»
Topic: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game
Replies: 45   Last Post: Mar 19, 2019 9:57 AM by: jba6ch®
[ Tiger Boards - Basketball ]
Start New Topic
Replies: 45  

TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:14 PM
    Reply

 
Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

CLEMSON – Brad Brownell’s comments to the media following Clemson’s loss to NC State in last week’s ACC Tournament were short and to the point, with Brownell me Read Update »



That may be his problem

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:18 PM
    Reply

He waits until it dies down to address it instead of getting in the refs face.....


Re: That may be his problem

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:21 PM
    Reply

Doesn't matter. No calls of this type are ever changed.


Re: That may be his problem

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:23 PM
    Reply

But it may help on future calls / no-calls.

2019 orange level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpg

Re: That may be his problem

[3]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:31 PM
    Reply

Ha! Only if his name is Coach K, Roy Williams, Dean Smith, etc.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

True dat. But those guys probably did not always get the

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:34 PM
    Reply

calls. You have to earn that, so no time like the present to get started.

2019 orange level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpg

Re: That may be his problem

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:27 PM
    Reply

Bs the ref would remember before that crap happened again. And who give a s hit. What’s the league going to do fine him ? Grow a pair instead of scratching your freaking head


Re: That may be his problem

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 5:03 PM
    Reply

That is his major problem bc, he is afraid of getting a technical foul. But if he would take a few technical fouls, there wouldn't be that many flagrant bad calls bc the ACC refs would know that Brownell will not let them get away with without being called out, but he doesn't, and the refs don't hesitate blowing the whistle against players. You don't see Duke or UNCheat losing games in the final seconds bc of flagrant bad calls, the refs shake in their shoes thinking about making that mistake with those two coaches!!!

2019 white level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpg

Re: That may be his problem

[1]
Posted: Mar 19, 2019 8:32 AM
    Reply

Probably the single thing that Banes did that garnered him support was that he hijacked the officials and got in Dean Smith's face at midcourt and got ejected from a game or two for his work. Similar to Danny Ford at midfield vs Maryland that one time. Worth every penny in fines and every second of ejection.

If Brownell had gone off on someone even once in the last five years after some of the horrible calls, I know at least some of the people who favor firing him would be more favorable to keeping him.

But his Tommy Bowden-esque "Oh well, I'll just stand here on the sideline and take it." just sets him up for more of the same.

2019 purple level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpg

In fairness, the refs missed a goal tending call on Thomas

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:25 PM
    Reply

that would have put State on top by one with about a minute to play. That changes the dynamic of the last minute.

I wish we weren't making such a bid deal of the refs in the game. Bad form. Bad lesson for the players.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

You let your hate of BB

[4]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:29 PM
    Reply

Blind you to the reality of one of the worst officiated games ever seen. Period.


I like Coach Brownell. He seems like a really good guy.

[7]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:37 PM
    Reply

But, we didn't lose that game because of the refs. That's just another in a long list of excuses. Even if we win that game, we get curb stomped by Virginia and we end up in the NIT. I know you guys want everyone to believe it would have changed our whole season and gotten us into the tournament, but it wouldn't have changed a thing.

It's just bad form to constantly whine about things beyond your control as being the reasons for your lack of performance.

No more excuses.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

We sure did due to bad 1st half calls

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:43 PM
    Reply

getting Thomas in foul trouble. That's when BB shoulda got in their faces!


Re: I like Coach Brownell. He seems like a really good guy.


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 5:25 PM
    Reply

Refs are never going to be consistent from one game to the next. That's almost forgiveable.

Sometimes a ref crew will tighten up at halftime if they think they've been letting too much slide.

But the same refs should be consistent within the same half of play. Players at all levels learn how to adjust their play according to how the game is being called. A team that is known for tough-nosed but non-risky defense shouldn't have to be surprised by changing standards of physicality.

It bugs me that Brad feels that he has to use passive voice verbs when talking about his team and the officiating. I know, he's avoiding the fine, but passive voice is always risk-averse.

BTW, even if you throw chairs on the floor, Clemson's coach will never get the same deference of Coach Roy, K, Pitino or Boeheim IF YOU START OVER WITH A ROOKIE COACH NEXT YEAR.


The concept of time..


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:59 PM
    Reply

The last call did cost us the game. No two ways to slice it.


Re: You let your hate of BB


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:50 PM
    Reply

That wasnt even the worst officiated Clemson game this year, much less ever.

If that's the worst officiated game you've ever seen, then I'm going to say you havent watched much basketball, much less Clemson basketball. Officiating was the reason we lost that particular game


Re: You let your hate of BB


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:51 PM
    Reply

wasnt


You can absolutely say the officials cost us the game. That one

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 8:57 PM
    Reply

phantom call, at the end of the game, should not have been called, the shot was missed and went out of bounds. We should have had the ball out of bounds with 2 seconds to go! Game over...we win!

I'm NOT saying that cost us a bid, because the win didn't get NC State a bid!

2019 white level member

The calls on Thomas and Trapp were two of the


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:57 PM
    Reply

worst calls I've ever seen in any game at any level.

Didn't see the whole game, si I dont know, but I did see those two calls. Can't think of any worse then those. Clearly there were some shenanigans going on. Those two calls, and obviously the last one, did actually cost us the game.


Re: You let your hate of BB


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 8:37 AM
    Reply

Contrast the phantom call at the end of NCSU game in ACCT vs no-call mugging in drive at end of UNC game. We lose both on calls that probably should have gone the other way. Or if both had been called the same way (both no-calls or both called), we might have won one of the games. But it seems we end up on the short of the inconsistent calls far more often than other teams in the conference (which is probably just confirmation bias on our part).

2019 purple level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpg

Re: You let your hate of BB


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 12:36 AM
    Reply

I don't hate B.B. I think he is a lot like Mark Right. Good guy but average coach. B.B. needs to go find Dabo and let him teach him how to deal with the zebras. Dabo is a master.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:30 PM
    Reply

Brad looks worn out. Said the team didn’t even practice long. Tough season. Said too many close games couldn’t win...


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:35 PM
    Reply

HE ALSO COULD NOT BELIEVE HOW EMPTY LITTLEJOHN WAS 30 MINUTES BEFORE EVERY GAME HUH NCTIGS

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

MAYBE HE SHOULD GO HOME TO HIS BIG HOUSE ON THE LAKE

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:39 PM
    Reply

, WALK INTO HIS LUXURIOUS MASTER BATHROOM, AND LOOK IN THE MIRROR.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 5:46 PM
    Reply

nctigs said:

Brad looks worn out. Said the team didn’t even practice long. Tough season. Said too many close games couldn’t win...


IF your players don’t play well. If they make foolish mistakes and plays. If they don’t play hard and smart the loss is on the players AND coach. If the game is taken away from you that is an entirely different matter. Players AND players ONLY should decide who wins and who doesn’t!


But that's not reality


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 9:01 PM
    Reply

Not as long as three other humans are on the court


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[1]
Posted: Mar 19, 2019 12:40 AM
    Reply

The zebras are not responsible for pissing away 18 point lead.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 5:46 PM
    Reply

nctigs said:

Brad looks worn out. Said the team didn’t even practice long. Tough season. Said too many close games couldn’t win...


IF your players don’t play well. If they make foolish mistakes and plays. If they don’t play hard and smart the loss is on the players AND coach. If the game is taken away from you that is an entirely different matter. Players AND players ONLY should decide who wins and who doesn’t!


I will say one common thread in our losses are ...

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:32 PM
    Reply

"Brownell said he couldn’t find a common thread in the Tigers’ close losses this season."

... very, very long scoring droughts. Those are killers. Please recruit some more shooters Coach Brownell.

2019 orange level memberbadge-donor-15yr.jpg

Re: I will say one common thread in our losses are ...


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 6:02 PM
    Reply

That is very true tigerband but that is often seen in almost every game. Scoring lapses happen to almost everyone. I bet every coach discusses that with his players every week. But you are right. Our Tigers do it every game.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:36 PM
    Reply

They also gave Clemson the ball back on an out of bounds play when clearly Clemson knocked the ball out. I don't think the refs had anything to do with us losing. Lousy shooting on pour shot selection in the second half. Over 10 minutes of play without a score. You can't win playing like that. NC State didn't make it in either so the game probably didn't matter. NIT is where they belong.


When your starting guards go 7 of 30 from the floor and your

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:42 PM
    Reply

point guards shoots ZERO free throws, you probably aren't playing very well.

badge-donor-05yr.jpg

Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[6]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:38 PM
    Reply

If I was making the kind of money he is I would have been on sports center making my point for all to see and debate.

They’d think twice the next time or they would be exposed. I’m not a ref abusive guy but we have been taking it from the ACC refs for years especially against North Carolina teams in the ACC.

We have paid for ourselves helping the conference in football but the ACC has always assumed we’d take the abuse in basketball ?? it’s time to stand up.

Don’t get me wrong we need to play better and recruit much better but keeping us down doesn’t flush well with me. I’ve watched it year after year and I lhave lived in North Carolina the last 24 years so I know.

2019 white level member

“Let’s make the others want to be like us” Dabo Swinney!!
We’ll make it 4 fingers and two thumbs over the U of s_c.???????
This team is ready to grow, get better & peak the 1st week of January 2020!!
We will win our 4th National Championship at 15-0 making it 3 Championships over the last 4 years!


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 11:46 PM
    Reply

Agree. A $10k fine on a $1m pay equates to 1, yes 1% to pay stand up for your players. Crossing your arms, scratching your head and speaking in "code" words is very Tommy Bowdenish. At some point you reach the end of what you can do and get no farther. CBB appears to be a nice guy but an average coach who is over his head and a weak recruiter. A change (as we did in football, baseball, women's BB) should happen if we want to be serious about basketball. 7 years is a fair time to give a coach and only get 1 trip to March Madness. With a preseason top 25 after last year's run and with 4 seniors returning, we greatly underachieved. A team takes on the personality of it's coach...and that's were we are today.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 9:26 AM
    Reply

Plus 1, it couldn't be said any better, and it is the very same year to year!!!

2019 white level memberbadge-donor-10yr.jpg

This is Tommy Bowden "parity" level of cringe***

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 3:39 PM
    Reply




I'm gonna have to hear and read the word "cringe" in 2019


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 4:06 PM
    Reply

as much as RPO in 2018 and gravitas in 2013.


The results might be similar but

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 4:14 PM
    Reply

TB was arrogant and blamed everyone else. He made it easy not to like him. I genuinely like Brad and wish he could make it happen.


Brownell's comments were nothing like that.


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:29 PM
    Reply

Did you even listen to this press conference?!?

2019 white level member

Re: Brownell's comments were nothing like that.


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:37 PM
    Reply

I read what t net just posted did they lie. Walt


There's no need for anyone to insult CBB

[4]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 4:01 PM
    Reply

I've been as critical as anyone of where we are as a program, but I have zero doubt that Brad has given it his best effort and is a class act. I had sincerely hoped we were gonna pull it out in the ACC tourney and get that NCAA bid. However, we fell short. Pretty much every argument has been made on both sides on here. Nothing gained by recycling the same stuff over and over. Plus it's a bad look to continue bashing the guy and especially the team. I'm not sure what the future holds for CBB but I'm positive that none of us on TNet will decide that. So let's be real Tiger fans and support Brad and the team in the NIT. I'm still hoping beyond hope that this team can do well and finish on a good note.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 18, 2019 4:43 PM
    Reply

Our AD & Pres Clements ought to have his back. CU always gets the shaft from ACC. I’d love to take our assets to the SEC. Screw Tobacco Road.


Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game

[2]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:05 PM
    Reply

I agree that DRad and ZClements should be making their dissatisfaction known. They would if football was getting screwed and they also should do it for basketball.


Was DRad in on the conversations with the ACC re ....

[1]
Posted: Mar 18, 2019 10:52 PM
    Reply

... State game officiating - does anybody know? I agree - Brad should get his support on that..,,

2019 purple level member

Re: TNET: Brownell talks to ACC about calls in NC State game


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 4:51 AM
    Reply

We had a 16 point lead at halftime and it looks ridiculous to blame refs for anything-our poor play in the second half caused our defeat.


BB... stop whining***


Posted: Mar 19, 2019 9:57 AM
    Reply



military_donation.jpg

Replies: 45  

TIGER TICKETS

FB GAME: Season Tickets
FOR SALE: (2) tickets on Clemson side SEC:I ROW: NN, five steps from portal easy in/out $1250 each. Option to...

Buy or Sell CU Tickets and More in Tiger Tickets!

[ Tiger Boards - Basketball ]
Start New Topic
3319 people have read this post