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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Serious question
Feb 18, 2014, 11:19 AM
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I went to some baseball games when I was a student but I never got super into it as far as keeping up with things during off season/recruiting/internal politics and what not.
Why do people dislike Jack Leggett so much?
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Because he's a HOF coach who has won a ton of games
Feb 18, 2014, 11:22 AM
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and gotten us to Omaha a lot but has never won a national championship. That is unacceptable.
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...and he likes to bunt a lot.***
Feb 18, 2014, 11:30 AM
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Vijay says...Bunting wins championships***
Feb 18, 2014, 1:40 PM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Ha I see what you're getting at from the
Feb 18, 2014, 11:41 AM
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dumper's perspective, but in my mind getting to Omaha is hard enough and I'll take a coach that can do that consistently any day
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Re: Serious question
Feb 18, 2014, 11:23 AM
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I'm a casual follower. My impression from here is that the program has generally tailed off during his watch. I think there is also a feeling (not claiming it is real) that he doesnt recruit particularly well. Of course he walks the line between getting great players and losing them to the MLB draft. For a while a big debate existed here over him missing some local guys and getting guys from the north.
Again I'm ok with Jack but not a sunshine pumper for him. Just telling you my view of what I've seen here
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Style of play irks some people
Feb 18, 2014, 11:32 AM
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Bill Wilhelm played for the big inning and rarely bunted. Leggett's offense revolves around the bunt. Anybody in the lineup can bunt at anytime. Other criticisms of Leggett -- station-to-station baseball, ultra-aggressive on basepaths (run yourself out of some innings), smallish players (this is changing), not recruiting local (Clemson area players - Wilhelm didn't recruit them either. He didn't want parents getting on him), tends to "tighten up" team in big games/situations. I bringing Bradley LeCroy back to the program has had an extremely positive effect that will pay huge dividends soon.
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Re: Style of play irks some people
Feb 19, 2014, 8:37 AM
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Great post but Bill would bunt
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Orange Blooded [2847]
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Not nearly as much as Leggett
Feb 19, 2014, 9:43 AM
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You would never see Wilhelm's cleanup hitter bunt. I remember asking Wilhelm why he didn't sacrifice more. "Well, hell, why should I give them an out," he replied.
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That makes sense but I would hardly think that's reason
Feb 18, 2014, 11:45 AM
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enough to call for his head.
I've never followed baseball recruiting, and the way it works/the draft confuses me, but it seems that it'd be a whole lot harder to recruit in college baseball vs other college sports cause HS football athletes aren't being offered millions of dollars to forego their college career whereas good HS baseball athletes are. That seems like it'd be a hard sell for any coach.
I've always liked small ball, getting your players in scoring position makes sense in a lot of situations. I'm speaking generally of course
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Too many losses to coots, and doesnt do well in post season***
Feb 18, 2014, 11:49 AM
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He does do well in the postseason.
Feb 18, 2014, 1:19 PM
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He's only lost a home regional once ever. We have been very competitive in other team's regionals, minus last year. We have been competitive in the Supers. He has a respectable record on the elite stage, the CWS as well.
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Re: Too many losses to coots, and doesnt do well in post season***
Feb 19, 2014, 8:39 AM
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Doesn't do well in post season??? Did you really say that?
Maybe you should have said doesn't do well in Omaha
Niether did BILL but Jack has taken us there more than Bill did
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The same reason Carolina fans were wanting
Feb 18, 2014, 11:55 AM
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To fire Ray Tanner a couple of years ago.
Some fans have unrealistic expectations.
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Point for your "Disclaimers" - regarding your question
Feb 18, 2014, 12:08 PM
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Personally - I prefer to be totally random in my opinion of Jack Leggett. It can be based on the outcome of the last game, the phase of the moon or what I had for dinner last night. Occasionally alcohol affects my judgement - sometimes good, sometimes bad.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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So what happens when there's a
Feb 18, 2014, 12:17 PM
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full moon out, we just lost a game, you had a terrible dinner, and you're all slurried up?
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Re: Point for your "Disclaimers" - regarding your question
Feb 18, 2014, 1:07 PM
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Don't take this personal Tropical b/c its not. I believe in each to their own. And this is personal only to me and my opinion. But most everybody that I've ever met that was drinking, they should never comment to nothing that others do or not do. I may drink a beer on occasion, but I haven't ever had special reasons to drink alcohol. There are happy drinkers, and their are those that will always do their best to make others as miserable as they can when they drink. And there is nothing worse than a drinker that drives after they have that one to many and risk the lives of their family and every family that is own the road the same time as them. Personal opinion now, alcohol should be illegal in this country, period. I know there are many things that should be illegal in our country. But alcohol is the only thing that I know of that made/cause or what ever, made my daddy beat the absolute chit out of my momma. I hated that man up until my momma on her death bed, she said please stop hating your daddy, and he has been dead since 1963. That he was a good man when he wasn't drinking. I have forgave him, but there are many out there have seen the same as me b/c of alcohol. Nothing personal to you, but I do pray that you don't beat your wife or children when you have had to many.
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Some people don't like the fact he's a Yankee, others
Feb 18, 2014, 1:17 PM
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are frustrated that SCAR has dominated us recently.
Others are upset that we have not won the ACC often lately.
While others are upset about zero national championships.
Though, looking at things holistically, Jack has one of the best track records over the last 15 years. Holistically speaking, Jack is as consistently good as anyone else out there, now that Tanner is gone.
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"Holistic"?
Feb 18, 2014, 1:20 PM
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Did you just say "holistic"?
Bro, the yoga forum is that way ---->>>
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I'm sorry to hear that's your only contact with that word.
Feb 18, 2014, 1:24 PM
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...characterized by comprehension of the parts of something as intimately interconnected and explicable only by reference to the whole.
Consider it a "GRE word."
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Re: I'm sorry to hear that's your only contact with that word.
Feb 18, 2014, 1:27 PM
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Well not necessarily; I've looked into holistic practices extensively & gave serious thought to attending a school for said practices such as JFKU.
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Hall of Famer [21614]
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Looks very interesting.***
Feb 18, 2014, 1:34 PM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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GRE is a monster who judges your intellectual capacity
Feb 18, 2014, 1:39 PM
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and then spreads rumors based on said judgment to grad schools who are also judging you. Usually the monster forces other grad students to do the judging for him.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Ahhhhh see there for a second I thought you were
Feb 18, 2014, 2:25 PM
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talking about Gru from despicable me 
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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All valid points,
Feb 18, 2014, 1:21 PM
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although SCAR has been very very good the past couple years, same for the ACC.
I guess since I've never been more than a casual fan of it, getting into the super regionals consistently is meeting expectations for me, while getting to the world series is exceeding expectations
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My man 2012. As you know, I would love to hop in to this
Feb 18, 2014, 2:53 PM
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discussion, but I might need to do so via another medium; or else it wouldn't take long before I was sipping on a fruit drink and listening to Bob Marley
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Well in that case,
Feb 18, 2014, 2:55 PM
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please by all means dive in 
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110%er [7297]
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You know, that is exactly the kind of
Feb 18, 2014, 2:59 PM
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"what have you done for me lately" attitude that gets Clemson baseball fans in trouble.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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I know nothing of these "Clemson baseball fans" that you
Feb 18, 2014, 3:12 PM
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speak of.
I am simply required to maintain a certain level of meanness with coots. I've been slipping lately into friendliness, I apologize for this
But seriously I am interested in your thoughts since you keep up more with college baseball than I do
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110%er [7297]
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You have been slipping. You need to get your crap together!
Feb 18, 2014, 11:42 PM
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GWP can help. He is really good at it.
I tried to send you tmail but my dumb coot a** couldn't figure it out, so you likely either didn't get it, or got it 4 times. Sorry.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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HA thought you were joking then look up at the corner
Feb 19, 2014, 7:50 AM
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of the screen and see "3 new t-mails"
Did you miss the part in t-net orientation about how to send tmales? Contact bob about that
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110%er [7297]
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you mean I can address bob directly? I don't need an
Feb 19, 2014, 8:39 AM
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intermediary? cool.
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Yes but only very, very quietly. He's startled easily***
Feb 19, 2014, 9:21 AM
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That's why you can contact CC behind the scenes via
Feb 19, 2014, 9:21 AM
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tmale to avoid more bored confusion.
I thoughts thats usually how you do it anyways??
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110%er [7297]
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It's actually a pretty good deal for you Mr bob,
Feb 19, 2014, 9:58 AM
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you get back 3-4 tmails for every one you send!
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He ain't telling a fib neither***
Feb 19, 2014, 12:26 PM
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Revisionist history is why
Feb 18, 2014, 3:10 PM
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People love to get on here and talk about how wonderful things were under Whilhelm and how they have fallen off under Leggett. The truth is that Coach Leggett elevated the program to new height in his first 8-10 years and it has leveled off recently. Coach Wilhelm went to Omaha 6 times in 36 years. Coach Leggett has been 6 times in 19 years. The ascension of SC, NC, and UVa have also turned up the heat on the program.
People love to say he can't recruit but forget that he was the recruiting coordinator who signed Benson, Koch, et al. and signed numerous greats as the head coach including Baker, Greene, Greinke, Hermida, Boyd, etc., etc. The mans still knows how to coach and recruit.
Is everything the way it should be? No. Would I love to see things be better? Yes. We need to be playing at home in the postseason. Hopefully this year we will, but even if we don't, we still have a great coach.
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Speaking of revisionist history
Feb 19, 2014, 3:01 PM
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It was a whole lot harder to get to Omaha during the majority of Wilhelm's career because fewer teams played in the postseason. It's an apples and oranges comparison.
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Re: Speaking of revisionist history
Feb 20, 2014, 2:51 PM
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I would contend that it was easier if you made the tournament...fewer teams to beat, fewer chances to lose since the same number of teams made it to Omaha.
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Re: Serious question
Feb 20, 2014, 3:06 PM
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He is a great but not elite coach. He does not win championships(Conference or National) at a program that should be doing that.
I dont dislike Jack I appreciate everything he has done for Clemson. I also dont think the should be fired he deserves more than that. I do think he should name a HCIW and start to move in the direction of stepping down.
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