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New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:01 PM
 

 
Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

ESPN NFL Draft Analyst Mel Kiper, Jr., didn’t mince words Thursday when talking about the draft chances of several of Clemson’s draft-eligible players, but did say that he likes Ben Boulware’s chances as a third-day pick and that he thinks running back Wayne Gallman is ready for the NFL.
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Looks at stats and not game situations. Most INTs not on him***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:15 PM
 




How is that true?***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:09 PM
 



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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:15 PM
 

And I bet he thinks Lamar is ready to lead the Browns to a Superbowl.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:20 PM
 

Lamar may win Heisman because of morons like Kiper. Jackson is just another Johnny football type qb that will get hammered in the NFL. What a joke


So who threw to Williams? Hahaha***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:17 PM
 




Kiper is a moron if he is rating a guy that couldn't get the starting job...


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:18 PM
 

until his senior year as a first founder. And with all the teams needing a QB Watson is a guaranteed first rounder.

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You're a moron if you think Trubisky is a senior...***

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Kiper is right, Watson needs to come back for 1 more year***

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:19 PM
 



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Exactly! There is no other option. ******

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^^^THIS...a thousand times this ^^^^***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:46 PM
 



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Re: Kiper is right, Watson needs to come back for 1 more year***

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:10 PM
 

I agree 100%! Listen to Kipper, Deshaun...come back and get better. :)

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Re: Kiper is right, Watson needs to come back for 1 more year***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:16 PM
 

And talk Mike and Artavis into staying for their last year as well.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Kiper that DW4 is not quite ready for the NFL, given he spent so much time out in his freshman year. If he could play behind New England's offensive line, then yes, he could do it. But he will be drafted by a team that won't have an OL to protect him... he would be lucky to make it in the NFL for 3 years before a career ending injury. I think he would go in the 2nd round this year, but with another year of maturity, he's a top 5 pick.

That said, I would have a hard time advising him to come back to Clemson for his last year of eligibility... one cheap shot and all his dreams fly away.

I'm just looking forward to the privilege of watching him in his final two college games... he's already the best I've EVER seen... better than Unitas, Namath, YA, Peyton, Montana, Bradshaw... he's a phenom!

Go, Tigers!

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:20 PM
 

Refuse to read this crap.

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Kiper the same guy who claimed Jimmy Clausen was a...


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:20 PM
 

first round pick and would be a great QB. He rated Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning. And he was high on JaMarcus Russell.

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Re: Kiper the same guy who claimed Jimmy Clausen was a...


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:31 PM
 

And Logan Thomas who is now a practice squad tight end.

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There You Have It: WATSON needs to stay another year

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:29 PM
 

I am convinced

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This guy is a clown


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:36 PM
 

From the CNN School of Journalism ... yes, he's played a lot of Football in the day and really knows the game

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:41 PM
 

Lucky for Watson and the other Tigers, Mel Kiper is an idiot. Not sure what makes this guy an expert but he's wrong an awful lot.


Please tell me somethig..

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:46 PM
 

Why do we care what he says???


Re: Please tell me somethig..


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 6:35 PM
 

To borrow a line from "Dirty Harry", "Who is we?".

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:02 PM
 

Mel's a hack. He's selling copy, not accuracy. If being right was part of his job description, he would have been unemployed for the last 20 years. He'll say whatever, there are no consequences for what he says.....hack.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:46 PM
 

Obviously, Kiper did not read this SB Nation article, which proves that Deshaun's numbers in '16 are still amazing:

http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/12/9/13898158/deshaun-watson-2016-stats-interceptions-clemson

Go Tigers!


Hope DW4 has two brilliant playoff games for # 1 draftee

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 2:53 PM
 

besides I have $100.00 bet that he goes in first round.

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:09 PM
 

I understand Mel - you and booger pick Jake Bentley as the #1 draft choice... Dang dawgggs y'all are way too smart for me. up yours pal !!!!

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:12 PM
 

Does anyone think his Watson prediction will actually happen?

I had assumed DW was a lock for the 1st round.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:15 PM
 

Ask Auburn if DW4 and MW7 didn't blow the top off the offense right out the gate. And MW7 dropped two easy touchdown catches in that game. Well easy for him, and those turned into one field goal and a missed field goal. Those two torched Auburn. I would love to see DW4 come back but he should go pro. Whoever drafts him will not regret it. He will represent theat organization with class and out work and study harder than any one on the roster. Clemson was lucky to have him.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:15 PM
 

Show me one pick Kiper has been right about.

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:15 PM
 

I love how Kiper states that Watson isn't playing as well with the more interceptions, etc. Look at Mr. Winston's stats after his Freshman year compared to his Sophomore year. He redshirted his first year so essentially you could state his first year should be compared to Deshaun's Sophomore year and Winston's Sophomore to Deshaun this year.

Jameis Winston
2013 Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
Florida State FR QB 14 257 384 66.9 4057 10.6 11.5 40 10 184.8

2014 Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
Florida State SO QB 13 305 467 65.3 3907 8.4 7.7 25 18 145.5


Deshaun Watson
2014 Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
Clemson FR QB 8 93 137 67.9 1466 10.7 12.1 14 2 188.6

2015
Clemson SO QB 15 333 491 67.8 4109 8.4 8.6 35 13 156.3

2016
Clemson JR QB 13 329 487 67.6 3914 8.0 8.2 37 15 154.0


Don't get the hate for DW4?.......***


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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:24 PM
 

This roast of Kiper is hilarious... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvS8hHboniM

I quote, "Mel Kiper has no more credentials, to do what he's doing, than my neighbor... and my neighbor is a postman".

Kiper can go pound salt for all I care. Go Tigers!


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:24 PM
 

Mel "the Hair" Kiper? You know that head has never actually played football right?


What an idiot***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:47 PM
 




Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:50 PM
 

Oh, I get it he needs to run up to the publix and shout obscenities to the ladies and steal some crab legs and then he's the #1 draft pick. lightbulb on now - hmmm maybe he'd win the Heisman then too.

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YAY, the annual post where everyone

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 3:59 PM
 

opines how worthless Kiper's opinions are yet are still upset over what Kiper says.


Re: YAY, the annual post where everyone

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:25 PM
 

Yay, not ticked at Kiper, knowing he knows as much about football as I do about nuclear reactors. :)

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k***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:31 PM
 




Maybe DW should send him a case of 'Dapper Dan'...***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:23 PM
 

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Giving Boulware that "consistent"/"over-achiever" stereotype


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:41 PM
 

Probably will say something about Boulware being really smart too.

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 4:52 PM
 

Anybody got a link to where these jokers apply for jobs? I'm assuming the only requirement is the ability to talk in front of a camera?


See Deshaun, you should come back


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 5:21 PM
 

Wow. What a terrible assessment. I guarantee you he doesn't get past Buffalo in the 1st round.

If anyone gets DW4 outside of the top 5 they just won the franchise lottery.

How defeated would all ACC teams feel if he shocked everyone and came back for 2017? Haha.


Re: See Deshaun, you should come back


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 6:34 PM
 

^^^^Hundreds of coots just peed their panties. They were in their safe place and you're upsetting them with talk of another year of DW4.


Click bait headline. Never says DW4 isn't "NFL ready".***


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 6:33 PM
 




Neither does the headline.***


Posted: Dec 10, 2016 7:36 PM
 




Like I said yesterday...


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 6:42 PM
 

Kiper is the groundhog. Way too much credit for usually being wrong. I predict good NFL careers for Boulware and Watson. If anyone should think hard about returning it's Gallman. Tons of RBs coming out this year, and he could be the focus of our offense in '17.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 6:49 PM
 

Deshaun Watson will enter the 2017 draft and if he has any doubts, Dabo needs to sit him down and try to convince him to leave. But I don't believer it will come to that. You are talking about a star dual threat quarterback (who can definitely throw darts from the pocket) who has had back to back injuries below his waste. This guy is a competitor. A monster. He's the real deal. So another college season could very well end his career or at least derail it due to injury. He might get chosen in the first round but no way he makes it past the second round. He can get his money and help out his family. With the right organization he can be groomed to take the reigns and become a franchise player. All the tools are there including the most important, IQ. Take the money and play backup for two years and perfect timing routes, under center play action, and develop an understanding of professional defensive strategies. After that, this dude is going to light up the league like a Christmas tree. I haven't seen someone so calm under astonishing quantities of pressure as this young man. Some guys fold when you apply pressure, others focus. He's the latter and then some. Amazing time to be a Tiger!


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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 7:16 PM
 

While some of the 15 interceptions are not on him he is ultimately responsible for them. The fact that he could be baited into throwing them suggests there is still much to learn. Frankly, I am not sold on Streeter. Has DW gotten better since Streeter arrived? Nope.

Call me selfish but I do think another year would help Watson and Scott. It won't happen but I think it would help.


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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 7:20 PM
 

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On player evaluation, Deptula >> Kiper and McShay


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 9:06 PM
 

And it's not close.

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Opinions are like Kiper-holes,


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 9:21 PM
 

Everybody's got one! This guy needs to take his Eddy Munster hair cut and his rotary phone back to the 70's where he belongs!


It's much easier for RBs and LBs to be NFL ready. How


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 9:25 PM
 

many 3rd year college QBs have ever been NFL ready? Very few.

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 9:54 PM
 

Watson is about to go off in the next two games and go first round... keep sleeping noobs.


So Watson should come back for his senior


Posted: Dec 9, 2016 10:03 PM
 

Year. Twist my arm.


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Posted: Dec 9, 2016 10:16 PM
 

If Watson goes to the combine, something not thought of often, his run speed is going to be stunning.


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Posted: Dec 10, 2016 12:16 AM
 

I've been saying this for two years, yes he is a great asset to Clemson . That is not the reason, ( another year Watson@Clemson ) if Watson made the decision himself, not listening to so called analysts, BUT A FUNDAMENTAL DECESION WHICH HE ARRIVED TO TO THAT CONCLUSION.
Would Watson be a more confident, mature and prepared quarterback? I can't know the future although critical thinking for me would give rise towards that dynamic.
I do not know this Kilper guy, frankly I don't care . This is a valid question for me.


Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"

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Posted: Dec 10, 2016 1:16 PM
 

What about Leggett? They tend to forget about him

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Re: New Story: Kiper says Gallman and Boulware NFL-ready but Watson "not there yet"


Posted: Dec 11, 2016 2:56 PM
 

Leggett,
He is a player which can fill several positions 2nd or 3rd round, great presence of field of play. Gets to places on field seemingly unnoticed and when he gets the ball, instinctively knows where and how to get there. Amazing vision of field.


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