Re: Hey Catahoula and Stubborn Tiger

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May 1, 2020, 11:13 AM

Catahoula said:

1. Yes, Clinton's campaign hired Fusion. Fusion basically operates as an investigative entity to dig up dirt on political opponents. Fusion was also hired earlier in 2016 by a conservative agency to dig up dirt on Trump, but pulled back once he locked down the primary.
2. Fusion didn't "create" the Steele Dossier; they hired Steele to investigate and compiled the contents. This is the disconnect you have here.
3. Yes, Clinesmith did, and if you recall, was dismissed from the investigation when his bias was discovered.
4. Absolutely the FBI botched that.
5. But investigating Papadopoulos was normal routine criminal investigation. The purpose of the investigation was to find if there was a connection with Trump and Russia.
6. What's unusual about this with the FBI or police?
7. They had a 2-year investigation--led by a Republican--that could not find evidence that Trump colluded but said Trump was not exonerated. In other words, he was found not guilty but certainly not ruled innocent. And it was confirmed Russia interfered with the election.
8. You don't know that about Mueller. He had a duty to do a thorough investigation and he did just that. Every American should want that if there's a risk of a presidential candidate working with a sinister government to influence our elections.
9. Who is "they"?
10. Yeah, a whistleblower came forward, and y'all all wanted him identified so his life could be ruined.
11. That doesn't matter. A whistleblower alerts of potential wrongdoing, and those alerted move forward with an investigation. This would be like you reporting something at your job. Now it's in your supervisor's hands to take it from there.
12. He said there might have been. The transcript and Mulvaney's comments confirmed there was.
13. That's not true.
14. Yeah, they held a valid impeachment trial that just boiled down to partisanship.

So what are you still claiming? A grand Deep State bent on bringing Trump down? Because the sinister, intricate network really sucks at it if that's their charge.

Thank you for responding.

1. Paying a company to dig up opposition research is normal. You are correct on that. THe difference is that the oppopsition research paid by Hillary was filled with RUSSIA disinformation and untrue accusations. This opposition research started a multi year investigation of the Trump campaign

2. Do you hear what you are saying here? They HIRED Christopher Steele. They are responsible for the BS Info that he dug up. I'm not sure about you, but I am responsible for employees that I hire if they screw up.

3. Sure he was dismissed, but it wasn't from altering the email. He was dismissed for texting "Viva la resistance!" Can't make this stuff up. Also, it doesn't matter if he was fired after the fact. The fact of the matter remains that he altered an email to make Carter Page look like a Russian Asset. That was used in the FISA courts to illegally SPY on the Trump campaign.

4. So we can both agree that they left out exculpatory information and misled the FISA court to illegally spy

5. The origins of the investigation were corrupt as hell. And he was being spied on internationally by other governments coordinating with the US. He was then entrapped and given 10,000 in cash. Do you think it was a coincidence that the FBI was waiting for him when his flight landed looking for the 10k in cash? Was it a coincidence that that is the most cash you can bring on a flight?

6. You don't have an issue with the FBI setting a meeting with someone and the purpose of that meeting is to get him to lie to get him arrested or fire? Otherwise known as a perjury trap.

7. This is an crazy assertion. So in other words he was innocent. There was a 2 year long investigation and they couldn't find evidence of collusion or conspiracy. Innocent until proven guilty right?

8. You are right I don't know for a fact that Mueller knew. I mean did you see him up on the stand? He was clueless about the whole #### investigation. But the FBI knew that the dossier was BS. I would assume that he was working closely with the FBI? But sure I will give you this one.

9. the "they" I was referring to is the Mueller investigation

10. This has nothing to do with my bullet.

11. It did matter up until a year ago when the policy was changed. IMO it does matter because any bozo could just make crap. But it is still true that he had 2nd or 3rd hand info. not a theory

12. He said there might have been? LOL. That was the whole deal. So a clown with 3rd hand info said there might have been a quid pro quo on the call and there was none? LOL

13. It is true. Read the manuscript of the call. Also the president of Ukraine confirmed he never talked about a quid pro quo. It was a "perfect call" as Trump would say. haha

14. Valid impeachment? I think not, but whatever.

I don't know why all of this BS is happening. But I do believe it is something more than Trump Derangement Syndrome. It doesn't make sense to me that high ranking FBI officials would risk losing their job and maybe even jail time just to get Trump out of office.

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1. I already addressed this with you but Hillary doing opposition research is standard practice. Nothing wrong with doing that. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
2. Ya that was a pretty poor document. Not sure about the part about the FBI knew it was fake information, you’d have to show me a legitimate source to accept that piece.
3. I think that’s true. Not a good look.
4. Ya they did, not a good look, I also blame the FISA court for not rejecting that.
5. Renewing doesn’t show anything different than number 4. Doesn’t point towards a conspiracy.
6. Don’t see the problem with spying on someone, and Id love for you to show me evidence of how they “pulled all the strings to get him in trouble.”
7. That’s kind of how many people get caught in their wrongdoing. You ever heard of an undercover cop? They set people up all the time and give them an avenue to commit their crime, then arrest them for it. They set up Flynn in the same way to either admit wrongdoing or lie to cover it up. Also would love to see evidence of where they directly said they would go after his son if he didn’t plead guilty. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
8. Nothing wrong with an investigation. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
9. Provide evidence that Mueller knew. You can’t, so doesnt point to any conspiracy.
10. Ya they moved on to Ukraine because there was evidence of wrongdoing. That’s kind of their job. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
11. Yes there was a whistleblower. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
12. Doesn’t matter if he didn’t have first hand or second hand information. If you think there is wrongdoing, nothing wrong with reporting it. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
13. The whistleblower was reporting what he thought happened. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
14. The claim “there was no quid pro quo” is an opinion. Some people think there was. However, even if there wasn’t, ok? Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
15. You’re somewhat right here, although they probably wouldn’t admit they felt pressure even if they did, because they want to stay on Trump’s good side and there’s no penalty for lying about it. Regardless, doesn’t point to any conspiracy.
16. Trump was impeached and was acquitted because partisanship. And so they had evidence of wrongdoing, investigated it, and nothing came of it. That’s how investigations work. Doesn’t point to any conspiracy.

So in summary you have some screwed up moves by the FBI in your bullets, but nothing else points to any “conspiracy.” They only look like a conspiracy to someone who is a nutjob that is already operating under the assumption that there is some kind of widespread “Deep State” out to get Trump. So ya your list isn’t convincing anyone, might want to loosen up that tinfoil hat.

Hey Catahoula and Stubborn Tiger

Good luck.