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TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 22, 2019 12:53 PM
 

 
Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

A small section of an ESPN article on Clemson coach Dabo Swinney's new contract caught some flack last week with a comment that he might leave Clemson if colleg Read Update »



Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 22, 2019 1:54 PM
 

I'm with Dabo. I'm old school and I think paying college players would be a huge mistake. Leave that to the professional teams. The system is fine. Leave it alone!!!! GO TIGERS!!


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Posted: May 22, 2019 2:13 PM
 

Back when I was at Clemson 62-66, players got "laundry money" I think $25.00 a month. Plus on away games they got $5.00 meal money. Remember you could eat good on $5 back then. Everybody got the same thing. Only way I see this working would be a system like that. Set amount weekly or monthly to help with expenses.


They already get that.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 2:29 PM
 

They get a check for "cost of living". For players at Clemson it's around $3,200 per year if I'm remembering correctly.

That's $266 dollars per month to help eat, buy clothes, do laundry, go to the movies, etc, etc.

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Re: They already get that.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 2:31 PM
 

No it's more than that. Players get close to $1,000 a month stipend; not bad


Not bad? That's fooking peanuts***


Posted: May 22, 2019 4:14 PM
 




How is that "peanuts" when their tuition, meals, training,

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Posted: May 22, 2019 4:23 PM
 

housing, books and tutoring are all paid for?

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It's peanuts relative to the monetary value they provide to


Posted: May 22, 2019 8:50 PM
 

the university.

We all like to act like we'd still support Clemson if the team were comprised of average athletes, but I simply disagree that this would be the case.

Imagine how entertaining football season would be if we had WRs running 5.0 flats and had QBs who couldn't throw the football over 30 yards...because all the talent was in some farm system for the NFL somewhere.

I prefer that the power and money stay with the universities, but that may mean certain sacrifices.


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Posted: May 22, 2019 2:47 PM
 

paying them is right up there with the portal, at one point there not really students and its just a business,


Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 22, 2019 3:20 PM
 

It's been a business where have you been living ? Under a rock?


Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 23, 2019 10:40 AM
 

It's not a business now? Why does Clemson pay Dabo over 9 million per year now if it's not a business? Why has Clemson spent millions and millions on facilities if it's not a business? Why does ESPN and the other networks pay millions per year to show the games? Why do advertisers pay in the millions to be part of it? Why are the fans charged so much to attend the games? Why are the making so much merchandise and charging so much money for it?


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Posted: May 22, 2019 2:49 PM
 

Well, now. I am a Swinney guy, but he is talking out of both sides of his mouth on this issue. He takes all the "entitlements" he can get -- free cars, or in his case trucks -- endorsements, club memberships, and then at the end, huge bonuses for doing what they paid him to do all year: win. (If he is paid to win every game, why pay extra for a NC?) In this regard the atypical college football coach becomes typical. His entitlements aren't entitlements, but earned. Their entitlements are, well, unearned, and by golly we have enough entitlements. I wonder how many of his poverty level African American recruits, who would know a thing or two about entitlements, would agree with the head ball coach?


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Posted: May 22, 2019 3:22 PM
 

Right I love Dabo but i don't agree with what he's saying here


The rowing team is pulling hard for football players to get

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Posted: May 22, 2019 3:40 PM
 

paid...all things equal right?

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Posted: May 22, 2019 6:37 PM
 

Also the fact that a majority of athletic departments would close the doors because of having to pay players is of no concern. People want to act like they care about the players but do some math and find out the percentages of schools that actually make money on football. I'd guess 90% of all universities with a football program use it to break even after funding male and female olympic sports. Let me ask you, what do you think those schools will do? They will close the athletic departments at those schools and after do you know the number of students who would no longer have an option of attending a university? We are talking thousands upon thousands of non-football playing student athletes who lose their scholarship not to mention the tens, hundreds of thousands of aspiring student athletes who will never get the opportunity. It's okay though as long as the 10% of universities that make college football what it is is still around. You never hear the list of things players already get though. Scholarships, free medical care, free dorms, stipends, Pell Grants for those that qualify, a 60 million dollar football ops center just for them, free plane rides to play all over the country, clothing apparel, shoes, suits among other amenities. It'd be easier to list the things they don't get for free. I wonder all the time how people just refuse to use common sense whether it is them refusing or if those people are just that dang stupid. I'm starting to realize it doesn't matter because no matter which one it is you can't help them.


Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 22, 2019 9:04 PM
 

This is simply an emotional, political issue - it is beyond facts and logic. Liberals, who typically can't care less for college sports or sports in general, see this as a straight up racial exploitation issue. They closely link college football with the old slave plantation system. Nothing short of pure professionalization will satisfy them. Like they've done to other institutions, they keep pushing for more and more changes until they get what they want, and they are fine with college sports as we know it going away altogether.


Will you stop speaking for liberals? You

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Posted: May 23, 2019 2:07 AM
 

obviously don’t know the first thing about liberals, other than the horse hockey you’re spoon-fed by Faux News and Rush Limbaugh. You can thank us liberals for paid vacation, the 40-hour work week, Social Security, Medicare (without which only the wealthiest seniors would be able to afford healthcare), and the elimination of child labor in the US. If you’re in the middle class, thank a liberal: the US barely had a middle class before the New Deal and the labor movement. And liberals are the ones trying to keep the endangered middle class in existence: the GOP most certainly is not. All the GOP has ever done is transfer even MORE wealth to those who already have an abundance; that latest tax cut, which was sold to the gullible as “job creation,” has instead been used for stock buybacks. No jobs created there.

And by the way, this liberal LOVES college football - as do many of my friends. Bottom line: you don’t know what you’re talking about.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 8:18 AM
 




More wingnut steer excrement.***


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Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players


Posted: May 23, 2019 10:25 AM
 

These student athletes ARE getting paid. Its called an education. Something far more valuable than, what, 99% of them will be able to make otherwise. The scholarships are allowing kids to go to school when they might not have had a chance without. They are allowing kids the ability to become more. All good things. Yes, some athletes will make millions when they go pro...but weve all seen what happens after they're out of pro sports. So dont tell me they arent getting paid.

I do like Dabos idea. Pay them a certain amount. They have to pay their own tuition, rent, food, etc. Once they have the money, use it for whatever you want....but you dont get any more. If nothing else, the smart ones will get it or they'll have to learn how to use it. Make sure there is a mandatory class to sign before receiving any money. Give them the tools to understand what is involved. Maybe then we get some realistic understanding of how the world works.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 12:26 PM
 

Scholarship athletes have to pay their own tuition?? Huh? I don't think so. I'm not sure, but I think that they also are provided meals, books, and free membership in a world-class gym. Not to mention national media exposure that enables them, if they qualify, to sign multi-million dollar contracts in the NFL. Probably benefiting to the tune of about $60,000 a year. Peanuts to a colleges student? I don't think so.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 9:11 PM
 

I agree. How is it fair that the NCAA rakes in billions...with a capital B...but the cogs that make the machinery work get the sliverest of slivers. Not every player gets a scholarship. Not every player goes to the NFL.

Maybe not pay players, but every player in every sport of every NCAA division school gets their college tuition paid for by the NCAA writ large.

The sport still stays amateur but athletes are being duly compensated.


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Posted: May 22, 2019 3:40 PM
 

Well,

They get a 135k education, a 1k per month stipend,
Food and supplemental nutrition is comped (600 per month), room and board (600 month).
That’s 5k a month to play football and that isn’t a bad gig out of high school my friend.

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It isn't a bad gig at all. But I can understand a

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Posted: May 22, 2019 3:48 PM
 

player wanting the chance to get more actual cash in all that. Especially when they see what the coaches are getting.

I imagine all of college sports will blow up eventually. They we will get lower quality, but actual armature players.

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Posted: May 22, 2019 4:08 PM
 

You forgot to mention free health care that with paying deductibles out of pocket would be close to $1000 per month plus free surgeries as needed. They get books, computers, and lab expenses covered.

Also add additional money for those living off campus, free additional tickets for family members and friends, free clothing, shoes, and suits. Add in all the free entertainment they get access too like bowling, putt putt, etc.

Then figure all of this is after tax money which im sure would come out to $200k+ annually. Then add the future value of the quality education which would be worth over $1m+ by retirement if they worked a normal professional job. Not mentioning the potential training to become a potential NFL multi-millionnaire. I feel pretty confident they are being compensated very well.


Oh, they get free healthcare when they blow out an ACL


Posted: May 22, 2019 8:53 PM
 

or snap a femur for the University...and the University PAYS FOR IT??!?!?! How nice of the University. That's practically a pension plan.


Re: Oh, they get free healthcare when they blow out an ACL


Posted: May 23, 2019 12:30 PM
 

They get free health care for anything.


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Posted: May 22, 2019 6:22 PM
 

This type of response is what cooks my grits. Obviously Gridfan doesn't know Dabo's story. The story where his mom had to live with him in his dorm because they didn't have money or the part where Dabo was a walk on and had to EARN his scholarship the hard way. Or the fact that Dabo worked his way from a GA to getting the richest deal for a college head coach. The people that want to bash Dabo never bring up the fact every player has the opportunity to do what Dabo did and REGARDLESS OF FRIGGIN SKIN COLOR. If a student, again regardless of skin color, doesn't have funds or lives in poverty then maybe that person should talk to his or her parents and find out why they screwed them. I get so dang aggravated by people acting like someone can't earn something. There in college they aren't suppose to be paid. Like other students they go to college to learn the tools needed to have a successful life. Also all those entitlements you speak of are apart of his contract, the contract he started earning the day he decided he was going to bust his ### to get to where he is. He didn't get a quarter of what these kids get today and Dabo's era is what made college football what it is with the beginning of the conference championships. You sound like a socialist. Want to kick a man because of his achievements. How about we use Dabo as an example of what doing it right and working hard can do instead of trying to bash him for earning what he got. How do you talk out of both sides of your mouth when he was in the position these players were in? Do you know what talking out of both sides of your mouth means? Just a moronic statement from someone who obviously doesn't know the Dabo Swinney story. How about you go look it up and do some research before you jump on here and spew nonsense. Obviously you're a virtue signaler though so I doubt be factual really even makes a blank to you.


Imagine a world where everyone worked hard and got


Posted: May 22, 2019 8:57 PM
 

exactly what they deserved. That's a great fairy tale.


Case is point...Tajh Boyd did more to elevate Clemson in the


Posted: May 22, 2019 9:02 PM
 

past 2 decades than really any other player. Yeah, he choked in some big games, but his arm is essentially what got Clemson back on the map in big-time college football and turned the heads of recruits...especially in the Peach Bowl in 2013 and the Orange Bowl in 2014.`

He got a free sociology degree and a lot of social connections...but that, unfortunately, doesn't pay the bills. Nor does it represent his contribution to the university in full.

Think about players like Tajh Boyd, Dalton Freeman, Tig Willard...who laid the foundation for success but weren't necessarily suited for NFL play...when thinking about these things.

I'm 30 years old and make around 6 figures per year...and not a thing of it has to do with any college education I received.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 12:41 PM
 

Great post. I couldn't agree more.If one has the right to succeed in a society, shouldn't a person have the right to fail? Laziness, ineptitude, and sloth are unfortunate facts of life. And the little rattlesnake that poses as a Brownie Scout and is a member of congress states that we (taxpayers) should give people who choose not to work a monthly check. Hey, let's all sign up for that. Free money! The problem is that nothing "free." Someone somewhere is paying for it. It's called reality.


The comparison of benefits for coaches vs players is invalid

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Posted: May 22, 2019 5:12 PM
 

... Players come with skills, no doubt ... but the coaches are the ones that have sport, personnel, management skills and a lot of experience among others life-coaching talents. Dabo is our head coach, but make no mistake about it ... he is shrewd and 'crazy like a fox'. He is the CEO of the football organization.

I've had a chance to speak with him briefly a couple of times and he is as sharp as any CEO that I've interacted with at Fortune 50 companies at which I have worked.

The real comparison of the benefits the players get should be compared to the larger student population. How many of those students would love to have the prestige of playing on a sports team, the free tutoring, stipend money, insurance, room and board, and tuition all paid for?

While at Clemson in the late 70's - early 80's, I was a non-scholarship player on the soccer team. I had $125 per month of my own money to buy school supplies, eat out on the weekends, go bowling and play video games at the Student Union, put gas in my car, and go on a date or two. For away games we were lucky to get $20 (if I recall correctly) meal money ... that was it. Oh yeah, and we ate at Harcomb Cafeteria just like everyone else.

The guys now have it good IMO. I think paying players would change the whole paradigm of players playing for the love of the game in college - and I think that would affect the popularity of the sport to a certain degree.


In all honesty

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Posted: May 22, 2019 6:17 PM
 

I would probably stop watching college football if they paid players a salary. I like the illusion that the players I pull for love Clemson as much as I do.

I maintain that people are passionate about college football because of the colleges not the players.

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Re: In all honesty


Posted: May 23, 2019 12:47 AM
 

I agree with you about loving the illusion of the players loving Clemson as much as we do, but if they create a minor league, and we get “less-stellar” athletes at the college level; I will still watch every Clemson game. Hell, might even enjoy it more BECAUSE they will be playing for the love of the game and University. If it affects ALL the colleges the same.... the game will still be fun to watch.

Before people post any knee-jerk reactions just remember: 75 years ago the best athletes were no always on the field, and people still loved football. A lot of great athletes were working farms, never discovered, or couldn’t play because of segregation. Football was still America’s biggest sport.

The comment about WRs running 5.0s and QBs only throwing it 30 yds is crazy. I ran a 4.7 and could throw a football 60 yds as a senior in HS and no big colleges sniffed me for a scholarship.


Re: In all honesty


Posted: May 23, 2019 12:44 PM
 

That's my point. Provided everybody is playing from a level playing field, it doesn't matter to me their overall athletic ability. If you want to get paid, go to a developmental league. Don't ruin college football for me.

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Re: In all honesty


Posted: May 23, 2019 12:52 PM
 

Playing college players=creating a mini NFL. There are reasons that I never watch the NFL.


Re: TNET: Swinney talks 'challenges' for NCAA in changing model to pay players

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Posted: May 22, 2019 6:25 PM
 

i have NO problem with what dabo said---the writers and that 4 letter network(that sucks most of the time)are just digging for anything with drama attached to it

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Posted: May 23, 2019 2:19 AM
 

https://twitter.com/YahooSportsCFB/status/1129496173620940800

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This is only a discussion bc Clemson won the natty and


Posted: May 23, 2019 8:28 AM
 

BC of the upcoming ACCsecPN network.And they are looking talking points bc Notre Dame and USC will have a large sucking sound and then Bama is not as stellar.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 11:00 AM
 

If they ever started paying the players a set amount of money per month, then I'm of the belief that the NCAA should try and work out a deal with the NFL to have them pay a good portion, if not all of that amount. The NFL benefits more than anyone from having the NCAA basically act as a minor league system for them.


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Posted: May 23, 2019 9:41 PM
 

I do believe college football players are exploited. In my opinion, it is wrong they cannot share in the revenue they help generate. It is also wrong athletes cannot profit at all from their names, autographs and images while their schools can.

However, the tricky part is how (and how much) players should be compensated. Whatever is agreed upon would not be affordable for all schools. Undoubtedly, some schools would still cheat by paying additional money.

Another question is what are the Title IX implications. That could be the nuclear bomb to bring the entire house down.

Bottom line: I don't like the current system but freely admit I don't have a better one to suggest.


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