDA/CDC Tested and approved vaccine.... We as a Society have to adapt and adjust..

And that means LIVE SPORTS!!!!!(Fans optional)

#DumSpiroSpero...


Re: The reality of COVID and football (and the rest of life)


Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:19 AM
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Who ever said wearing a mask would make COVID go away?


So what do masks do again?

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:21 PM
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Get it under control? Really? Can you prove that? Even if it slows it, then what? Resume normal life? Yeah, that's the ticket. The guy succinctly and accurately said, masks may offer a level of slowing it, but the ultimate results are inevitable.

Neither N95, surgical, or cloth masks prevent the spread of respiratory viruses.

And, do you think the spread of the virus is solely caused by the ~ 30% of people not wearing masks?


Re: So what do masks do again?

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 11:56 PM
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Nebulous statements and exaggerations are all you have to offer?

Prove what?

Of course masks slow it and also sometimes stop the spread so people don't get the virus. That's the point until there are new treatments and vaccines. Slowing and avoidance is a good thing. If less get the virus then less might get sick and maybe die. What ultimate results are inevitable?

Who said masks prevent the spread(another exaggeration)? Not wearing a mask, etc., greatly increases the spread of the virus and its economic, health, social, entertainment, and emotional impacts. Masks do help slow down and stop some spread of the virus. Nothing is perfect

Another exaggeration - who said the spread is SOLELY caused by ~30% of people not wearing masks? All it takes is a significant number not doing their part to make things worse short and long term.


you goofed up


Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:38 AM
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You said both of these things:

"Masks sometimes stop the spread so people don't get the virus"

"Who said masks prevent the spread(another exaggeration)?"


you goofed up

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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:39 AM
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You said both of these things:

"Masks sometimes stop the spread so people don't get the virus"

"Who said masks prevent the spread(another exaggeration)?"


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:15 PM
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China ? where it went away ? asking for a friend

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Re: The reality of COVID and football (and the rest of life)

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:26 AM
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Well said. We can do a lot to limit the deaths though, like wearing masks and washing hands often. That said, I think everyone should be doing those things and we should open everything up as well and live our lives to the fullest possible. Have a football season etc.

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So wearing masks and washing hands


Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:33 AM
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would guarantee no virus spread in sports?


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:39 AM
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I don't accept your premise. Covid is not here to stay in Europe, New Zealand and other countries. Why? Because they actually took measures to shut it down, and they did. And they did it with a very simple formula: Socially Distance, wash your hands and wear masks.

In this country, we had no reliable testing, we didn't do contact tracing, there is/was no nationwide mask mandate and mostly conservative news outlets continued to press the idea that it's really blown out of proportion.

In return, we have 4% of the world's population but 25% of the world's cases and deaths. This countries response to the virus has literally been the worst in the world. The richest country on earth has been hamstrung by its own leadership.

There is STILL no national, comprehensive plan to address the Pandemic. Instead the federal govt. ducked responsibility and punted to 50 different states with 50 different plans. Unfortunately, the virus doesn't know state borders.

Now, it's very likely that we won't have football. You can thank Fox News, Trump, Limbaugh and all the other talking heads that have fought measures to contain it. This for ideological and political reasons.

So, while the European Union, S.Korea and other countries are returning to a normal way of life, we're still burying over 1000 people a day and 30 million Americans are out of work.

We are the laughing stock of the world because of it.


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It's undeniable

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:54 AM
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I have no idea how people can argue that the response was organized or taken seriously.

I think it could have been handled swiftly, but like a child, we put forth a half-hearted effort, and we are dealing with the virus months later.

I don't think the hysteria is warranted, but we have been flailing for months. We thought we would look like cowboys, but we look like idiots. The personal responsibility crowd is not taking personal responsibility. Because of the "don't tell me what to do" crowd, here we are.


Apples to Oranges

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:37 PM
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America is a lot different than Europe. We do things here, we like excess, we like freedom
and we think we know best, and some of us are still proud to be American. Putting that aside its just easier to do stuff here in the USA.

Just sports for example, how many professional spectator sports are there are in America?
Car racing for example spreads from dirt tracks to Talledega. Thousands of tracks
with millions of people wanting to watch every weekend. What do you have for car racing in europe? Monte Carlo?

Then there's other sports from bowling to the NFL. What's in Europe? Soccer?
How many stadiums here hold over 80,000 spectators, With every major college, pro baseball team, and the NFL that's more than a few. What does Europe have, one per country?

When you go to Europe what do you do? See old buildings, eat Spaghetti and drink cappuchino?
What else is there to do? Pretty easy to stay home because thats where they spend most of their time anyway.

Add to this is shopping, restaurants,every service and supply business you can name,camping, boating, fishing, beach combing, bar hopping and just generally getting out.
We are free to move about and we are good at it. Here everybody has a car. What are they gonna do here? Stop everyone at the state line with a road block? Car ownership in Europe is a luxury and
road blocks are easy because they dont have a lot of roads.

If you are in South Korea and they tell you to do something, you better do it.

Hard to quell a virus here, but considering what I just said maybe we are doing better than
we think.

If this virus and other factors ruin our economy, and our rights and privileges are taken away
then I can see us doing as "good" as Europe when the next COVID rolls around.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 4:57 PM
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LOL that post was entertainingly clueless.

When you go to the USA what do you do? See the grand canyon, eat Cheeseburgers and drink Bud Light?
What else is there to do? Pretty easy to stay home because that's where they spend most of their time anyway.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 1:30 AM
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Countries in Europe are free... Good gosh. Go to school and learn something. Plus talk Clemson football not covid. Posters might know a little about football but nearly everyone on these boards know next to nothing about the stuff they are talking about.


No sir. The virus is still active and here to stay in the EU.

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:36 PM
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The virus continues to spread and is seeing increased transmission rates around the globe. No majorly poluated country or continent has removed covid.

And by the way, New Zealand is an isolated island of 5 million people spread amongst 103,000 sq miles. Atlanta alone is a metro area of 9,000 sq miles and 6 million people. NY is has a metro area of roughly 7,000 sq miles and 20 million people. Kind of an apples and oranges comparison no? Hopefully you can see the fallacy in your argument.


Agree.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 10:09 AM
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Switzerland is starting to get hard again. Geneva the hardest. Plus there's a heat wave here and that's not doing anything to slow it down.

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Yep.

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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 4:32 PM
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The "get it under control and resume life" or "such and such country made it go away" folks are delusional. We have a choice - go about life with precautions, or don't. Turn life back on or stay completely locked up. One of those things is feasible and one is not. Halfway is nonsense.


Go outside. Go back to work, go back to school, and tee the ball up. Stop living in half a bubble and acting like it's gonna go away. There's no in between. No going to fricken Walmart and Home Depot with a mask and pretending like you're making it go away. Enough is enough. We can't live halfway and pretend.


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 11:57 PM
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Spot on.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 1:04 AM
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Hey, brother, no offense, but can't you read your own chart?

EU has averaged 4K new cases for at least 6 weeks now. In a pandemic THAT'S NOT GOING AWAY. Why does the isolated nation of New Zealand have new cases just yesterday after 102 straight days of NONE? It didn't come from overseas. It was there, had no active cases, and came back.

Why?

Because it's a pandemic, that's why.

IT DOESN'T GO AWAY.


Even if there was a legitimate conclusion to that chart


Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:47 AM
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What are you pretending others did differently?


So, it's official? Herd immunity is a thing?

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:44 AM
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Can you provide a definitive source?


I'm optimistic on T-cell memory

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 11:46 AM
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https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/08/reasons-for-covid-19-optimism-on-t-cells-and-herd-immunity.html



As definitive as anything.....

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 1:34 PM
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https://www.npr.org/2020/08/09/900490301/covid-19-may-never-go-away-with-or-without-a-vaccine


I looked at a lot of other articles as well, but this one, by NPR is a good one and I can't be accused of being a FoxNews groupie (which I'm not!) <img border=">


To this point, there are flu vaccines yet 60k

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:39 PM
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people still die from it every year. Who's to say a covid vaccine will even be able to match that number? Covid isn't going away.


By far the best post on this. Reality seems hard to

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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 6:09 PM
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convince on some people. Great post, sir. I sincerely hope this intelligent and logical post gets through to some thinking we can "get it under control and resume normal life", but I have doubts.

Time to go forward with life folks. Sitting here waiting on something to change and thinking we can "control it" is utter insanity and is slowly destroying the country.


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Posted: Aug 10, 2020 10:02 PM
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Good points.


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 10:44 AM
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I have a tough time understanding how COVID is such a large liability/safety concern but the brain injury issue seems to have gone away. I understand COVID can spread during football but it is not caused by football. Can someone even prove where someone got COVID? Did he get it playing football or at the grocery store? Maybe they can?

Meanwhile, there is considerable evidence that football causes structural changes to the brain. It seems to me that letting kids play football, knowing the data about brain injury, is considerably more negligent and a much larger liability concern. Yet, somehow, the COVID stuff is a much bigger deal to everyone.


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Posted: Aug 11, 2020 11:37 PM
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The world did not shut down and certainly the U.S. didn't. Because of poor leadership, denial and selfishness the U.S. was slow to act and has acted inconsistently. Things could be much better if we had cared and acted and left politics and personal interests out of this. Yes, the virus will be with us for awhile, but if we had acted quickly, earnestly, consistently and with conviction we would be better off now and better able to head to a new, temporary normalcy while the virus is still among us. Quit whining, wear masks, social distance, practice good hygiene. It is the 20 to 30% that won't do these things that are now the main reason that things remain bad.


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bparent said:

The world did not shut down and certainly the U.S. didn't. Because of poor leadership, denial and selfishness the U.S. was slow to act and has acted inconsistently. Things could be much better if we had cared and acted and left politics and personal interests out of this. Yes, the virus will be with us for awhile, but if we had acted quickly, earnestly, consistently and with conviction we would be better off now and better able to head to a new, temporary normalcy while the virus is still among us. Quit whining, wear masks, social distance, practice good hygiene. It is the 20 to 30% that won't do these things that are now the main reason that things remain bad.


Are you so blinded by political agendas to realize it wouldn’t matter one way or the other who our leader was at the time of the outbreak? Like any man, woman or whatever would have the power of an all mighty being to stop something such as this? Do you actually think the majority of these other countries have terrific leaders who new the magic moment to tell everybody to social distance and wear a freaking mask? Ask Chinese citizens how their government feels about them! Ask these 3rd world war torn countries’s citizens would they rather have leaders provide them with clean safe drinking water And safe living environments than a stupid COVID 19 test! Good grief man! Please stop with the political agenda BS! Absolutely NO ONE COULD HAVE PREVENTED THIS!

Throughout thousands of years mankind has been cursed with spread of malicious diseases and plagues. Guess what, it didn’t matter who the dammm leaders was! Anyone who relies a single individual or a single group of individuals to protect them only by saying “ wash your hands for 29 seconds”,“ stay at home (which by the way nobody did) and wear a mask ( which isn’t worn correctly most of the time anyway).

Your parents told you to wash your hands, the people were like told not to gather in large groups (how did that go with all the protest?), and Most people now are buying mask and wearing them more as fashion statements and not even covering their nose up instead of attempting protection by covering their nose and mouth! So who do we blame? Leaders or ourselves? Please, I repeat please stop listening to sheep and think for yourselves! Period!

In all seriousness, if it takes someone on TV to tell you basic survival techniques and how to practice good hygiene, it’s probably too late for you anyway.


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 8:43 PM
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It's not me I am concerned about. I know what leadership is. And for years there have been leaders who made a difference including heads of countries, states, cities, communities, etc., but you are in denial about these things. Leadership has made a difference in how bad pandemics have been for the Spanish Flue, Ebola, etc. Maybe you should stop listening to TV. The magic moment to wear masks was after being slow to act and before leaders have finally started to half-heartedly call for masks once their ratings in the polls began to fall due to inaction. You have all the reasons why things don't work, but no solutions and only cynicism.


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 9:47 PM
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bparent said:

It's not me I am concerned about. I know what leadership is. And for years there have been leaders who made a difference including heads of countries, states, cities, communities, etc., but you are in denial about these things. Leadership has made a difference in how bad pandemics have been for the Spanish Flue, Ebola, etc. Maybe you should stop listening to TV. The magic moment to wear masks was after being slow to act and before leaders have finally started to half-heartedly call for masks once their ratings in the polls began to fall due to inaction. You have all the reasons why things don't work, but no solutions and only cynicism.


Study shows that if you live in a bunker inside of a bubble, you’d be likely to test negative. There, I did my part to slow it down! Did I win? Let me know how things how were when you climb out of the bunker in 10 years!


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 9:47 PM
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bparent said:

It's not me I am concerned about. I know what leadership is. And for years there have been leaders who made a difference including heads of countries, states, cities, communities, etc., but you are in denial about these things. Leadership has made a difference in how bad pandemics have been for the Spanish Flue, Ebola, etc. Maybe you should stop listening to TV. The magic moment to wear masks was after being slow to act and before leaders have finally started to half-heartedly call for masks once their ratings in the polls began to fall due to inaction. You have all the reasons why things don't work, but no solutions and only cynicism.


Study shows that if you live in a bunker inside of a bubble, you’d be likely to test negative. There, I did my part to slow it down! Did I win? Let me know how things how were when you climb out of the bunker in 10 years!


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Posted: Aug 12, 2020 9:50 PM
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Time and time people have faith in men and time and time people are disappointed. That’s been going on since the dawn of time and it won’t change. I choose to not put faith in “leaders”


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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 1:46 AM
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Which is leadership?

A government that hides its disastrous research history and arrests its whistleblowers; underreports its caseload; commandeers millions of dollars in business assets in order to limit personal freedoms without regard to citizenship; (i.e., every person who entered the country was quarantined in a quarantine hotel foe 14 days); and just reported a fresh outbreak of BUBONIC PLAGUE in a rural province;

A leader who imposed a travel ban on non-citizens from China; naming a task force that gives daily briefings; refusing to wear a mask; delaying using the provisions of the Defense Production Act; talking in circles while answering questions; imposing a travel ban on non-citizens from infested Europe; eliminating red tape at all levels of government for 30 days.

Maybe it's marching maskless through your Chinatown congressional district in order to "prove" the coronavirus is nothing to fear; mocking anyone who told her the virus was serious; celebrated the financial shutdown by eating $8 ice cream on national TV;

Maybe it's requiring hospitals to send positive patients into nursing homes to recover, in spite of the fact that we already knew nursing homes were a primary outbreak center;

Maybe it's mayors who panic and close down their cities and ask the federal government to bail out their economies;

Maybe it's a governor who recommends using masks and following CDC precautions but refuses to allow mayors to close their cities entirely (but then gets called "The most autocratic governor in the nation" in a local publication);

Maybe it's a governor who arbitrarily decides which medical services are necessary and which home improvement products are essential while closing down her state during the spring planting season;

Maybe it's hiding out in your basement for months at a time and practicing using Zoom repeatedly until you get it right;

Maybe it's governors who impose restrictions on public worship like it's an extravagance but freely allow irrational public protests that violate all of the CDC guidelines;

Maybe it's a Supreme Court that encourages churches to install slot machines if they want more than 50 people to be allowed in the building at once;

Or maybe it's just a news media that's seeing record profits from criticizing all these other people.

I give up. Since you know so much about leadership, please enlighten us.


please name these magic covid leaders and cite what they did.


Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:49 AM
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You're just making stuff up buddy.


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Posted: Aug 13, 2020 4:59 AM
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I 100% agree with you. We need to open up completely. People still need to wear masks and wash hands often though. We need to open up though.

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